Jon and Kate Plus 8 official Thread, Part 2!!

[MichelleVW]

I'm not grasping at straws. She has made many comments like that and I'm sure the children will have some weird feelings about it growing up. My DH was a "mistake" as his parents say and it still bothers him to this day and that is only said around family. He always says "why can't they just say happy accident". It bothers you when you feel your parents weren't ecstatic to find out you were on the way.

I have two kids. What does that matter? They put themselves out there to the public. They have to accept the good with the bad.

I think you are getting a little harsh with people that don't agree with you.

Oh good lord...your DH gets upset because he wasn't planned? A little sensitive huh? My parents had 4 kids, I was the only "planned" one and I'm pretty sure my brother and sisters could care less. My oldest was a major major mistake, and you won't find a child that feels more loved and secure in her life.

 

[Camster0307]

Quick survey...

Who has kids and how many do you have?

I have two kids.

And I don't think you're harsh with your comments at all. Then again, I usually agree with what you post.

 

[madge]

Yep. You don't think it was crazy scary for a young couple to hear they might have seven babies? And I highly doubt she said "Each of these possible children in a nightmare." I'm guessing it was a comment on the situation. Come on, now, let's not grasp at straws here.

I agree with this, to a point. I do think she was speaking of the situation as a nightmare.

but Jon & Kate have made comments about some of the kids, particular Mady, in the course of their celebrity. Again, not unlike things other parents make about children far away from the spotlight. just another one of those things that Jon & Kate deal with by putting their life out there.

Quick survey...

Who has kids and how many do you have?

I have 3 children

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

I'm not grasping at straws. She has made many comments like that and I'm sure the children will have some weird feelings about it growing up. My DH was a "mistake" as his parents say and it still bothers him to this day and that is only said around family. He always says "why can't they just say happy accident". It bothers you when you feel your parents weren't ecstatic to find out you were on the way.

I have two kids. What does that matter? They put themselves out there to the public. They have to accept the good with the bad.

I think you are getting a little harsh with people that don't agree with you.

My little survey has nothing to do with my response (hence the space between the comments). It helps me see where people are coming from. You have to agree that moms and non-moms see the world differently, yes?

So, you think Kate meant each individual child was a nightmare? You don't think she was commenting on the overwhelming situation?

I wasn't planned. My mom had lost my older sister and didn't know if she wanted to try again. Doesn't bother me in the least. She really wasn't ecstatic after my dad died and she was became a single widow. Guess what, I knew and know she loves me to no end, and that's all that matters.

I didn't realize we were sugar-coating now. This thread has always been strong-willed on both sides. You should know that. If I think something is questionable, I'm going to call you (the general you) out on it and see what you have to back it up. This is the way this thread has been for a while, if not since it started.

 

[DreaGirl]

I don't think my DH is being sensitive at all. I think he is expressing his feelings and being honest. A lot of people may laugh it off, he isn't one of them.

I do agree that people with children see the world differently. I must say though that after many years of teaching young children Pre-K, Kinder, I really don't see it that differently. I think someone that has never been around small children see things A LOT different after having children.

Kate makes many remarks about her kids that are going to sting when they see them when they are old enough to understand. It started with the nightmare comment, but every episode she says things that make me cringe for the children. This isn't her personal home video, this is international television that will follow these children for a long time.

 

[madge]

It just seemed like if someone, anyone, said such a thing it would make a great quote! Know what I mean?

which is why it's been mentioned on countless blogs and message boards. LOL

I have never been on any form of assistance but at a time like this when the economy is so bad and people are so harsh it makes others look at things differently. When I first started hearing things about J&K I was intriuged. Now I feel for them, good or bad.

not me. I'm mostly intrigued. I feel neither happy nor sad for them in spite of the commentaries I make on their life.

When people say things about them taking advantage of the system,. it makes me wonder. Aren't they paying a boat load in taxes on the house, their earnings, their "gifts"? That does mean they are paying back esp., because they are still in PA. Maybe, I don't know, she was depressed after having the kids and somethings just didn't come out right, maybe she really felt that she was not able to survive without the help. I think that there are more than two ways of looking at it.

spend any time on this thread and you'll see that

 

[DreaGirl]

I didn't realize we were sugar-coating now. This thread has always been strong-willed on both sides. You should know that. If I think something is questionable, I'm going to call you (the general you) out on it and see what you have to back it up. This is the way this thread has been for a while, if not since it started.

I think there is a way of saying things in a questionably way and saying them in an aggressive way. It's sometimes hard to tell the difference on the internet. If I misunderstood you, I'm sorry. That is how it came across to me.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

I have two kids.

And I don't think you're harsh with your comments at all. Then again, I usually agree with what you post.

If you can't take the heat...

And we all know this thread can get .

You've gotta come in here ready to back up your posts!!

I agree with this, to a point. I do think she was speaking of the situation as a nightmare.

but Jon & Kate have made comments about some of the kids, particular Mady, in the course of their celebrity. Again, not unlike things other parents make about children far away from the spotlight. just another one of those things that Jon & Kate deal with by putting their life out there.


I have 3 children

I agree, totally. DS3 is in a very tween stage right now. He thinks he knows all and is the big boss. I've definitely made some "Oh, he's so horrible today!" remarks, but mine don't get repeated five times a week. Well, not usually.

 

[DreaGirl]

I agree, totally. DS3 is in a very tween stage right now. He thinks he knows all and is the big boss. I've definitely made some "Oh, he's so horrible today!" remarks, but mine don't get repeated five times a week. Well, not usually.

I can understand that. I'm sure you are happy that it isn't broadcast to the world though, right?

 

[MichelleVW]

I don't think my DH is being sensitive at all. I think he is expressing his feelings and being honest. A lot of people may laugh it off, he isn't one of them.

The inability to be able to laugh that off is pretty much the definition of being sensitive. But that's just my opinion.


On to the question of children, as it says in my sig line, I've got 2.

 

[DreaGirl]

The inability to be able to laugh that off is pretty much the definition of being sensitive. But that's just my opinion.


On to the question of children, as it says in my sig line, I've got 2.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

I think there is a way of saying things in a questionably way and saying them in an aggressive way. It's sometimes hard to tell the difference on the internet. If I misunderstood you, I'm sorry. That is how it came across to me.

It was more of an exasperated way. You probably caught some residual sarcasm. Sorry if you felt attacked, it wasn't the intention.

 

[DreaGirl]

It was more of an exasperated way. You probably caught some residual sarcasm. Sorry if you felt attacked, it wasn't the intention.

I didn't feel attacked, I was just taken aback. Like I said, it's hard to convey meaning over the internet sometimes. No hard feelings.

Now if you were to insult something Disney related then we would have a problem!

 

[longstangetrip]

are you suggesting it was a set up in the article to make Kate look bad?

it wasn't a flattering article, but it was written at a time when (some) people in Pennsylvania were starting to get fed up with Kate's level of greediness. It started much earlier there than it did across the rest of the country.

I think this came from the Reading Eagle a local (Reading, PA) newspaper. They have printed multiple, unflattering articles about this family (3 or 4 I have personally seen), over the years. That is why I am surprised they moved back to the area around Reading. These are the same people who interviewed Kate (and Jon?) about state assistance for their family, then she demanded to retract her statements, but they refused. No, I don't work for the paper, own the paper, read the paper regularly, etc. Only passing along hearsay from people who are/were the Gosselins neighbors.

I think it is sad that Kate currently and consistently refers to her pregnancy news, pregnancy, and first year with her babies (actually beyond that) as "doable", "horrific news", "able to be gotten through", "nightmarish", etc. She also has said they would never do what they did if they could have seen the outcome. Which is fine to think and say to your husband, but I'm not sure your kids should be able to you tube it later, or read it in your memoirs. She tends not to refer to her big family as a blessing, amazing or even fun. The health of her multiples is amazing to me.

I understand she was hospitalized for overstimulated ovaries, told to go home and refrain from sex, to wait for another cycle, but chose not to listen. Is that irresponsible? I don't know. I don't understand fully the process or procedure, much less their feelings.

I am guilty of having sometimes taken my babies for granted when I had them, and boy do I miss babies and toddlers now. I hope the Gosselin kids think of themselves as blessings not burdens. All kids should.

5 kids for me (and sadly two miscarriages).

 

[eh24fan]

I just started reading their book, and in it they state that Kate was showing 4 eggs that month. They considered postponing the insemination, but they thought through the possibilities. They thought it highly unlikely that 3 would be viable, but decided that if it happened, they could handle it in their financial and living situation, though it would be tough, and that 4 was like a one in a million shot, so they decided to go through with it. They said that the injections were painful, and I imagine that they were pretty expensive too and not covered by insurance, so They probably felt like waiting another 2 months, having more injections and paying for them over a one in a million shot was not necessary...and then it turned out that there were some eggs that did not show originally, hidden like a previous poster mentioned.

Also, I'm giving Kate the benefit of the doubt here, but I don't think that she believed she was entitled to the nurse for those reasons. I think that she was just a mother willing to do or say whatever she could to provide for her children. I think she felt that her children were in need of the nurse and that they would be unsafe without her, so Kate said whatever she needed to to get it for them. While I think that lying is wrong and immoral, and that it definitely comes back to bite her in many online discussions, I can't say that I respect her any less for doing what she felt was in the best interests of her children.

I just finished the book and I think you are right on all counts. They didn't want that many kids and they went forward, fully expecting twins and maybe triplets. They never imagined there would be 6! I also don't blame Kate for what she was saying either. I think she was fighting tooth and nail to keep the one, consistent, qualified helper she had, other than Jon.

 

[eh24fan]

She was hospitalized for hyperstimulation. So, in my mind, I think they knew they were going to get at least triplets and went for it anyway.

Another thing that always bothered me about Kate is that she says when they found out there were 7 it was a "nightmare". Can you imagine hearing that when you are a tween? Your parents thought you were a nightmare?

I'm pretty sure she was hospitalized AFTER she had undergone the procedure, but I can't remember for sure. I just finished the book (audiobook) and I'm thinking that was after she was already pregnant.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

I think this came from the Reading Eagle a local (Reading, PA) newspaper. They have printed multiple, unflattering articles about this family (3 or 4 I have personally seen), over the years. That is why I am surprised they moved back to the area around Reading. These are the same people who interviewed Kate (and Jon?) about state assistance for their family, then she demanded to retract her statements, but they refused. No, I don't work for the paper, own the paper, read the paper regularly, etc. Only passing along hearsay from people who are/were the Gosselins neighbors.

I think it is sad that Kate currently and consistently refers to her pregnancy news, pregnancy, and first year with her babies (actually beyond that) as "doable", "horrific news", "able to be gotten through", "nightmarish", etc. She also has said they would never do what they did if they could have seen the outcome. Which is fine to think and say to your husband, but I'm not sure your kids should be able to you tube it later, or read it in your memoirs. She tends not to refer to her big family as a blessing, amazing or even fun. The health of her multiples is amazing to me.
I understand she was hospitalized for overstimulated ovaries, told to go home and refrain from sex, to wait for another cycle, but chose not to listen. Is that irresponsible? I don't know. I don't understand fully the process or procedure, much less their feelings.

I am guilty of having sometimes taken my babies for granted when I had them, and boy do I miss babies and toddlers now. I hope the Gosselin kids think of themselves as blessings not burdens. All kids should.

5 kids for me (and sadly two miscarriages).

I hear JK talking about how it's all for the kids, how blessed they are, how grateful they are for their health, etc. Then again, I prefer to hear those sweet moments than seek out the snarky ones.

I think when the kids are old enough to understand what all that means, it will make them grateful for all they ended up having. I know how hard it was for my mom raising me. She had lost her first child, then my dad was killed in a car accident on his way to the hospital to see me the day after I was born. I know it was a nightmare for her. We ended up moving around with my grandparents (grampa was still an officer in the Marines) before settling back home in Oklahoma.

When I think about all of the craziness when I was young, I am so grateful for all my mom did, what she went through and what she sacrificed so I could have a good childhood. I can't say that's how the Gosselin kiddos will react, but I would hope they see that, despite the difficulty of their conception, birth and the controversy, their parents truly love (and loved) them.

 

[OhMari]

To answer the survey question.
I have 4
and they grow up very fast.

 

[madge]

I'm pretty sure she was hospitalized AFTER she had undergone the procedure, but I can't remember for sure. I just finished the book (audiobook) and I'm thinking that was after she was already pregnant.

hopefully this link will work:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040602230954/www.sixgosselins.com/Story/

We decided that in October we would return for “round two”, but I got impatient (imagine that!) and went back in August right before our family trip to Disney World. August failed!

When we returned, we switched doctors and tried again in October…….That cycle was perfect! Everything went great! I was told I had 3 with a possibility of 4 follicles, and that was a great cycle! The only thing that made our doctor nervous was the fact that we were absolutely opposed to reduction and that we were concerned about multiples again. We prayed about this and just like our peace about returning in October f or this, we felt peace about proceeding. So we did!

Five weeks later, (after my hospitalization for over stimulated ovaries) we were at our initial ultrasound and learned the news. I will never forget this day as long as I live. There were seven sacs with four yolksacs, or babies in four of them. At the count of four, I was scared. At five I started crying and at six I was shaking absolutely sobbing. Jon had turned form the screen, he couldn’t look anymore. I have never seen him so close to tears in my life! The doctor “reassured” us by telling us E=We would talk about reduction. I pulled myself together and stared right at him and said “We’re not doing reduction!” After the ultrasound he called us into his office and tried to convince us that reduction was the thing to do. Again, we refused!

 

[brockash]

I just finished the book and I think you are right on all counts. They didn't want that many kids and they went forward, fully expecting twins and maybe triplets. They never imagined there would be 6! I also don't blame Kate for what she was saying either. I think she was fighting tooth and nail to keep the one, consistent, qualified helper she had, other than Jon.

I agree. I do hear her say how it was horrific news and terrifying, and somewhat of a nightmare, but let's be honest...who here wouldn't have the same thoughts if they found out they were pregnant with 6 or 7 babies??? I can't even imagine that kind of news, and I would be terrified. She's just being honest when she says this, and I think most ppl. would feel the same way. I also, however have heard her say on the shows how blessed they are especially with the health of the 6 and it's a miracle that they all are alive and healthy ect. Like I've said before it's very obvious that she loves ALL of her children very much, just like I do to my two. I think she's just being honest about the shock and the unknowing of how/if they could do it. And let's see according to this thread and the opinions of the Octup mom, if she wouldn't have said how terrified she was and was afraid of what she had just done to her other 2 children, she would have been delusional...so what would the "right" answer have been for her? I'm sure once the kids are old enough to hear and understand what it means that their parents felt like they had nightmarish news when they found out about the 6 that they'll be old enough to get what they meant by that and will probably think they would have felt the same way. I'm sure they'll know they're loved unconditionally and I doubt will even be bothered by it. I don't think I'd feel the least bit less loved by my parents if I found out they were shocked that I was coming and were terrified about it. I would know they always loved me/still do ect.