John Edwards chosen by Kerry as VP

Originally posted by cynsaun
There is a HUGE difference between an ambulance chaser and a defense attorney.

yeah, a personal injury attorney helps people who were injured obtain funds to provide the medical care they need because they'bve been hurt and the funds to replace the wages they no longer earn because they're disabled.

a defense attorney tried to minimize his client's punishment for a crime he committed (most of his clients are guilty of the crimes they've been charged with).


when I took products liability in law school I'd walk out of class shaking my head or with my mouth hanging open.

you may think that Stella collecting millions for hot coffee in her lap was ridiculous -- and I agree we need to reform our tort law -- but you live in a safer world because some personal injury attorney discovered corporate malfeasance in the manufacture of almost every product you use.

or do you still want to be driving your Ford Pinto on Firestone tires?



personal pet peeve:


I am a defense attorney. I work for an insurance company. I've been a defense attorney for 20 years.


I constantly read on the DIS posts criticizing personal injury plaintiffs and their attorneys. the hot coffee case is a real sore spot. no one blames the jury.

and all the people who criticze Stella nd her attorney are the same people I see posting about "how can I get out of jury duty?"

where are all you good people when we'r epicking a jury anyhow?
 
On another note, I find it interesting that the party whom claims to be helping the miniorities the most and fights for women's rights couldn't find a VP nominee who was 1. of minority descent; or 2. a women.:

Oh, but they could have. The problem is that the right wingers would so villify them that they could never get elected.


Has anyone anywhere cited one case that Edwards can be criticized for taking?

Actually, they can't. They researched hard and long in his Senate race trying to do just that and failed. Edwards had a team of medical professionals that did nothing but reasearch his cases to insure that they had merit before he took them.

So, the best they can come up with now is to say he only took cases that he knew he could win. :rolleyes:
 
exactly, peachgirl.

I've met some very scuzzy plaintiff's lawyers over the years. attorneys who know they don't have a legit case and who are trying to extort money from "deep pockets". Edwards isn't like them.
 
Isn't there an old saying...something about everyone hating cops and lawyers....right up until the point that they need one ?

:teeth:

And just for the record, Arabella, I, personally, do blame the juries just as much as (if not more than) the lawyers pressing those cases. There's another old joke that I think about when I hear of a case like the coffee spill....It's truly frightening that in those situations, your fate rests in the hands of a group of people too dumb to get out of jury duty :rotfl:
 

Originally posted by wvrevy
Lol....I just found this in an article on Salon and I thought fit pretty well here...Seems that Bush doesn't mind trial lawyers quite so much after all :rolleyes:
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In 1999, Bush sued Enterprise Rent-A-Car over a minor fender-bender involving one of his daughters in which no one was hurt. Although his insurance would have covered the repair costs, making a lawsuit unnecessary, Bush sought additional money from Enterprise, which had rented a car to someone with a suspended license. In this case, Bush seemed to understand one of the most important functions of civil lawsuits -- to deter further wrongdoing. The case settled for $2,000 to $2,500.
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Hypocrisy, as usual :teeth:

I love it!
 
Arabella Figg 2003, valid point about not blaming the jury. If juries didn't reward such suits, they wouldn't be filed.

I'm not exactly a Kerry supporter... in fact, it's unlikely I'd ever vote for Kerry for any public office. That said, I think Edwards was a wise choice for Kerry's VP candidate. He's about as clean as anyone in political office, and he shores up some of the areas where Kerry is considered vulnerable.

Some would rather see the worst possible candidates nominated from the opposing party to ensure vittory. Personally, I'd rather see the best nominated from both parties. After all, I'm still an American if my candidate doesn't win. If Kerry does win, he'll be my president just as much as George W. Bush is now.
 
Originally posted by Arabella Figg 2003
by the way, most lawyers do pro bono work. In fact, in some states, it's mandatory.

But I don't believe it's mandatory in North Carolina. And that's where Senator Edwards practiced. And I don't believe Senator Edwards did any pro bono work so perhaps he isn't like most lawyers. That may be a good thing. Now of course this factoid is pretty much irrelevant and is posted for informational purposes only. Pretty much like the Abraham Lincoln anecdote.

Just one man's opinion.

Richard
 
Originally posted by Arabella Figg 2003
yeah, a personal injury attorney helps people who were injured obtain funds to provide the medical care they need because they'bve been hurt and the funds to replace the wages they no longer earn because they're disabled.

I completely agree with a personal injury attorney helping people receive funds they deserve. I take issue with the MILLIONS of dollars above and beyond. Sure if someone is maimed, they deserve compensation, just not the funds to allow them to make Forbes list of millionaires.

a defense attorney tried to minimize his client's punishment for a crime he committed (most of his clients are guilty of the crimes they've been charged with). [/B]


As a defense attorney yourself, surely you know that a defense attorney's main objective is to make sure his/her client gets fair representation.


-- and I agree we need to reform our tort law -- [/B]


Exactly! Trial lawyers like John Edwards, however, are fighting legislation to reform our tort law.


or do you still want to be driving your Ford Pinto on Firestone tires? [/B]


Excuse me, but I am very well off, and I hope you are not insinuating otherwise simply because I disagree with you.


I am a defense attorney. I work for an insurance company. I've been a defense attorney for 20 years. [/B]


I am glad that you are a defense attorney working for an insurance company. Surely you see some of the frivolous lawsuits that are filed everday. I am also sure that you work to keep your company from paying a settlement or judgment for a frivolous lawsuit.

[/B][/QUOTE]where are all you good people when we'r epicking a jury anyhow? [/B][/QUOTE]

The only time I have ever been selected jury duty, we were moving from one state to another in less than a week. Sorry, but I couldn't serve on that jury. I can't speak for others, but I would gladly do perform my civic duty if called upon.
 
I'm not a criminal defense attorney, I work exclusively in civl law.

the primary rule of criminal defense work -- if you're not a public defender and your client is paying for your services -- make sure you get paid before the verdict is read, or you probably won't get paid at all.


when I interviewed at the public defender's office, I was told -- in all honesty --- "98% of our clients are guilty. your job is to get them into a treatment facility or program and get them probation instead of jail." I realized that if I worked there, my role would be more of a social worker than attorney. if I'd wanted to be a social worker I would have taken an MSW instead of a JD.
 
Just saw this story from Agence France....
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'Senator Kerry picked Daddy!' daughter breaks news to Mrs. Edwards

Tue Jul 6, 7:02 PM ET

PITTSBURGH, United States (AFP) - Elizabeth Edwards learned her husband would be the vice presidential candidate on the Democratic ticket when she emerged dripping wet from a shower and was told by her five-year-old daughter "Senator Kerry picked Daddy!"

Elizabeth Edwards recounted the story as she arrived in Pittsburgh on Tuesday with her husband, North Carolina Senator John Edwards (news - web sites), for a dinner with Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry.

Massachusetts Senator Kerry, who was in Pittsburgh, called Edwards in Washington to ask him to be his running-mate.

Edwards then called home to North Carolina to tell his wife.

"The truth was I was in North Carolina in the shower," Elizabeth Edwards told reporters as she was greeted by hundreds of supporters at the airport here.

"When I did get on the phone John had Emma Claire on the phone first," she said in a reference to their youngest daughter. "She said, 'Senator Kerry picked Daddy!'"
 
I am amazed at the ignorance of some of the posts that have been made here. Blanket statements about lawyers, about the effects of lawyers, and veiled attacks on the judicial system as a whole.

Every one of the hypocrites who have lashed out against lawyers in this thread would come running, screaming and begging if they, or a family member was injured by a defective product, and the company that manufactured the product knew it was defective, but placed it into the stream of commerce anyway. If you state that you would not want your damages covered, changes to the product made, etc. you are simply hiding behind the internet and posting a lie. So, it comes down to if its your case, lawyers are good. If its not your case, lawyers are bad.

When you buy a house, a lawyer looks at the paperwork. Since the lawyer helps you, that lawyer is good. If the lawyer for the other side puts up an objection, that lawyer is bad.

You use lawyers to your advantage. Because we have an adversarial system, it is very easy to generalize "lawyers are bad" since they are advocating for their cause, which may be against yours.

Finally, with regard to insurance rates rising due to med mal cases. It is HOGWASH! It is untrue, there is no backup for it, there is no support for it, there is no truth to these statements. Rates are rising as a direct result of the decline of investment income, which the insurance companies have used a balancing agent on their books.


According to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO), costs from
malpractice lawsuits represent less than 2%[3] of the nation's total health
care spending, and the tort reform legislation pushed by President Bush
would reduce health insurance premiums by less than one-half of one
percent.[4] While President Bush has claimed that lawsuits cause "docs to
practice medicine in an expensive way[5] in order to protect themselves in
the courthouse," a study by the Harvard University School of Public Health
"did not find a strong relationship between the threat of litigation and
medical costs." Additionally, a study in the Journal of Health Economics[6]
compared medical costs in states with limits on lawsuits to states without
limits and found only tiny savings - less than three-tenths of one percent.
In all, CBO reported "no statistically significant difference in per capita
health care spending between states with and without limits on malpractice
torts."[7]


the Bush Administration's recently-passed Medicare bill
specifically prohibited Medicare from negotiating lower prescription drug
prices from large pharmaceutical companies

Wow, sounds to me like big insurance and big drugs do not want reform of their systems, and, because lawyers are an easy target, lets use them as a scapegoat.

All tort reform does is take away one means of checks and balances. Society can be kept in check by government regulations....laws and regulations designed for thesafety of the citizens, dealing with products, standards (i.e. drug standards). The other way things can be kept in check is through the civil system, whereby companies, manufacturers, citizens will refrain from doing certain things as a result of the consequences they face. As a result, the judicial system provides the means to encourage people to act in a certain way, i.e. act with regard to the safety of others. When you institute tort reform, you damage one means encouraging people to act in a safe manner. When you take away government control, you limit the other means by which people are encouraged to act safely. With no means to encourage safe practices, and no penalties if safety is not important, injuries occur, and nothing is done to prevent their reoccurrence.

Ask yourselves why companies have safety programs........because it saves money. If there is no threat to a loss of money as a result of an unsafe environment, the saftey propgram would increase costs, and therefore likely be not implemented. Why do you have the bar near your keyboard for your wrists.......because the company does not want to pay the damages if something goes wrong with your wrists. If there was no means to enforce your rights, there would be no consideration to you health and welfare, because it would cost money.

Before you go and blame lawyers for all evils, you should really get your facts straight.
 
Excuse me, but I am very well off, and I hope you are not insinuating otherwise simply because I disagree with you.

um...the reference was to lawsuits that forced Pinto and Firestone to stop manufacturing deadly dangerous products, not a commentary on your personal financial situation.
 
deniis, I agree with most of what you wrote.

I also disagree with the need for tort reform.


there are jurisdictions in this country where, as soon as I see the pleadings I start getting out the proverbial check book.

I've got a case right now involving environmental pollution over a 50-year period. my insured never did business at the site and did not manufacture the offending chemical during the relevant time period. the plaintiffs included my insured as a defendant because it is a "deep pocket". it will be almost impossible in that jurisdiction to get my insured out of the case prior to trial. because the cost of pretrial investigation will be substantial I am inclined to make an offer to settle the case. all the while I will be biting my tongue.
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
um...the reference was to lawsuits that forced Pinto and Firestone to stop manufacturing deadly dangerous products, not a commentary on your personal financial situation.

exactly.

or maybe I should have said "roll over Suzuki" to get my point across?

what other dangerous products can we list that were recalled because of a few tort suits?
 
Originally posted by Arabella Figg 2003
and what is the basis of this opinion?

do you have any information to support this?


I didn't think so.

Thanks anyway for giving me an opportunity to respond. Which opinion are you referring to? That pro bono work is not mandatory in North Carolina? That North Carolina is where Senator Edwards practiced? That Senator Edwards didn't do any pro bono work? That Senator Edwards may not be like most lawyers? That my factoid was irrelevent? That your Abraham Lincoln anecdote was irrelevent?

Richard
 
I am glad you are well off. I bet you hired a lawyer to protect all of your assets in case your store hurt someone, or a product you sold caused injury. You, of course, would not want to pay for someone's injuries.

What do you consider a frivolous lawsuit?

You use the term as if it is a defined act. Tell me, what is a frivolous lawsuit?

Was the McDonalds coffee suit frivolous? The damages were reduced by the way, but, the real issue was the near boiling temperature of the coffee, that the store was handing to people in moving vehicles. Why is that frivolous? Simply because the driver should have known the coffee was hot does not make it acceptable to make the coffee hot enough to cause serious burns.

So, tell me what you think a frivolous lawsuit is?
 
A quote by John Edwards on 1/28/2004

Wednesday, Jan. 28, 2004
MERRIMACK, N.H. – Presidential candidate John Edwards on Wednesday rejected any notion of sharing the Democrats' ticket with front-running rival John Kerry, unless he is at the top.
Asked on NBC's "Today" show if he would accept second place on the slate to face President Bush in the fall election, Edwards said: "I think you've got the order reversed. I intend to be the nominee."

Edwards said he would not be willing to be No. 2. "No, no. Final. I don't want to be vice president. I'm running for president."

Looks as if both of them frequent the same eating establishment. I guess " No, no, Final means I'd love to be your #2. :rolleyes:

kerry_wafflehouse.jpg


Bill aka Slick Willy
 
And what precisely would you have had Edwards say to that question while he was still in the running? Ever hear of a sports team member being interviewed where someone said "yeah, I am aiming at second place"?

If you want to see how tunes change after primaries, you have to look no further than what Bush and McCain said about each other.
 


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