Jesus wasn't resurrected

[mickeyfan2]

LOL, well...no it wouldn't. But it would be cool.

I read something sort of interesting about cloning yesterday. If a tortie cat is cloned, they will come out either black or red, not the same pattern as the original. Not sure why I am adding this bit of trivia. I guess I just expected that cloning was a true replica. LOL, waaaaaaaay off topic. Forgive me../

Cloning is not 100% the same. They take an egg, remover the DNA and then put in the new DNA. This is not exactly the same. The egg has mitacondrial DNA that will be different from the donor. How they interact and the personal experiences will make the clone different. Also as of now clones age much faster too.

 

[poohandwendy]

Cloning is not 100% the same. They take an egg, remover the DNA and then put in the new DNA. This is not exactly the same. The egg has mitacondrial DNA that will be different from the donor. How they interact and the personal experiences will make the clone different. Also as of now clones age much faster too.

Amazing...seriously eerie too.

Thus concludes our science lesson for today

LOL, thanks Beth. You explained it much better than the article. Or at least, I could understand it better....obviously, genetics are not my forte. But very, very fascinating.

 

[Fitswimmer]

They're doing it on the today show this morning. Another example of the media's war on Christianity.



(kidding!, only kidding!)

 

[ChristmasElf]

Just would also like to point out the fact that James Cameron made more than one mistake on facts about the Titanic

 

[cardaway]

I don't think it's as mean spirited as you do.

Christians (and perhaps people of other faiths) believe they have had the "Good News" shared with them, and feel obligated to pass on the favor. Not interested? That's certainly your choice, and I respect that. But since it is such very good news, you can't really blame us for wanting to share.

Nice attempt at spinning it so it sounds less rude, but it doesn't work.

 

[cardaway]

I find it so strange that anyone takes the time to try to find evidence to discredit the beliefs of others, whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddism...

I guess I just don't feel a need to put effort into something like that.

Probably has a lot to do with the many religious folks trying to discredit any science that proves religious myths (Genesis for example) are just that, myths. You did mean this apply to everybody, including the people trying to discredit science, right?

 

[Jennasis]

Saw the show on Today with Cameron and the other guy. I'm not saying they are right or wrong. I'm saying that their claims have ZERO effect on my faith and I can't imagine that it would effect anybody else's.

I don't care if Jesus was a celibate bachelor or was married with 10 kids. I know him, I've spoken to him, and I am quite certain he did indeed ascend into heaven.

On a scientific note, why don't they DNA test the shroud of Turin to see if it matches the DNA fragments found within the box?

 

[cardaway]

I'm sure the DNA testing is just to link the father and mother to the children in the tomb and prove they're a family.

but now you have me thinking...if Jesus is the son of God and married a prostitute, settled down and had kids...wouldn't be his dad be pretty upset with him?

my dad would have killed me if I even dated a hooker, let alone marry her.

Ya think.

 

[va32h]

I find it so strange that anyone takes the time to try to find evidence to discredit the beliefs of others, whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddism...

I guess I just don't feel a need to put effort into something like that.

So if archaeologists find something that may be historically significant, they should just ignore it, because it might hurt somebody's feelings? They are taking the time to research a fascinating archaeologial discovery.

It isn't as though the scientists who discovered this tomb thought to themselves - "I want to prove Jesus wasn't resurrected, so I'm going to dig up all of Jerusalem until I find something."

The tomb was found 26 years ago, and after 26 years of research, this is the conclusion that some scientists have drawn.

Some people believe that prayer is the only way to cure illness - should we stop researching cures for cancer or AIDS on the grounds that it is putting effort into finding evidence to discredit the beliefs of others?

Some people don't believe evolution occurred - so should we stop researching the reactions of animal and plant life to their environment - again on the grounds that no effort should be put into any research that might discredit a religious belief held by anyone?

The Apostles Creed, referenced a couple of times in this thread, begins with the powerful words "I believe".

Nothing in the research of these people (and let's be clear that it's the scientists, historians, and archaeologists behind this - James Cameron is just filming them talking about their work, it's not like James Cameron personally discovered anything) has the power to change what you believe - unless you give them that power.

I think it's ludicrous to expect the scientific community to forego researching anything on the grounds that it might conflict with anyone's religious beliefs.

Our faith is our responsibility to maintain, not anyone else's responsibility to protect.

 

[Jennasis]

Mary Magdalen was NOT a prostitute.

 

[va32h]

On a scientific note, why don't they DNA test the shroud of Turin to see if it matches the DNA fragments found within the box?

Because carbon dating shows that the Shroud of Turin dates from no earlier than the 14th century, and chemical analysis of the shroud shows that the images contain iron oxide, aka paint.

The only DNA on the shroud would be that of the mortal men who created it, centuries after the death of Jesus.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I think there are some folks that enjoy finding some fiendish plot to this whole thing because then they can portray themselves as a victimized class. Spare me.

In the end I think the result is going to be the same: people who already believe will still believe, people who already don't believe will still not believe.

Wasn't there some deal not long ago about one of these ossuaries containing someone that they later said was wrong? If I remember right it was supposed to be Jesus' brother??

 

[cardaway]

So if archaeologists find something that may be historically significant, they should just ignore it, because it might hurt somebody's feelings? They are taking the time to research a fascinating archaeologial discovery.

It isn't as though the scientists who discovered this tomb thought to themselves - "I want to prove Jesus wasn't resurrected, so I'm going to dig up all of Jerusalem until I find something."

The tomb was found 26 years ago, and after 26 years of research, this is the conclusion that some scientists have drawn.

Some people believe that prayer is the only way to cure illness - should we stop researching cures for cancer or AIDS on the grounds that it is putting effort into finding evidence to discredit the beliefs of others?

Some people don't believe evolution occurred - so should we stop researching the reactions of animal and plant life to their environment - again on the grounds that no effort should be put into any research that might discredit a religious belief held by anyone?

The Apostles Creed, referenced a couple of times in this thread, begins with the powerful words "I believe".

Nothing in the research of these people (and let's be clear that it's the scientists, historians, and archaeologists behind this - James Cameron is just filming them talking about their work, it's not like James Cameron personally discovered anything) has the power to change what you believe - unless you give them that power.

I think it's ludicrous to expect the scientific community to forego researching anything on the grounds that it might conflict with anyone's religious beliefs.

Our faith is our responsibility to maintain, not anyone else's responsibility to protect.

Great post.

 

[cardaway]

I think there are some folks that enjoy finding some fiendish plot to this whole thing because then they can portray themselves as a victimized class. Spare me.

Every year we see a lot of them complaining around Christmas time about others trying take the Christ out of Christmas.

 

[Jennasis]

Because carbon dating shows that the Shroud of Turin dates from no earlier than the 14th century, and chemical analysis of the shroud shows that the images contain iron oxide, aka paint.

The only DNA on the shroud would be that of the mortal men who created it, centuries after the death of Jesus.

Well, there ya go!

Seriously, I just don't see any reason why this would change my faith at all.

 

[rockbottomsound]

That's like saying I found a gravesite with the name John and Susie, and I know for a fact that it is John____ and Susie_____. Those names are so common it could have been anyone.

And also seems pretty suspicious in the sense that it smells like publicity for a movie he's got in the making. And the whole child with Mary Mag thing is so played out by the Da Vinci Code. Seems like a pretty cheap publicity stunt to me.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Does anybody remember the claims about the Dead Sea Scrolls. I heard they did not want to release them (IIRC they were discovered in the 40s) because it would be the end of Christianity as we know it. Well they finally released them in the early 90s (again IIRC) and I read every one of them. NOTHING even remotely earth shattering. Most were extremely fragmented, others were copies of existing books of the Bible and the "most" interesting one was the War Scroll. Not one of these scrolls every called out Jesus by name. They called the leader "The One". I suspect this will go that way too. It will be an interesting find from the archeological point of view about the people found in the tomb but will not prove or disprove anything. This digging up of graves is why I will be cremated. Nobody is going to speculate and put my decomposed body on display.

Shroud of Turin - Know I personally do not believe it is the burial cloth of Jesus. There is a type of enzyme that eats dried blood that many scientists believe cause the carbon dating error. A group found a way to "wash the enzymes off the shroud" and they then carbon dated it. It now carbon dated to the time of Jesus' life and death. Others have verified this independently too. I think this is a great example of how you can either believe the 14th century if you think it is a fake and the newer 1st century if you want to believe it is real. I am a scientific person my nature and profession, so I just like the myster behind the entire thing.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Every year we see a lot of them complaining around Christmas time about others trying take the Christ out of Christmas.

Nobody can take Christ out of MY Christmas. I choose whether He's there or whether He isn't.

Choosing to live your faith means that you have to take responsibility for doing the work. It seems to me that some folks want the government to do it for them by making things illegal or by sponsoring particular religious beliefs.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Shroud of Turin - Know I personally do not believe it is the burial cloth of Jesus. There is a type of enzyme that eats dried blood that many scientists believe cause the carbon dating error. A group found a way to "wash the enzymes off the shroud" and they then carbon dated it. It now carbon dated to the time of Jesus' life and death. Others have verified this independently too. I think this is a great example of how you can either believe the 14th century if you think it is a fake and the newer 1st century if you want to believe it is real. I am a scientific person my nature and profession, so I just like the myster behind the entire thing.

I too am fascinated by the shoroud issue.. I don't think we can really get a conclusive answer on it, but it is really fascinating

 

[phillybeth]

They didn't carbon-date the bloodstains on the shroud- they carbon-dated the linen threads it is made of. So enzymes would not have been an issue. Turst me, the Church is very conservative in the testing they allow; plus the shroud is only exhibited and available for (non-destructive) testing every 10 years.