Is this acceptable?

[t_catt11]

You are a "bulldog" - I am never getting on the other side of the issue with you even if I'm right!

I'll take this as a compliment (hey, I've been called far worse... many such names cannot be repeated on this family-oriented community).

I do possess the character flaw of enjoying a good debate.

If you present to me a logical reason as to why I am wrong, I will absolutely consider it. I have had my mind changed on several occasions when I discovered facts I had missed, as well as when personal ignorance or bias on my part has been pointed out.

That being said, I am not ashamed to defend my position on any given issue (provided that I actually have a position). I hold opinions because I do happen to think that I am right on them. Why hold an opionion if you're unsure about your position? As mentioned, I am still very much open to debate.

Yes, I did argue above, and yes, I thought the "aw, I don't really think this... I was kidding" followed by "but we should all be fair and give everyone a chance (tee hee, I wasn't kidding, after all!)" was a poor way to defend a viewpoint.

If I'm missing something, tell me what I'm missing. If I'm wrong, tell me why. Give me logical reasons, I'll listen. If you can't, don't get annoyed if I think that your position is faulty/silly/wrong.


And yes, hijacking that last thread was indeed the best thing to happen to it.

 

[Bullseye]

I'll take this as a compliment (hey, I've been called far worse... many such names cannot be repeated on this family-oriented community).

I do possess the character flaw of enjoying a good debate.

By all means, I was admiring your tenacity! and just for the record I always ride TSM at least twice a visit to HS!

 

[mattsdragon]

You people make me want to retch with your sense of humors, and comedic timings, and your eating out at fancy resturants with waiters and silverwares.

I still want to know if it is ok to take my double wide stroller onto the bus while waiting for my seeing eye dog to get me a snack and then bring my fastpasses into line with me.

 

[Albytaps]

There no other ride in WDW that I know of that has 3 hours waits on a daily basis and runs out of FP's by 10am. So yea, just strickly TSM. I said it mostly as a gag, I know no one will listen to what I said seriously.

I love how you change everything to suit your argument. If you don't understand what I was trying to say, then admit it. Don't play it off as if you won the argument because you didn't. I stand firmly by my opinion. Go back and read what I have said again if you still think I said "aw, I don't really think this... I was kidding." I said it because that's how I feel, but I can say with a smile because it's really not that big of a deal.

You look at things as black or white, while I see the gray area. If you like debating then I'm sure you were having fun too so I see no problems here. Just don't try and say things were so when you don't even know how to interpret them.

 

[t_catt11]

I love how you change everything to suit your argument. If you don't understand what I was trying to say, then admit it. Don't play it off as if you won the argument because you didn't. I stand firmly by my opinion. Go back and read what I have said again if you still think I said "aw, I don't really think this... I was kidding." I said it because that's how I feel, but I can say with a smile because it's really not that big of a deal.

You look at things as black or white, while I see the gray area. If you like debating then I'm sure you were having fun too so I see no problems here. Just don't try and say things were so when you don't even know how to interpret them.

I don't recall claiming victory. And honestly, I have stated multiple times that I didn't understand what you were trying to say. I've asked for clarification, and you've told me that I'm overcomplicating it.

It may be that I don't understand because I try to operate under general concepts - "it's fair for me to ride a ride twice if I stand in line for it both times" as opposed to a patchwork system "it's fair for me to ride everything but ride X, because that one is the one that other people really want to ride." If you've created an exception, okay... but why the exception? Since you're appealing to a moral compass, I want to know if me eating at Chef Mickey's every trip is fair. Is it okay for me to ride Splash twice in the same day, even if the lines are long? Is going to the Pirates League more than once fair? Am I allowed to let more than one child particapte in Jedi Training? What if DS4 wants to do Jedi Training again on our next trip? What if we want to get front row seats for a parade, even though we have seen it before?

I'm asking for boundaries because you ought to either be able to (a) quantify those boundaries or (b) admit that your request is an arbitrary, emotional response.

I respected your viewpoint - even though I didn't understand it - up until you stated that you were kidding.... and then went immediately back to telling us that we really ought to think of others and not hog TSM with our two rides in a day. Well, gee, which is it? Just because you think we won't go along with your request doesn't mean your request was a joke - either you meant it or you didn't.

Since you feel that those who ride more than once in a day are "selfish", you do apparently mean it.


Or, perhaps, I am indeed contiuing to miss the entire point. I may be allowing you to ruffle my feathers because I don't agree with (a) the idea that it's selfish to ride TSM twice if I follow the same system everyone else has and (b) the idea that it's cool for you to call others who ride twice to be selfish. I'm not advocating that you push down a little kid and take his Mickey bar, I'm not defending my right to prevent anyone else from doing anything at all. I am suggesting that I am responsible only for what my family does on vacation, and that suggesting I NOT get in line so that my family can enjoy TSM so that others can do so smacks of "ride communism".

 

[larryz]

Is it acceptable for one person of your party to stand in line and get fast passes to TSMM while the rest of the party gets in the standby line and the FP person meet you in the line?

Only if you plan to use the FPs outside the return window.

Ha.

That's a joke. Ha, ha.

Ha.

Seriously, I saw your update, and I appreciate your openness to DISboard advice. It is considered by a vast majority of DISers to be crude, rude, and socially unacceptable.

Still, ...

 

[MikeSF]

I'll throw my 2 cents in since I've seen this done at many an amusement park.

For me saving a spot in "your group" is never acceptable unless they were in line in the first place and had to leave... emergency bathroom break, child needs changing, whatever. However, its on acceptable to me if I'm near by and I see them leave, if I'm near the back of a line and they're weaving their way in I only see someone trying to cut through a line.

Far too often I've seen this ploy with teenage groups where everyone is "part of my group", mind you usually at the more thrilling amusement park rides, I've been quite content with being the "prick" who doesn't let that person by getting angry in and of myself when the (usually girl) tries to jump in with her friends... and strangely enough always accompanied by another friend when they weave their way through lines. It really is something that angers me quite a bit, and is much more prevalent with teenagers than with adults I find, and I figure if their parents aren't teaching them good manners then I will be the one who forces the issue.

The way I see it, is like any line where "your group" is trying to get in, if some are slower (massive sprint towards a ride at rope drop), and "your group" wants to all ride or stay together, then etiquette suggests "your group" needs to go back to the slowest members and let those in between go ahead of you, as that is the most fair way to do things. Essentially if someone isn't in lime when you get in, then they are not part of your group in that line. To go ahead of someone else in line equates to line cutting/hopping/etc, and Disney policy does not allow that.

So if you have a FP runner getting FPs for everyone who's ticket they hold (I'm avoiding using the term your group ) then have a person hang out with them so they have someone to ride with when they get in line, or simply have them wait for you at the exit queue.

 

[t_catt11]

i'll throw my 2 cents in since i've seen this done at many an amusement park...

+1.

 

[larryz]

Probably because they don't realize that you can subscribe without posting.

Or maybe they want to say, "Here we go again -- this hot topic thread will come to no good, I'll wager, but it happens so frequently that I don't really need to say all that -- the does that just fine."

Popcorn offends me.

And people who take offense at offend me. Your turn...

 

[peachygreen]

Does anyone else notice that if someone starts a question with is this acceptable 99% of the time it isn't? I think in general it falls into the category of if you have to ask if it is acceptable to do something it probably won't be viewed that way by the general public.

I am quite entertained by the debate about only getting to ride TSMM once to make it "fair." I personally don't see how that argument would make anything fair. A system that benefits a few at the detriment of others is not fair. At least with the system that is in place now, everyone has the same opportunity even if not everyone wants to partake of it. With this concept of "fair" you could just go back to the old ABCDE ticket system where your park admission is good for only a certain # of rides per day.

 

[mom2rtk]

So you guys who ride TSMM 3 or 4 times a day (herein referred to as the 1%) are not in favor of ride time redistribution?

This reminds me of a couple recent threads that suggested holding back fastpasses for a second sort of rope drop later in the day for late sleepers.

Perhaps now is not the time to note that we ate at CRT three times on our last trip? Was that wrong of me?

 

[t_catt11]

...(herein referred to as the 1%) ...

Perhaps now is not the time to note that we ate act CRT three times on our last trip? Was that wrong of me?

By the above logic, yes. Perhaps even worse, since it's so tough to get a CRT ressie, and you probably grabbed all three at once. At least I can only get one FP at a time for TSM.

 

[mesaboy2]

I am suggesting that I am responsible only for what my family does on vacation, and that suggesting I NOT get in line so that my family can enjoy TSM so that others can do so smacks of "ride communism".

You used the exact word that popped into my head when I read the post you are referring to.

You are one tenacious bulldog.

 

[Bob NC]

...... but I can say with a smile because it's really not that big of a deal.

It appears as though its a HUGE deal.

 

[Bob NC]

(herein referred to as the 1%)

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.

 

[nkereina]

Didn't read the whole thread so sorry if this has been mentioned, but I just wanted to throw in that we got to the FP line by 9:10-9:15am every morning and by the time we got our FPs and then waited in the stand by line to ride, the stand by line was only like 20 mins. We probably wouldn't have saved any more time if we did send one person to get FPs and have them meet us in the line. So IMO, there is no need to do what the OP is asking.

 

[Albytaps]

By going on the ride once, it alleviates the queue. Wait times would be shorter, FP's will be available longer. It's not too hard to see where I'm going with this. It'll give more people a chance to go on the ride without waiting a ridiculous amount of time.

This is the answer you've been asking for and seemed to have ignored. I said my original post was mostly a gag, because I had no reason to believe everyone would be considerate enough to follow this behavior. All is fair in love and war, and I understand that. Besides, why else post on these boards other than to share some opinions with total strangers

Now I really wouldn't mind if we stopped this now, as I really don't want this to escalate any more. Hopefully you understand now (even if you don't agree which I know you don't.)

 

[jesswindsor]

On a ride that has such high demand, pushing and shoving at rope drop. I feel that you should stay with your party. Although you may indeed have family ahead inline, alot of people will think that you are a line cutter (it happens). I see nothing wrong with everyone waiting together for their fast passes or one staying behind to collect the fast passes while everyone else rides. But you prolly will get funny looks from people. TSM is no joke. You may be able to get away with it on a different ride.

 

[waynesgirl]

Wait... how'd I miss this?!?! Who has bacon-flavored dirty feet?

I don't know...the previous order doesn't allow me to taste test anymore...(ewww, that was even over the line of funny into tastlessness)

Don't knock Great Value, man. A lot of their stuff isn't half bad.

Also, Waynesgirl.... bacon flavored popcorn?

Yes, t_catt, being a fellow southerner, you should know the greatness of the Big Lots and Krogers that have been brought to us by the kind folks of the mid-west. THEY alone are responsible for the bacon-y flavored goodness. So, it is with great pride I hold mine up... don't hate me because I'm beautiful. Hate me because I have access to Jiffy Popped Goodness.

Don't start that again. . .we got in trouble for hi-jacking that thread.

Besides, as I said, I don't eat at the Applebee's.



Yes, that.

And aren't pig's feet bacon flavored?

Again, I go back to the previous order that we won't speak of again...it was a bad time of my college years...you know- Truth or Dare gone bad...

 

[Wadecool]

I brought more refreshments...