Jodi Arias Trial Part 6, starting with JM Rebuttal April 16

Is anyone watching Dr. Drew? ... Chris Hughes is on ... Why didn't JM call him as a rebuttal witness?! :confused3 ... I'm paraphrasing, but Chris said that the email said so much more than Violet testified about and she totally misconstrued it and she only focused on the one sentence where he wrote the word "abuse" ... He also said that further on in the email he even retracted the word "abuse" saying it was too harsh of a word to even use ... He also said that he and his wife threw JA out of their home in April 2007 and told her she was no longer welcomed there because she freaked them out ... Skye Hughes will be on the show tomorrow ... So many important facts the jury will never hear :sad2: ...
 
I have been following this trial since ja took the stand. I read here and Web sleuths but I may be out. One of my daughters best friends pulled out a gun during first bell this morning and shot himself. He is alive, in very critical condition. I don't want to let her out of my sight and I don't want her having any of this images in get head. Such a great, smart, volunteer, scout, with tons of friends. So many are hurting right now. He was just here Friday, before prom, and I can't bring myself to look at the pictures.

Oh no, how horrible. :(

It's not by chance this kid, is it?

Stay close to your daughter, she needs you right now.
 
I tried a few of the atkins, and they were so good and tasty. I like them better than the smart ones. Have you tried the breakfast ones? Are they any good?

I did atkins for 2 months starting feb 1st. lost 8lbs, 6 were in the first week (rest was bouncing around). I think my body hates dairy which I love. Love the new frozen meals, favs are chix Alfredo, beef and broccoli and chili. Liked the breakfast too but homestyle (i think) over the tex-mex. Not a fan of the one with sausage, would be great but the brand of sausage they use isnt good to me.

I still get the frozen meals but am going back to more paleo which is great and can sneak in a few adkins meals without dairy. Ill try anything at this point upcoming cruise is dec 14th fantasy. :cheer2:
 
I have been following this trial since ja took the stand. I read here and Web sleuths but I may be out. One of my daughters best friends pulled out a gun during first bell this morning and shot himself. He is alive, in very critical condition. I don't want to let her out of my sight and I don't want her having any of this images in get head. Such a great, smart, volunteer, scout, with tons of friends. So many are hurting right now. He was just here Friday, before prom, and I can't bring myself to look at the pictures.

Wow thats horrible, and hopefully he'll pull through. He must have been hurting and crying for attention to do this in front of the school. I hope and pray he's ok and will get the help he deserves. Hugs to your daughter from me. :hug:
 

I have been following this trial since ja took the stand. I read here and Web sleuths but I may be out. One of my daughters best friends pulled out a gun during first bell this morning and shot himself. He is alive, in very critical condition. I don't want to let her out of my sight and I don't want her having any of this images in get head. Such a great, smart, volunteer, scout, with tons of friends. So many are hurting right now. He was just here Friday, before prom, and I can't bring myself to look at the pictures.

So terribly sad :sad1: ... My thoughts and prayers are with the young man, your daughter and all those affected by this tragedy :grouphug: ...
 
I have been following this trial since ja took the stand. I read here and Web sleuths but I may be out. One of my daughters best friends pulled out a gun during first bell this morning and shot himself. He is alive, in very critical condition. I don't want to let her out of my sight and I don't want her having any of this images in get head. Such a great, smart, volunteer, scout, with tons of friends. So many are hurting right now. He was just here Friday, before prom, and I can't bring myself to look at the pictures.
Oh, that's heartbreaking. I hope he recovers. And all the kids who witnessed it, knew him, attend the school, their families...so far-reaching.
Is anyone watching Dr. Drew? ... Chris Hughes is on ... Why didn't JM call him as a rebuttal witness?! :confused3 ... I'm paraphrasing, but Chris said that the email said so much more than Violet testified about and she totally misconstrued it and she only focused on the one sentence where he wrote the word "abuse" ... He also said that further on in the email he even retracted the word "abuse" saying it was too harsh of a word to even use ... He also said that he and his wife threw JA out of their home in April 2007 and told her she was no longer welcomed there because she freaked them out ... Skye Hughes will be on the show tomorrow ... So many important facts the jury will never hear :sad2: ...
I've got it recorded. That whole thing about the email just irks me anyway. Wasn't it based on things that JODI was telling them?

The State vs Jodi Arias FB has the police report about the tire slashing. I hadn't realized that Travis had reported it. I guess the fact that she wasn't arrested for it kept it out of the trial.

Can you imagine if the jury convicts her on less than 1st degree and then finds out all this other stuff? That would devastate me as a juror, letting someone get away with 1st degree murder if I absolutely would have convicted her had I had ALL the information. :furious:
 
Uncle Remus said:
Oh no, how horrible. :(

It's not by chance this kid, is it?

Stay close to your daughter, she needs you right now.

It is. I haven't been online much today and wouldn't have seen that.
 
It is. I haven't been online much today and wouldn't have seen that.

Having things hit close to home so to speak regarding our children is so hard. The painful reality that something will most likely happen to someone you know at some point is a harsh thing to explain to them, and really, unexplainable. My daughters Prom date from her Sophomore year committed suicide and even though they were not close, just went as friends it really shook her.

Then not even a year ago, a coworker and lifelong class mate was murdered. It is still unsolved, and we live in a very small fairly quiet Oregon town. There is no reason, no understanding, no explaining. All you can do is just be there. There is no protecting them from the harsh evils in our world, and I still struggle with it. I honestly wrote to Nancy Grace and HLN several times hoping they would get involved in the case. There has never even been any suspects named or motive in the case.

I pray for peace for your daughter, and all those around and affected. True peace of mind and the ability to go on with their lives without fear ruling it.
 
Is anyone watching Dr. Drew? ... Chris Hughes is on ... Why didn't JM call him as a rebuttal witness?! :confused3 ... I'm paraphrasing, but Chris said that the email said so much more than Violet testified about and she totally misconstrued it and she only focused on the one sentence where he wrote the word "abuse" ... He also said that further on in the email he even retracted the word "abuse" saying it was too harsh of a word to even use ... He also said that he and his wife threw JA out of their home in April 2007 and told her she was no longer welcomed there because she freaked them out ... Skye Hughes will be on the show tomorrow ... So many important facts the jury will never hear :sad2: ...

:furious: I think about that all the time with the CA trial. I hope none of them have tortured themselves. It seems so unfair and misleading all in the name of "justice".
 
I did atkins for 2 months starting feb 1st. lost 8lbs, 6 were in the first week (rest was bouncing around). I think my body hates dairy which I love. Love the new frozen meals, favs are chix Alfredo, beef and broccoli and chili. Liked the breakfast too but homestyle (i think) over the tex-mex. Not a fan of the one with sausage, would be great but the brand of sausage they use isnt good to me.

I still get the frozen meals but am going back to more paleo which is great and can sneak in a few adkins meals without dairy. Ill try anything at this point upcoming cruise is dec 14th fantasy. :cheer2:

I use a plan from curves. I use the meals when I don't feel like cooking. My husband has lost allot of weight.
 
I have been following this trial since ja took the stand. I read here and Web sleuths but I may be out. One of my daughters best friends pulled out a gun during first bell this morning and shot himself. He is alive, in very critical condition. I don't want to let her out of my sight and I don't want her having any of this images in get head. Such a great, smart, volunteer, scout, with tons of friends. So many are hurting right now. He was just here Friday, before prom, and I can't bring myself to look at the pictures.

I am so sorry! I hope the young man pulls through. It makes it tough. We want to protect our children, but we can't be there every minute of the day. But it sure is a way to talk to your children about these issues. I know of a couple very well and they tried to talk there daughter out of marrying a man, but she stilled married him. That night they went to his mom's house and his mom came in and saw him sitting on the sofa with his head in his hands, and she went in the bathroom and there she was murdered. No explanation as to what ever happened. It was very sad.
 
I've got it recorded. That whole thing about the email just irks me anyway. Wasn't it based on things that JODI was telling them?

The State vs Jodi Arias FB has the police report about the tire slashing. I hadn't realized that Travis had reported it. I guess the fact that she wasn't arrested for it kept it out of the trial.

Can you imagine if the jury convicts her on less than 1st degree and then finds out all this other stuff? That would devastate me as a juror, letting someone get away with 1st degree murder if I absolutely would have convicted her had I had ALL the information. :furious:

Yes, Chris Hughes said he wrote the email after JA went to his home uninvited one day and started complaining and whining about TA and saying how he treated her yet she had a vision that she and TA would get married, blah blah blah ... Chris and Skye thought that JA was a whacko and were telling JA that she should leave TA because they were really just trying to protect TA from JA ... He also said that there was so much more to the email than what Violet summarized in her testimony ... That is why I don't understand why JM didn't call the Hughes' as witnesses :confused3 ...

I am so worried about all the things that the jury never got to hear about too :sad2: ... And I'm also starting to worry about the new Dr. the DT is bringing in on Wed. ... I was thinking today that the legal eagles have been saying that the reason the judge let this in or let that happen was to avoid possible grounds for an appeal down the road ... But, at least the DT gets the opportunity to file an appeal no matter what ... And if JA gets the DP, she gets an automatic appeal anyway ... However, if JA gets found guilty of anything less than 1st degree, or worse yet, acquitted :faint:, the prosecution doesn't get any opportunity for an appeal whatsoever because of double jeopardy ... That's it, it's over, no do-overs ... So I don't think it's necessarily fair to the prosecution that a judge may get swayed a little bit into letting things in or not just because they may be afraid of a possible appeal down the road, KWIM? ... ugh ... I just really hope the jury got all the evidence they need to render the appropriate verdict in this case ... I guess we will soon find out :worried: ...
 
Good morning peoples! We're getting closer! (*gives me an instant stomach rumbling*)

This is from The State vs Jodi Arias (below), about the woman JM put on Death Row (Wendi Andriano). One of the things that struck me, and that I had wondered about, is that the jurors discussed the fact that if they gave her LIFE, it would be up to the judge to determine what "LIFE" meant...LWOP, or 25 years to life. I had thought when we started following the Jodi Arias case that LWOP would be the alternative to the Death Penalty, but when I put the verdict/sentences in the First Post last week, it was unnerving to see that THE JUDGE determines exactly what "life" means. (Goes along with the concerns that Brit posted above...can't go to a higher verdict later on.) So, what I had wondered about was...what exactly do the jurors know going into deliberations about how the sentence is applied? KWIM? Do they know the whole process beforehand?

RE: Wendi Andriano case | Prosecuted by Juan Martinez

After they reached the guilty verdict, jurors heard a week of testimony on why Andriano should be executed, the aggravating factors that go into a death penalty decision.

They deliberated for four hours before finding the slaying was especially cruel, qualifying her for the death sentence.

They then heard six days of testimony on mitigating factors, reasons her life should be spared.

They gathered in the jury room Dec. 16 to consider whether there were reasons for sparing Andriano's life.

It took four days.

The sometimes-heated deliberations dramatically changed the case's outcome, with a split jury gradually shifting toward the death verdict.

When the deliberations began, the nine women and three men took a vote. Only three supported a death sentence, with four favoring a life sentence and the others undecided, said juror Mary Fobes, 74, of Mesa.

Catalano said he wasn't sure.

"I still hadn't made up my mind. I was giving her the benefit of the doubt," he said.

After one day, the jury went home for a three-day weekend that some called full of soul searching.

When they reconvened, Catalano gave a pivotal speech outlining his reasons for supporting a death sentence, and the vote swung to 11-1 in favor of execution, Fobes said.

"It was very passionate on why he thought she deserved the death penalty," Fobes said. "The more I thought about it, how could she be so brutal? She must have totally flipped her wig. I don't know how anyone could do that."

But the jury was on the verge of a deadlock, with one holdout, a senior citizen from Gilbert, saying he was adamantly against the death penalty.

On the third day of deliberations, jurors took turns discussing each of 23 reasons listed by the defense for sparing Andriano's life, the mitigating factors, weighing whether they were sufficient cause for leniency.

They included that Andriano was a good mother to her children and had signed up at age 19 for missionary work when in Mexicali, Mexico, for the 91st Psalm Church, now the Harvest Family Church in Casa Grande.

Catalano said he gave all the mitigating factors some weight, but in the end, they were not enough.

"Does a good mother brutally murder her husband?" he said.

Percy said she also considered the arguments against execution, but on balance, "we could not find mitigating factors that overwhelmed the cruelty. To me, to everybody there, the knife wound was the crowning blow. She had three chances to back off."

While jurors were discussing whether to execute Andriano, they considered that they would have no control over whether the trial judge, Brian Ishikawa, would give her life in prison with or without parole, she said.

Jurors did not want to see a 25 years to life sentence.

"We also knew with the death penalty that she has an automatic appeal," Percy said.

Different parts of the case resonated with jurors. Some said they were moved by Andriano's plea for life during the mitigation phase on Dec. 16, just before the final deliberations, while others considered it an Academy Award acting job.

"I just thought, 'What an act you're putting on, honey,' " Fobes said. "She was such a liar. How could you believe anything she told you?"

The emotional impact of Andriano's 45-minute plea, in which she admitting making "a horrible choice that night" but insisted her cancer-stricken husband wanted to commit suicide, may have waned as days passed and jurors focused on the details of the case, Fobes said.

Erke was moved.

"Her speech was heartfelt. It teared me up," he said. But "I thought she was more sorry for the consequences of what she did than for the actions."

Others cited a videotape recording of the police interview with Andriano, only a few hours after the murder, as among the most incriminating evidence. The tape showed a relaxed Andriano talking to a Phoenix police detective, casually holding her knees against her chest.

"I can't imagine being so calm and collected and having no emotions," Percy said. "She never cried, she never asked about her kids, she seemed flirtatious."

As the third day of deliberations ended, Fobes said she told the holdout juror, a Gilbert senior citizen, "Wendi has manipulated you. He said, 'Yes, I know.' "

The next day, the holdout gave a short speech saying he changed his mind. He declined two requests for an interview.

The jury delivered the death penalty verdict Dec. 22.

"Walking in there with that verdict, I was shaking like a leaf," Erke said, the daunting power of deciding if someone lives or dies overwhelming him. "It's 'Oh, my God, it's really happened.' "

Most are still mulling over their decision, but only one juror, a young nurse, expressed doubts.

"Sometimes, I think I'm too hard-hearted," Fobes said. "But she didn't feel any sympathy for him (the husband)."

Percy said a telling look from Andriano was reassuring after a clerk read the verdict.

"She gave us a look like, 'How dare you?' " Percy said. "I thought, 'I made the right decision.' "
 
Good morning peoples! We're getting closer! (*gives me an instant stomach rumbling*)

This is from The State vs Jodi Arias (below), about the woman JM put on Death Row (Wendi Andriano). One of the things that struck me, and that I had wondered about, is that the jurors discussed the fact that if they gave her LIFE, it would be up to the judge to determine what "LIFE" meant...LWOP, or 25 years to life. I had thought when we started following the Jodi Arias case that LWOP would be the alternative to the Death Penalty, but when I put the verdict/sentences in the First Post last week, it was unnerving to see that THE JUDGE determines exactly what "life" means. (Goes along with the concerns that Brit posted above...can't go to a higher verdict later on.) So, what I had wondered about was...what exactly do the jurors know going into deliberations about how the sentence is applied? KWIM? Do they know the whole process beforehand?

I read that article a few days ago and it's a perfect example of why I said the jury dynamics are going to be important in this case, just imagine if that one juror hadn't changed their mind.

Here's the instructions to the court including instructions to the jury: http://www.azbar.org/media/58847/4-capital_case_instructions_revised_2011.pdf
 
I read that article a few days ago and it's a perfect example of why I said the jury dynamics are going to be important in this case, just imagine if that one juror hadn't changed their mind.

Here's the instructions to the court including instructions to the jury: http://www.azbar.org/media/58847/4-capital_case_instructions_revised_2011.pdf
Thanks! I'll read that and report back in a month. LOL How do juries even come back in a short period of time if they're supposed to read all that? EDITED TO CORRECT MYSELF...the jury DOESN'T read all that. I haven't read what they're actually supposed to read or be told. Will do so...at some point. Today is hopefully a "catching up" day around my house!

I'll put the link in the First Post.
 
Thanks! I'll read that and report back in a month. LOL How do juries even come back in a short period of time if they're supposed to read all that? EDITED TO CORRECT MYSELF...the jury DOESN'T read all that. I haven't read what they're actually supposed to read or be told. Will do so...at some point. Today is hopefully a "catching up" day around my house!

I'll put the link in the First Post.

:lmao: I totally understand! ::yes:: :lmao:

I mowed quite a bit yesterday and I've got a long list of things to do today since my life will be on trial for the rest of the week.
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And I hope this comes up on Google: Windstream, how am I supposed to notify you my phone is not working right if your repair number and website are experiencing difficulties for the last 18 hours and you still haven't fixed your own line, but yes, I'll try back later. Thanks. :confused:
 
Woke up this morning feeling utter peace about everything. I slept well last night. What ever happens in the coming days in my beliefs are God's plans whether we like it or not. I cannot get overly anxious for something I have no control over. Instead I need to be prepping for Charlotte Grace's arrival and becoming a new mom. She'll be here soon, and for that I am thankful.

We will all get thru the next few days. Go hug your loved ones! We really will be ok!

Hope everyone has a wonderful Tuesday!

(Ok I am crying now!)
 
Woke up this morning feeling utter peace about everything. I slept well last night. What ever happens in the coming days in my beliefs are God's plans whether we like it or not. I cannot get overly anxious for something I have no control over. Instead I need to be prepping for Charlotte Grace's arrival and becoming a new mom. She'll be here soon, and for that I am thankful.

We will all get thru the next few days. Go hug your loved ones! We really will be ok!

Hope everyone has a wonderful Tuesday!

(Ok I am crying now!)

Piglet, that name is wonderful! I hope baby Charlotte is getting ready to enter this world, she's going to be so loved!

You are right that everything is out of our hands and that what is meant to be will be. I'm still under the belief that even though CA was aquited, her life is pretty darn terrible and karma will get her. Well, it probably already has- taxpayers aren't paying for her to rot in jail but being out in the world, she's despised and probably told so on a daily basis...and she's ruined whatever family she had, is broke, can't live a normal life. I'm just hoping some day somebody jacks her in the jaw, because she deserves that as well.

I was watching In Session this morning and Ryan Burns was testifying, he's a bit creepy and seemed really proud of being with Jodi. He was smug and I don't know what else, just very off.

Okay, time to go rinse my hair. I've been told a few times this week that I'm getting really gray! :scared1: Had to fix that problem with my $2.50 box of Revlon! :lmao: Plus it's going to be 83 out today, already have my back in the sun as I sit on the couch. SPRING IS FINALLY HERE!
 
Woke up this morning feeling utter peace about everything. I slept well last night. What ever happens in the coming days in my beliefs are God's plans whether we like it or not. I cannot get overly anxious for something I have no control over. Instead I need to be prepping for Charlotte Grace's arrival and becoming a new mom. She'll be here soon, and for that I am thankful.

We will all get thru the next few days. Go hug your loved ones! We really will be ok!

Hope everyone has a wonderful Tuesday!

(Ok I am crying now!)

You gave me some serious goosebumps. I have been saying the same thing its God's plan.
I LOVE LOVE the name you have chosen. It's beautiful. :love:
 
Woke up this morning feeling utter peace about everything. I slept well last night. What ever happens in the coming days in my beliefs are God's plans whether we like it or not. I cannot get overly anxious for something I have no control over. Instead I need to be prepping for Charlotte Grace's arrival and becoming a new mom. She'll be here soon, and for that I am thankful.

We will all get thru the next few days. Go hug your loved ones! We really will be ok!

Hope everyone has a wonderful Tuesday!

(Ok I am crying now!)

:hug: Here is one for you pigletgirl. I am sort of new to really posting much and starting to get to know people on here. I am really struck by you waiting for your little baby girl. Brings back such sweet warm memories for me having my first baby, also a girl. She is now almost 20, and to me, when I look at her face or hands, it's like the first time all over.

So excited for you. Gather yourself into a little Mommy cocoon and enjoy her.:cutie:
 





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