It's Official...IT'S PALIN

[bimshire]

The immediate problem is for Cindy McCain. Knowing her husband and his reputation as a womanizer, will she be okay with him traveling around the country with a younger and prettier woman?

 

[amyhughes]

The immediate problem is for Cindy McCain. Knowing her husband and his reputation as a womanizer, will she be okay with him traveling around the country with a younger and prettier woman?

You seriously posted that?

 

[Fizzgig]

I'm still confused. I don't understand how you think what you are stating is absolute truth or a valid argument against Sarah Palin. Can it be that that is the best you can come up with to try to trash her before the ink is even dry?

No, it is the reaction I've had as a woman to this VP choice after reading her bio and her October, 2006, debate.

Her cleaning up corruption in Alaska is pretty neat. I admire that. But a 2 year resume as a Governor and being mayor of a town of 6000 doesn't play well to being second fiddle to a President.

It eviscerated McCain's argument about experience in what seems like a publicity play to grab women voters.

Therefore, when the VP debates happen, I will be tuned in to watch her be so much more than her biography. Good grief, I hope she's amazing. If she's a bumbling fool, I am going to be

 

[TeresaNJ]

The immediate problem is for Cindy McCain. Knowing her husband and his reputation as a womanizer, will she be okay with him traveling around the country with a younger and prettier woman?

OMG, bimshire, are you being serious here. That is such a slap in the face to Sarah Palin. I really hope you were just making a joke.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

The father obviously has a role. Her DH is a commercial fisherman (she worked with him in the beginning, according to her bio). If he's able to take time off to care for their children, as a state employee, yes, I think she should put the important things first. Her family. Same thing Karen Hughes did. Family comes first, not political power or political jobs.

It's just not sitting right with me, so that's why I hope she impresses the HECK out of me in the debates.

Sorry for my unclear earlier post (what a quick thread!), but I was referencing your remark that BHO birthed his own children. I took that to be a dismissal of a father's role in nurturing very young infants, which is something I disagree with.

In current politics there are now two prominent figures (SP and BHO) who have made choices regarding their families that I personally could never make. I'd never forsake a moment of closeness with my own kids for something as comparably trivial as being POTUS or VP. But that's just me. I know not everybody is wired the same.

ETA: If SP and BHO have their stuff worked out andhave peace about it, who am I to argue.

 

[Fizzgig]

I hope she does too. As with everything, time will tell. I'm sorry if I seemed to belittle your position, but really, family should come first always whether you are the male or female POTUS.

I agree... Family always comes first, no matter your gender.

 

[Charade]

You seriously posted that?

bimshire doesn't mess around...

 

[agentpleakley]

Here's the deal for me and my mom... You don't get to cling to "family values" if your values have you back in the office after giving birth to a child that has problems eating, whether the kid is nursing or not.
If you put your family first, it shows in your actions. This kinda thing about being back in the office in three days... Yeah... That's not putting your family first. There's a reason medical leave for women who give birth is at least 6 weeks.

YMMV.

You had bills to pay. She was a government employee with a Lt. Governor to back her up.

Please don't go this route -- you demean all working mothers when you do -- I was in the same position as Gov. Palin. I had my DD on a Friday afternoon - by c-section, I was back at work on Monday. I had responsibilities to my job as well as to my newborn. Same as Governor Palin. I was lucky and was able to work at home and take my DD to my office. I presume that her position gave her some leeway as to scheduling,etc. My DH was able to take 9 weeks paid leave from the Sheriff's Department. Are you saying that I don't value my children? I hope not -- but wait - are you my sister in law? She told me the same thing. (The person who quit her job to raise her son, then put him in daycare )

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

The immediate problem is for Cindy McCain. Knowing her husband and his reputation as a womanizer, will she be okay with him traveling around the country with a younger and prettier woman?

That's insulting to SP and JM. OS really have lost it today, haven't you?

 

[Fizzgig]

Sorry for my unclear earlier post (what a quick thread!), but I was referencing your remark that BHO birthed his own children. I took that to be a dismissal of a father's role in nurturing very young infants, which is something I disagree with.

In current politics there are now two prominent figures (SP and BHO) who have made choices regarding their families that I personally could never make. I'd never forsake a moment of closeness with my own kids for something as comparably trivial as being POTUS or VP. But that's just me. I know not everybody is wired the same.

Yeah, I'm wired the same as you. No way, no how, was it ok for my DH to immediately go back to work. And if you make a point of saying "family values," it really bothers me when the politicians don't make their actions match that mantra.

By the way, google "ADN" Sarah Palin October 2006 creationism to get the source article. It was a REAL pain to trace back, and I have closed the window after reading her remarks. Everyone else is slightly altering her remarks, I think. I want to say the name of the paper is "Alaska Daily News" but I could be wrong.

 

[corndog]

The immediate problem is for Cindy McCain. Knowing her husband and his reputation as a womanizer, will she be okay with him traveling around the country with a younger and prettier woman?

You don't think giving her the nod was an attempt to keep her quiet about an affair they've already had?

 

[Pin Wizard]

Please don't go this route -- you demean all working mothers when you do -- I was in the same position as Gov. Palin. I had my DD on a Friday afternoon - by c-section, I was back at work on Monday. I had responsibilities to my job as well as to my newborn. Same as Governor Palin. I was lucky and was able to work at home and take my DD to my office. I presume that her position gave her some leeway as to scheduling,etc. My DH was able to take 9 weeks paid leave from the Sheriff's Department. Are you saying that I don't value my children? I hope not -- but wait - are you my sister in law? She told me the same thing. (The person who quit her job to raise her son, then put him in daycare )

Really! And a lot of us CHOOSE to work! When I gave birth, I had a great employer at the time. I stayed home 8 or 9 weeks. I then took the baby to work with me. It was GREAT! Best of both worlds.

 

[Fizzgig]

Please don't go this route -- you demean all working mothers when you do -- I was in the same position as Gov. Palin. I had my DD on a Friday afternoon - by c-section, I was back at work on Monday. I had responsibilities to my job as well as to my newborn. Same as Governor Palin. I was lucky and was able to work at home and take my DD to my office. I presume that her position gave her some leeway as to scheduling,etc. My DH was able to take 9 weeks paid leave from the Sheriff's Department. Are you saying that I don't value my children? I hope not -- but wait - are you my sister in law? She told me the same thing. (The person who quit her job to raise her son, then put him in daycare )

No, I don't demean ALL working mothers. I disagree with Sarah Palin, who was a state employee with a LT. Governor who was supposed to take over for her.

This woman ISN'T you. You can identify all you want with her decisions, but don't fool yourself that my judgement over someone else's political stance is a judgement against your personal life decisions. She HAD backup. Whether you did or didn't isn't a part of my decision to feel ooky over a political candidate.

 

[shmoogrrrl]

You know, I'm a pregnant woman, and it's surprising to me how much MORE my condition makes me pro-CHOICE and how much I despise myself for being a pro-lifer at one time. I wasn't pro-life, I was anti-choice. Right-to-kill-babies, my left ovary.

It's my body, and I'm choosing to be pregnant. A few short weeks ago it would have been my legal right to have an abortion. My choice.

For everyone like you, I assure you that there are just as many people like me. I was pro-choice in my younger years and my husband was indifferent taking the view that as a man, he had no opinion. We got pregnant with my Daughter and in the time it took for her to grow and be born, we both changed our minds are are solidly Anti-Abortion.

All it took was for me to see that little baby's heartbeat on the ultrasound monitor and to realize that I could STILL have an abortion to change my mind. 5 years of infertility later and FINALLY being 32 weeks into my second pregnancy, I realize how precious the gift of life is.

Do I vote 100% based on this? No, but it helps.

 

[agentpleakley]

No, I don't demean ALL working mothers. I disagree with Sarah Palin, who was a state employee with a LT. Governor who was supposed to take over for her.
This woman ISN'T you. You can identify all you want with her decisions, but don't fool yourself that my judgement over someone else's political stance is a judgement against your personal life decisions. She HAD backup. Whether you did or didn't isn't a part of my decision to feel ooky over a political candidate.

Well it could have been. I was an attorney employed by the State. I had responsibilities to my clients even though another attorney could have taken my place. The people of my state were paying my salary to do my job -- not to pass it off on someone else. The people of Alaska voted for Gov. Palin to do her job, not to pass it off on someone else. I see HUGE similarities. Moreover, what makes each family work is vastly different. And, no one's mentioned feeling "ooky," - except of course Chris Matthews

 

[PrincessNewsie]

Obama is running on change and chooses a 25+ year senator that has tried and failed to run for the presidency 4 times, dating back to 1988. Old Washington.

McCain is running on experience, reform and energy and chooses a state governor from an energy state who is a solid republican with a history of reform and is anti-corruption. She is not a hypocrite either. She supports the war on terror and her son is in the Army, deploying to Iraq (like McCain's son). She is pro-life and recently gave birth to a child with Downs Syndrome, rather than flush the life down the drain. She is solidly pro-2nd amendment and is an avid hunter.

I agree that the choice of VP is the first important decision for a candidate. BO should have picked Hillary and his road to the White House would have been paved with gold..

I coudn't put it better myself.

 

[Fizzgig]

Well it could have been. I was an attorney employed by the State. I had responsibilities to my clients even though another attorney could have taken my place. The people of my state were paying my salary to do my job -- not to pass it off on someone else. The people of Alaska voted for Gov. Palin to do her job, not to pass it off on someone else. I see HUGE similarities. Moreover, what makes each family work is vastly different. And, no one's mentioned feeling "ooky," - except of course Chris Matthews

As I said, I feel ooky. You identify with her, so her decision to return to work after 3 days isn't a problem for you. Not a biggie in the scale of things (as in, nuclear warfare won't get declared over this bit of Mommy Wars ), which is why I originally accepted other's mileage might vary.

And by the way, I'm a working mom, too.

 

[PrincessNewsie]

You don't think giving her the nod was an attempt to keep her quiet about an affair they've already had?

LOL I hope not, Palin is too attractive for McCain!

 

[Mickeyistheman]

I read EVERY single post.....Whew! I am tired

I have so much to say about this, what is really funny is that all of those that had said they WOULD NOT vote for Obama because he doesn't have "experience" are now TOTALLY being hyprocrites and are happy that Mccains VP choice who has less experience than Obama because that is a great change.

I am not worried one bit this was a HUGE publicity stunt that Mccain is pulling and I can't wait to see it backfire in his face. Instead of being concered with the American people he wanted to upstage Obama.

For all the Hillary supporters that are now going to totally jump ship and vote for a woman on the opposite side of the fence shame on you.

I can't understand for the life of me how and why you would do this? I was a Hillary supporter all along and now after hearing Biden and Obama speak I am behind them 1000%. I may not agree with everything and I don't think everyone does but the majority I do.

God forbid Mccain has a heart attack or something else happens to him, this woman is going to be the Commader in Chief. Is she going to know what to do when terrorists attack? Is she really ready to be Commander for the time being if Mccain becomes ill?

Those are things that I would be asking myself even if I was gung ho Mccain from the beginning.

A mother leaving her disable child 3 days after giving birth also does NOT sit well with me. Now understand where I am coming from here. My mother was a single mom who worked VERY HARD, I was fortunate to have wonderful grandparents who took care of me afterschool etc. but leaving an infant with a disability? So her job was more important than being with her son, who has special needs?

This woman was Gov and I am sure she had decent insurance and maternity leave, they also have Paternity leave now as well because 2 male friends of mine took off 2 weeks when each of the children was born, so it should be like that for either men or women.

That says that she didn't want to deal with the issue at hand when her child was born and I would question that about her.

Also I'm sorry go ahead and flame but she was Miss Alaska................That is going to be brought up again and again and not that there is anything wrong with that BUT this is who you want to be your VPOTUS

 

[Independent]

Well - every woman I know shares her same values.

Not this woman and absolutely none of the women I know share her values.

I was also a HUGE Hillary supporter. But I supported her not only for her womanhood, but mainly because her views represented my views the best.

Am I extremely disappointed that she did not get the presidential nomination or even the VP nod? Yes. It really ticks me off. Do I even like Obama? No. I think he is a bit egotistical and pompous.

However, McCain is the polar opposite of what I believe in and Palin even further. I cannot imagine voting for somebody who is going to push ideas that I abhor for a minimum of 4 years just because I am pissed at Obama for not picking Hillary.

Even though I am an independent, Obama and the democratic party still support the ideas that I support.

McCain's choice completely cemented my choice for Obama/Biden.