Jesus wasn't resurrected

[Fitswimmer]

I find the Shroud interesting, but it's not a make or break thing with my faith. I'm not sure how to explain it, but my faith doesn't rise and fall on stuff like that. I still read everything about them, but it's like the faith part of me takes a walk while I'm doing it.

 

[mickeyfan2]

They didn't carbon-date the bloodstains on the shroud- they carbon-dated the linen threads it is made of. So enzymes would not have been an issue. Turst me, the Church is very conservative in the testing they allow; plus the shroud is only exhibited and available for (non-destructive) testing every 10 years.

I am talking about the fibers. The dead enzymes are causing are decades younger and are throwing off the date of the Shroud. This is the theory. This was done the last time the Shroud was available. They have to take a few fibers to do it. There was a great show on TV following this activity. It was very interesting.

 

[jimmiej]

what about the gospels that were omitted from the Bible?? those didn't say what God wanted them to say, so they got taken out?

I have no problem believing that.

 

[car55]

This is a case of another self important film maker displaying his view of history/events. I'm a history buff, whenever I go to see a movie bassed on a historical event/content I do some research on the subject first. It's anazing to see how many liberties they take with some facts, and omitting others alltogether. They display what they want you to see. I have my belief and no film or opion of anyone will change my mind.

 

[jimmiej]

IF jesus was who you guys claim he was...why wouldn't he forgive and forget our sins?

He did. That's why He died on the cross. He took our place. We need only accept this "free gift" & as the Scripture says,

Psalm 103:11-13

11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;

12 as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.

13 As a father has compassion on his children,
so the LORD has compassion on those who fear him;

 

[magicmato]

Nobody can take Christ out of MY Christmas. I choose whether He's there or whether He isn't.

Choosing to live your faith means that you have to take responsibility for doing the work. It seems to me that some folks want the government to do it for them by making things illegal or by sponsoring particular religious beliefs.

But you see, the problems arise when someone who is "living their faith" imposes their beliefs on people who are not doing the same. Every time a non-believer is bugged, harrassed and 'witnessed', then it becomes an issue of who's rights are more important? Many people, myself included, do NOT want to be witnessed to. But people do continue to do so, in public, at our doors, etc. If I want to hear the word of God, I will head to my church, pick up my bible, etc. I get to decide when and where, not the person "living their faith".

As far as I see it, THAT is the problem. Be religious, be open to sharing it with others, but don't force people to have to listen to you. It is rude. (No matter how it is intended.)

This is not an attack on anyone here, I am just summarizing what I think some people here are saying.

 

[The_Horned_King]

Because carbon dating shows that the Shroud of Turin dates from no earlier than the 14th century, and chemical analysis of the shroud shows that the images contain iron oxide, aka paint.

The only DNA on the shroud would be that of the mortal men who created it, centuries after the death of Jesus.

There was a recent program on the history channel made by a women form torin who has hypotosized that the shroud was made by none other then Da Vinci for the ruler of Torin at the time (the deal of holy items is a huge business - and caused many to make pilgramages to the locations of these items)

It's very fascinateing. On another not about that some believe that the ruler did infact find the real shroud and then commissioned Da Vinic to make a duplicate in order to display. He was afarid that the public would destroy the original. If anyone gets the chance to see this program check it out. It an amazing discussion.

Wasn't there some deal not long ago about one of these ossuaries containing someone that they later said was wrong? If I remember right it was supposed to be Jesus' brother??

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This was proven false. I was very fascinated about the find. After dating and a close examination the ossuary was found to be "forged". It was a real ossuary from the "time" or christ however the inscription was put on by the man who was looking to sell the item on the black market hoping to make big bucks.

 

[jimmiej]

But you see, the problems arise when someone who is "living their faith" imposes their beliefs on people who are not doing the same. Every time a non-believer is bugged, harrassed and 'witnessed', then it becomes an issue of who's rights are more important? Many people, myself included, do NOT want to be witnessed to. But people do continue to do so, in public, at our doors, etc. If I want to hear the word of God, I will head to my church, pick up my bible, etc. I get to decide when and where, not the person "living their faith".

As far as I see it, THAT is the problem. Be religious, be open to sharing it with others, but don't force people to have to listen to you. It is rude. (No matter how it is intended.)

This is not an attack on anyone here, I am just summarizing what I think some people here are saying.

Actually, Jesus told us, if someone doesn't want to listen to the Gospel, we should "shake the dust from our feet" & move on. In our church, we stress relationships. Get to know a person before you share your faith. That way, you're better informed about their spiritual status.

 

[The_Horned_King]

Mary Magdalen was NOT a prostitute.

Exactly And you'll see in my post a page back that I began to explain this myth and how it happened. Then I decided it wasn't worth the effort, because those that feel she is can not be persuaded to think other wise.

 

[Fitswimmer]

But you see, the problems arise when someone who is "living their faith" imposes their beliefs on people who are not doing the same. Every time a non-believer is bugged, harrassed and 'witnessed', then it becomes an issue of who's rights are more important? Many people, myself included, do NOT want to be witnessed to. But people do continue to do so, in public, at our doors, etc. If I want to hear the word of God, I will head to my church, pick up my bible, etc. I get to decide when and where, not the person "living their faith".

As far as I see it, THAT is the problem. Be religious, be open to sharing it with others, but don't force people to have to listen to you. It is rude. (No matter how it is intended.)

This is not an attack on anyone here, I am just summarizing what I think some people here are saying.

I agree. It drives me nuts when people try and force their beliefs on me. It's hard because I really enjoy learning about what other people believe (or don't believe) and often I've been drawn into having someone either tell me what a fool I am for believing or that I'm not believing the right thing.

 

[The_Horned_King]

I agree. It drives me nuts when people try and force their beliefs on me. It's hard because I really enjoy learning about what other people believe (or don't believe) and often I've been drawn into having someone either tell me what a fool I am for believing or that I'm not believing the right thing.

Exactly how I feel on the subject. So many people just won't take no or I believe in it differently for an answer. Your either with them or against them.

And you wonder why there have been religious wars for hundreds of years. To many religions need to drop the "I am right and holier then thou" attitude and learn to play nice.

 

[wvrevy]

1 - The problem I have with religion is exhibited startlingly well on this thread. Before anyone here knew a single thing about Cameron's "evidence" - and I have no idea what it is or how credible - his argument was dismissed. There is no interest in listening to the argument and judging for yourself from most of the people on this thread...just an instant dismissal of anything that doesn't agree with preconceived notions. THAT is one of the major problems I have with religion.

2 - God didn't fax the bible from the heavens. It was written - and rewritten, and rewritten, and rewritten again and again - by man. I just don't understand the mentality that discounts this fact to say that the whole document is "divine". How could anyone really believe that any group of men could write something of that nature without building in their own personal prejudices, agendas, and preconceptions? The constitution of this country is considerably shorter than the bible, and was written by men with the best of intentions...and yet it still contains open bigotry and self-serving language. Yet, people think that the bible doesn't suffer from the same flaws?

3 - James Cameron is likely committing career suicide with this documentary. The "true believers" out there will never forgive him for speaking up in his beliefs.

 

[my4kids]

exactly how does one prove this claim? Has Cameron secured some DNA from God the Father so that he can match it with the remains? Some people will do anything for a buck, and anything to bash Christianity.

 

[cardaway]

exactly how does one prove this claim? Has Cameron secured some DNA from God the Father so that he can match it with the remains? Some people will do anything for a buck, and anything to bash Christianity.

The answer is right here in this thread if you are interested in getting the answer rather than justing posting a bash of your own.

 

[Amity 3]

3 - James Cameron is likely committing career suicide with this documentary. The "true believers" out there will never forgive him for speaking up in his beliefs.

I disagree. he's well off enough that he announced a few years ago he's finished with conventional movie making. he's only going to be involved with projects he's truly interested in.

the backlash of the certain boycotts and death threats the Discovery Channel will get will have no impact on him.

yes, people at the Discovery Channel will get death threats over this program because it poses a direct challenge to their belief.

 

[mickeyfan2]

1 - The problem I have with religion is exhibited startlingly well on this thread. Before anyone here knew a single thing about Cameron's "evidence" - and I have no idea what it is or how credible - his argument was dismissed. There is no interest in listening to the argument and judging for yourself from most of the people on this thread...just an instant dismissal of anything that doesn't agree with preconceived notions. THAT is one of the major problems I have with religion.

It seems that some of us really do enjoy this type of research. I love Bible history, Middle Eastern history and religion history. I have done much reading and seen many shows on this. I plan I watching this show, but from what I have read on the subject already, this will not prove anything in the end.

There is a entire group of people in the middle east (they were on a show about the MM's daughter is a Maravingian) show that came out when the DaVinci Code movie did. These people all claim to be direct desendents of Jesus and Mary Magdaline. Will he complare the DNA in the tomb with these people and look for unique genetic markers.

 

[Amity 3]

exactly how does one prove this claim? Has Cameron secured some DNA from God the Father so that he can match it with the remains? Some people will do anything for a buck, and anything to bash Christianity.

you obviously haven't reseached the show, or science in general.

 

[my4kids]

you obviously haven't reseached the show, or science in general.

Ummm, the show?- no, read this whole thread?, no. Science? I think I know a little there. I was just asking, so if anyone wants to direct me to the post number or an article link expaining, I will be glad to read it. I really don't care enough, or have enough time to waste to go looking for it .

 

[Fitswimmer]

I disagree. he's well off enough that he announced a few years ago he's finished with conventional movie making. he's only going to be involved with projects he's truly interested in.

the backlash of the certain boycotts and death threats the Discovery Channel will get will have no impact on him.

yes, people at the Discovery Channel will get death threats over this program because it poses a direct challenge to their belief.

but they show stuff like this all the time,so does the history channel. They had the show about the Gospel of Judas, they did a LOT on the DaVinci code and it hasn't seemed to hurt them any. People who don't want to watch, just don't watch. I like these kind of shows, so I usually do watch.

 

[Amity 3]

I really don't care enough, or have enough time to waste to go looking for it .

then you obviously can't comprehend 'science'.