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My husband and I researched this matter extensively. Disney can only recommend the number of people, but they can't enforce it because you own it. Many people will argue this point and if they do it should be for the debate board.

You have all the right in the world to have 5 in a one bedroom. I would never waste my points on a 2 bedroom when I have a child that is young enough to sleep with my husband and I. At some point (teeenage years), a 2 bedroom will be a blessing, but until then a one bedroom is fine.

D. B. Kelly
 
I'm sure the laws may vary from state to state and laws regarding timeshares may be different, but just because you own something does not always give you the absolute right to do with as you wish.

I owned a two-bedroom condo (non-timeshare) in Wisconsin. The condo declaration limited occupancy to 4. Several of the units were owned by people who rented them out like an apartment. We had several occasions where there were more than 4 people living in a unit and they were evicted.

When people bought the condo they were agreeing to abide by the declaration and associated rules and regulations (occupancy limits, pets, etc.) so these rules are enforceable.

So I guess ultimately it would depend on the laws of the state of Florida and how the declaration for DVC was drafted.
 
Hmmm... I'm sure it will be a relief to DVD to know that they can send the Fire Marshall to cite you instead of receiving the citation for not meeting the occupancy code. :rolleyes: I guess I can tell dd that I found a studio for her and 18 of her closest friends to use for Spring Break since I own it...

Certain rules and regulations exist for the safety of all of us, and override the wishes and convenience of one or two. That's why the rules were clearly stated in the POS Agreements, including the fact that what you are told verbally (even if by a CM or Guide) does not supercede the POS Agreement.
 
No you don't have the "right" to do it. You purchased and agreed to abide by the rules of the association. You may get away with it and/or not see it enforced but it is by no means a "right".
 

Getting back to the original question (not whether you have the right to do what you want), is there any rule stating that only 4 occupants are allowed to be in a 1-BR? I do not think that having 5, or even 6, people in a room that is about 1000 sq ft would be in violation of any fire code (16 people would be a different story).
 
The stated limits from DVC are 4 persons and a child under 3 are permitted in a 1 bedroom or a studio (with the BWV studio plus adding 1 more person who fits on a very small daybed).

2 bedrooms are 8 persons and 1 child under 3. GV are 12 persons and a child under 3.
 
Originally posted by jandk95
Getting back to the original question (not whether you have the right to do what you want), is there any rule stating that only 4 occupants are allowed to be in a 1-BR? I do not think that having 5, or even 6, people in a room that is about 1000 sq ft would be in violation of any fire code (16 people would be a different story).

According to the Multi-Site POS (Public Offering Statement), Section 14; Component Site Information; Sleeping Capacity is as follows:

Grand Villa Vacation Home: 12
2 BR Dedicated Vacation Home: 8
2 BR Lock-Off Vacation Home: 8
1 BR Vacation Home: 4
Studio Vacation Home: 4
Suite Vacation Home(Vero): 4

DVD also allows for one child under the age of 3 to sleep in a portable crib.
 
Well technically we don't own the rooms at all. We own points that allow us the use of the rooms. Disney owns the property and as such they can dictate whatever they want. No one actually owns the units they are staying in. We own points that work out to a very small portion of a particular unit - like my 320 points may get me one walls worth of baseboard. Hardly enough for me to say I own the room and can do what I want with it!
 
It has beeen a long time since I have seen the 5 in a 1BR debate. Since we need one of those every once in a while, I think we should all start on the correct legal basis:

1. You actually do own a real estate interest in the property. When you purchase you are deeded an interest in a "unit" (which actually consists of several rooms) and you share that interest with all others in the unit. You are then subjected to all the rules in the official documents which render that real estate interest somewhat meaningless (except for tax deduction purposes) because you may never actually stay in the unit you own as the rules of reserving allow any member to stay in any room.

2. You actually do not own points. The documents deem that points shall have no legally recognized value but merely represent your real estate interest in the property and thus you cannot legally "own" them. But, just as your real estate interest is rendered somewhat meaningless by the reservation provisions of the documents, your points become the most important thing because of those same reservation provisions. In other words, under the DVC system, you actually own an interest in real property but really don't care if you do, and you actually own no interest in points but those are the only things you consider to be of value. Don't worry, the law does those kinds of things all the time.

3. You have no "right" to put five in a room designated for four. Your research needs to take you where it should have started and that is reading the official documents which designate that a 1BR is to sleep four. When you buy DVC, you sign a lot of documents and, though this might be overlooked, everyone of them says you agree to abide by everything in the official documents. So regardless of what your "research" may have shown, there is an enforceable agreement that says the DVC gods can prevent you from putting five in the room. Note, the same documents allow a fifth if under 3 in a crib.

4. The issue has nothing to do with safety. And the Fire Marshalls don't give a hoot. Putting 5 in a 1BR violates no safety laws or ordinances. The rule exists in the documents for one simple reason -- Disney decided to put only a king and pull-out queen in the 1BRs and thus there is bedding only for four. And that baby is allowed as a fifth because Disney also has cribs for the rooms.

5. Those are the rules but then, as is often the case, rules are created to be broken, and, in this case, that can occur as long as the DVC gods allow it. DVC has long allowed members to put 5 in a 1BR with the caveat that it will not provide any bedding for the fifth. As long as it allows it, you can do it -- the DVC gods are the arbiters of the rules. DVC will likely continue to allow it as long as it does not get out hand. However, you should always remember one thing. Those same DVC gods could wake up cranky one day and change their minds and stop allowing 5 in the room, and if that occurs, there will be nothing you can do about it because all DVC will be doing is enforcing already existing and valid rules.
 
One can argue the reasonableness, however it is not possible to argue the enforceability of the room accupancy. They can enforce it and many timeshare do VERY strictly. As long as they enforce the rule across the board (CRO and DVC) for the same unit and resort, they are on rock solid ground and a member would not have a leg to stand on to argue the point. Even the issue that the guide said so, will have NO meaning.
 
Originally posted by PamOKW
The stated limits from DVC are 4 persons and a child under 3 are permitted in a 1 bedroom or a studio (with the BWV studio plus adding 1 more person who fits on a very small daybed).

2 bedrooms are 8 persons and 1 child under 3. GV are 12 persons and a child under 3.
Pam, that's not quite true. The stated limits are 4, 4, 8 and 12. The plus a child under 3 is actually an addition after the fact and not in writing, at least not in the legal aspect.
 
I wasn't sure how the "child under 3" figures into the arguement. It's not in my POS documents but it is included in most Disney descriptions of the rooms.
 
This is welcome to be continued in one of the many occupancy threads on the Debate Board.

Thanks.
 
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