Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[kritter]

I rarely have time to watch TV at all. And every time I've turned on JK+8 lately, I've tuned into some high tension moment -- just not the way I want to relax. And where we stay for the summer, there is no TV. I catch up on news, etc. over the internet.

So...no, I don't regularly watch the show. And with the comments my DD has made about the show, I can't let her watch it either (except for the repeats of when the tups were little) But I don't regularly watch any show.



Repeat alert!: this is the same link I posted on the previous page:
http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/14070/2009/07/kate-gosselin-moving

Thanks, for the link!!!!!!

 

[redrosesix]

I can't talk about Kate anymore...She didn't listen to any of our advice re. staying closer to your kids. Maybe she's ticked that we've been advising Jon.

Back to Jon:

No, I think Ed Hardy is just tacky. I guess it falls into the urban chic...but that doesn't really fit Jon and Reading, PA.

This was posted on JustJared--

http://justjared.buzznet.com/

Is he at home? (if he is--about time!) Smoking in front of kids??

You know, I actually don't hate him in these pics. Sure, he's smoking in his front yard, but he has that "not taking himself too seriously attitude" that is much more endearing that the "I'm a stud muffin attitude".

and I just wanted to mention, I've seen him in front of the house, I've seen Kate with the kids in front of the house (some when Jon was there), but I've rarely seen pictures of Jon alone with the kids in front of the house. Jon, if you're reading: don't put the kids in front of the house where the paparazzi can photograph them. Play with them where they can have some privacy, even though it doesn't show you being Mr. Mom on your days with them.

 

[LoraJ]

There aren't pixs of Kate around the condo. Wonder what the source is????

Maybe the same source who says she is having an affair with the bodyguard.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

Maybe the same source who says she is having an affair with the bodyguard.

You think that is the bodyguard?? There, now we can really start a conspiracy theory!

 

[mousey]

Remember everything they do is for "the kids". I guess moving far away from them is another one of their "for the kids" decisions. All the freebies and trips are "for the kids" too! Talk about losers!!!!

 

[DVCLiz]

I occasionally dip into this thread to see what the general consensus is, but I'm not a regular participant.

What strikes me about the last few pages, though, is that clearly no one understands the legalities of a custody agreement.

If your kids "miss" you but it's not your turn to have them, there's no "dropping in" to tuck them in - and there might not even be legal access to a phone call. That time is specified as the custodial parent's - and that has to be enforced. I can see a lot of you already thinking, "I would NEVER..." but you certainly would if it were spelled out in a legal agreement. And it is entirely possible that there is some legal language in their agreement that specifies the non-custodial parent is to be off the property during the custodial parent's visit.

It's not a given that the non-custodial parent would even be notified in a medical situation - it depends on what is in the agreement. There's no actual language in my separation agreement that says I have to notify my former husband for any reason at all if it's my time with my children.

I know this is upsetting but people are so incredibly naive when it comes to separation and divorce. It is a bitter and ugly scenario and no one knows what the real story is.

 

[madge]

Maryland is an interesting choice no doubt. It also looks like her new pad looks like it is just as far away from the kids as Jon's home is.

So much for Kate being nearby, huh?

And I have to ask, are Jon & Kate single handedly trying to revive the real estate market? seriously? At the moment, they own:

1. the family home that they filmed seasons 1-4 of JK8 in
2. Jon's Utah condo
3. the current home
4. Jon's NYC condo
5. Kate's Maryland condo

I know, it's not unusual for celebrities to own more than one property .. but man, that's a lotta potties, LOL!

 

[OhMari]

Hmmm. Think Kate will have her apartment in Maryland because of Steve N, or other reasons?

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/07/28/kate-gosselin-maryland-apartment/

Rockville, Maryland? That's like 2 1/2 hours away from PA. What is wrong with J&K? Jon is living in NY and Kate is living in MD? I don't get it at all. There is NO way that if I were Kate, I'd be living that far from my kids on the off parenting days. Sorry but that is just plain ridiculous IMO. What if something happens to one of the kids? Do you realize what traffic is like in Rockville on the Capital Beltway? It's insane and if there were an emergency, it could take Kate hours to get to her kids. What if for some reason one of the kids just wants her because they miss her or are scared? Im so confused. What a couple of nit-wits.

ETA: Rockville, MD is pretty expensive too. I'm guessing that it's WAY cheaper to live in PA. Seriously, Kate what are you thinking???

Rockville is the furthest suburb north of DC. She shouldn't run into much traffic going back home, northbound. And she won't be traveling on I95, I think she has to get over to 83. We stayed in Rockville a couple of years ago when we went to DC. It took over an hour by metro to get to DC.

I wondering how much grumbling there would be if Jon and Kate stayed living in different parts of the house. So what difference does it make how far away they live. On their off days, they probably have an agreement that the other just can't pop in. It has to be arranged if they need to do something together. If there is an emergency, the parent that is home, has to take care of it. Remember when Jon took Aiden in to the Dr. when he bumped his head. Kate did not get home for that emergency. I'm sure if Aiden would of been admitted into the hospital, then Kate would of gotten there in due time.

I'm wondering if someone could answer this question if they have joint custody with their ex spouse. How are emergencies "really" handled.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Rockville is the furthest suburb north of DC. She shouldn't run into much traffic going back home, northbound. And she won't be traveling on I95, I think she has to get over to 83. We stayed in Rockville a couple of years ago when we went to DC. It took over an hour by metro to get to DC.

I wondering how much grumbling there would be if Jon and Kate stayed living in different parts of the house. So what difference does it make how far away they live. On their off days, they probably have an agreement that the other just can't pop in. It has to be arranged if they need to do something together. If there is an emergency, the parent that is home, has to take care of it. Remember when Jon took Aiden in to the Dr. when he bumped his head. Kate did not get home for that emergency. I'm sure if Aiden would of been admitted into the hospital, then Kate would of gotten there in due time.

I'm wondering if someone could answer this question if they have joint custody with their ex spouse. How are emergencies "really" handled.

Good points. I don't have a problem with where Jon or Kate have picked to live, as long as they are there for the kids when they are supposed to be.

I am glad Jon has ditched the EH clothing...for now.

 

[madge]

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I wondering how much grumbling there would be if Jon and Kate stayed living in different parts of the house. So what difference does it make how far away they live. On their off days, they probably have an agreement that the other just can't pop in. It has to be arranged if they need to do something together. If there is an emergency, the parent that is home, has to take care of it. Remember when Jon took Aiden in to the Dr. when he bumped his head. Kate did not get home for that emergency. I'm sure if Aiden would of been admitted into the hospital, then Kate would of gotten there in due time.

I'm wondering if someone could answer this question if they have joint custody with their ex spouse. How are emergencies "really" handled.

OhMari and DVCLiz make very good points about the custody arrangement. Is that something that's public record, that will eventually be known, or are custody arrangements sealed?

I just can't understand either parent intentionally moving that far away when it isn't absolutely necessary. Admittedly, I've never been in that situation, so I can't say what I would or wouldn't ever do.

 

[DVCLiz]

I'm wondering if someone could answer this question if they have joint custody with their ex spouse. How are emergencies "really" handled.

I posted a couple of posts above yours - about this very issue. My former husband and I share legal custody but I have full physical custody. There's really nothing - short of my sense of decency - that requires me to notify him of anything of an "emergency" nature. The only legal requirement we have is that educational and medical records are to be available to both parents.

 

[OhMari]

I occasionally dip into this thread to see what the general consensus is, but I'm not a regular participant.

What strikes me about the last few pages, though, is that clearly no one understands the legalities of a custody agreement.

If your kids "miss" you but it's not your turn to have them, there's no "dropping in" to tuck them in - and there might not even be legal access to a phone call. That time is specified as the custodial parent's - and that has to be enforced. I can see a lot of you already thinking, "I would NEVER..." but you certainly would if it were spelled out in a legal agreement. And it is entirely possible that there is some legal language in their agreement that specifies the non-custodial parent is to be off the property during the custodial parent's visit.

It's not a given that the non-custodial parent would even be notified in a medical situation - it depends on what is in the agreement. There's no actual language in my separation agreement that says I have to notify my former husband for any reason at all if it's my time with my children.

I know this is upsetting but people are so incredibly naive when it comes to separation and divorce. It is a bitter and ugly scenario and no one knows what the real story is.

Sorry, I didn't see your post, before I posted my questions.
You cleared up a lot of my questions.

 

[WaltD4Me]

I'm wondering if someone could answer this question if they have joint custody with their ex spouse. How are emergencies "really" handled.

I'm sure it depends on the couple and the nature of the emergency. A friend of mine had a rather bitter divorce several years ago, but they did everything they could not to drag the kids into it. When her little boy fell off his bike and broke his arm, she called her ex and he came to the hospital, when the kids have soccer games and events at school, they both go. They don't sit together or anything, but they don't do any of that "Sorry, it's not your time." I give them credit, they really work to put their differences aside for the kid's stuff. Then there is my sister's SIL, she wouldn't call her ex no matter what the emergency was, she doesn't speak to him and that is that. Neither have anything in a written agreement about emergencies that I know of.

 

[DVCLiz]

OhMari and DVCLiz make very good points about the custody arrangement. Is that something that's public record, that will eventually be known, or are custody arrangements sealed?

I just can't understand either parent intentionally moving that far away when it isn't absolutely necessary. Admittedly, I've never been in that situation, so I can't say what I would or wouldn't ever do.

Well, where you live is really immaterial since you won't be there onsite with your kids. I could move to the mountains or the coast and get an apartment if I wanted to spend my "off" weekends somewhere other than my hometown. (Assuming we had the same arrangement and we both moved in and out of the same house - something I would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS agree to, by the way!)

And no, there won't be any public airing of the agreement unless someone leaks it - I'm sure it will be sealed and it's a valid legal agreement so it should be kept private.

 

[DVCLiz]

Sorry, I didn't see your post, before I posted my questions.
You cleared up a lot of my questions.

Also, just for the record, I would never leave my former husband out of any medical situation - and I think he would say the same. I think we would both be on the same page when it came to providing support and comfort to our children during an illness or emergency. At least I hope so!!!!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Rockville is the furthest suburb north of DC. She shouldn't run into much traffic going back home, northbound. And she won't be traveling on I95, I think she has to get over to 83. We stayed in Rockville a couple of years ago when we went to DC. It took over an hour by metro to get to DC.

I'm from the area and can tell you that she'd most likely have to take the 270 spur to 495 (the Capital Beltway) and then take 95 north to 695. Those routes have heavy traffic during the week.

 

[DearDaisyinDurham]

Also, just for the record, I would never leave my former husband out of any medical situation - and I think he would say the same. I think we would both be on the same page when it came to providing support and comfort to our children during an illness or emergency. At least I hope so!!!!

You hope it is that way - but having lived it - having had a child in the hospital and the ex did not tell me - the SCHOOL told me AFTER the fact - some exes will go to whatever lengths they can to keep you out - even though they are ordered by the COURT to inform you. Sometimes that piece of paper doesn't help as much as it should if someone really won't co-parent.

 

[WaltD4Me]

I occasionally dip into this thread to see what the general consensus is, but I'm not a regular participant.

What strikes me about the last few pages, though, is that clearly no one understands the legalities of a custody agreement.

If your kids "miss" you but it's not your turn to have them, there's no "dropping in" to tuck them in - and there might not even be legal access to a phone call. That time is specified as the custodial parent's - and that has to be enforced. I can see a lot of you already thinking, "I would NEVER..." but you certainly would if it were spelled out in a legal agreement. And it is entirely possible that there is some legal language in their agreement that specifies the non-custodial parent is to be off the property during the custodial parent's visit.

It's not a given that the non-custodial parent would even be notified in a medical situation - it depends on what is in the agreement. There's no actual language in my separation agreement that says I have to notify my former husband for any reason at all if it's my time with my children.

I know this is upsetting but people are so incredibly naive when it comes to separation and divorce. It is a bitter and ugly scenario and no one knows what the real story is.

I totally understand and agree with what you are saying, but, Jon and Kate have said over and over, that everything is for the kids and if they wanted to, they could work things out so they can both be there for them. I'm not tallking about popping by or coming over to tuck someone in bed, but school is starting. There will be plays and sporting events and that kind of thing. What is wrong with agreeing they both can attend? Yes, that might not be in their agreement, but afterall, who makes up the agreement? They are not all the same. If indeed they are all about their kids as they have both stated, an agreement like this should be possible. My sister's SIL who won't even speak to her ex doesn't say anything about him coming to her son's baseball games.
First, the ballfield is a public place, what can she really say? And second, she knows her son loves it when he comes.

 

[DVCLiz]

You hope it is that way - but having lived it - having had a child in the hospital and the ex did not tell me - the SCHOOL told me AFTER the fact - some exes will go to whatever lengths they can to keep you out - even though they are ordered by the COURT to inform you. Sometimes that piece of paper doesn't help as much as it should if someone really won't co-parent.

Yeah, don't I know it!! I'm just going on past experience in other situations - and, of course, what I hope (which as you know isn't what always happens!!)

I will feel such an overwhelming sense of relief when my youngest turns 18 and this phase is over - it is a strain and a a drain to live under these circumstances.

 

[redrosesix]

So much for Kate being nearby, huh?

And I have to ask, are Jon & Kate single handedly trying to revive the real estate market? seriously? At the moment, they own:

1. the family home that they filmed seasons 1-4 of JK8 in
2. Jon's Utah condo
3. the current home
4. Jon's NYC condo
5. Kate's Maryland condo

I know, it's not unusual for celebrities to own more than one property .. but man, that's a lotta potties, LOL!

Re #3: the Utah condo, I believe, is a timeshare (pretty much all of the developments there are). Per week, the Canyons is about the same price as DVC, but many in Park City are far less expensive than DVC.

Re #4: the original story was that Jon was buying a condo in a Trump building, but now they're saying he leased an apartment in another building.

I posted a couple of posts above yours - about this very issue. My former husband and I share legal custody but I have full physical custody. There's really nothing - short of my sense of decency - that requires me to notify him of anything of an "emergency" nature. The only legal requirement we have is that educational and medical records are to be available to both parents.

Here, people rarely get full custody, but the same rules apply. On the days you have custody, you are the only parent. I know kids that have to have Christmas twice, 2 birthday parties, etc. because they're parents still can't get along well enough to be in the same room together. Whoever has custody that day is the one who attends games, concerts, and appointments. Ditto for emergencies.