Is my daughter's dance teacher ridiculous?

Is she ridiculous? No. Should you move to another studio if you don't like her teaching? Yes.

While I the dance studio across town was strict, the one I went to was not. For the little kids it was about moving and dance (but yes they did learn the right positions and terms) and not strict balled. The studio across town was different and more like you have explained here. I'd look for a new program for your DD as neither is right or wrong.
 
I didnt even know they taught ballet to three year olds! Here, it is called creative dancing until they are 5.
 
My dd took ballet and tap when she was 3 at a different school than she is now. But, although they did learn technique and she was told the name of the positions it was also fun for the children. She is now at a different school and only takes hip hop; but I have watched the ballet classes of the younger children and its the same way.

I would be very upset if my child dance teacher was yelling at my 3 year old, regardless of what she was trying to teach her. Yelling is inappropriate and is not going to get the desired behavior.
 

The studio I took my daughter too did not start ballet until kindergarten. Regardless I don't find yelling at students an appropriate teaching method for dance at any age and that is what I would be leaving over.

Liz

Kids will get yelled at, maybe at 3 it is too young. There is nothing wrong with a little yelling if the students aren't doing it right or goofing off. Too much coddleing these days, IMHO.

My 8 year old is now on a competitive soccer team and the coaches were yelling at the players the other night, he didn't like it very much, I told him to suck it up, in sports and dance there will be yelling.
 
Kids will get yelled at, maybe at 3 it is too young. There is nothing wrong with a little yelling if the students aren't doing it right or goofing off. Too much coddleing these days, IMHO.

My 8 year old is now on a competitive soccer team and the coaches were yelling at the players the other night, he didn't like it very much, I told him to suck it up, in sports and dance there will be yelling.

Seriously at the studio my daughter went to and subsequently helped at there was nothing I would call yelling - now the teacher did on occasion raise her voice but it was along the lines of, "GIRLS, we need to work on this now."

Liz
 
My daughter started ballet at 3yo and it was also pretty structured, they taught them positions, used French terms, expected the kids to listen, etc. They also read part of a story (a fairy tale, often a Disney princess), then put on costumes and acted out the story. During that acting out the story they were expected shown proper form, positions, etc. So it was fun, but still the teaching was there.

At age 5 (technically you could move up at 4.5yo depending on when your birthday was), the costumes pretty much ended and then it was just straight teaching.

At no point though was it just creative movement or anything like that. They did have classes like that for under 3s, or over 3yo if you took Storybook Theater, but ballet has always been ballet at my daughter's dance studio.
 
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All three of my girls have taken dance from the ages of 3 till present. Usually dance at that age is called "dance awareness", and for a reason. It's about learning rhythm, getting used to moving your body, etc. but still incorporating the proper positions and terms. Not until they were 5 or 6 did it really start getting to "ballet".

She is three. They really can't comprehend dance and don't have an attention span of more than a half an hour at this point. I worked in a building that did dance lessons (military MWR) and I've seen all kinds of kids go through in the five years I worked there. Sending them to the corner really doesn't teach them much in the ways of movement etc. It more than likely discourages them more than anything. i would find a studio that gears more towards a younger age for now.
 
Seriously at the studio my daughter went to and subsequently helped at there was nothing I would call yelling - now the teacher did on occasion raise her voice but it was along the lines of, "GIRLS, we need to work on this now."

Liz

Wow, I have been to 3 for me when growing up and 3 for DD and everyone I have been to, there was yelling if the girls weren't behaving. I don't have a problem with that.
 
My DD17 started ballet at 3. There was structure from day 1. She was taught proper terminology along with the dance moves. Her studio was strict. It was a ballet studio. Children were not taught tap/jazz/modern until they were 7 years old. DS also took ballet here. There are other studios in our area that teach dance movement. I would call around and ask for the studio director and find one that meets yours and your daughters needs. Good luck.
 
I'm certainly no dance instructor, but I've put in more than enough years as a dance mom to weigh in.

It's not a big deal for the teacher to be using the french terms, even w/ 3 year olds. As several others have pointed out, it's not french to the kids, it's just a name.

3 year olds absolutely do learn some technique when the class they are in is a ballet class. Yes, other classes may be called creative movement, mommy & me, whathaveyou. You can even learn snips of ballet movement in these types of classes, but it is a bit less likely. Now, stating it as if 3 year olds are "learning technique" is both true & a bit misleading. Generally if you listen to young children's ballet lessons, you'll likely hear something like "point your toes, let's put our toes out & point them like this, kind of like a key going in a keyhole". It's guaranteed that even the most precious little ballerina giving it her all is not going to achieve proper foot position at three. A skilled instructor will know when a dancer has hit her best attempt of the technique in question by a dancer of that age, compliment & encourage the dancer to maintain that as her benchmark at that age. With every year/increase in development the instructor will refine the dancer's technique until they are of an age/developmental maturity to master that particular component.

Creative movement & other type classes are frequently a bit more free in terms of movement & discipline, but evaluate cautiously that you're not paying serious dance type fees for something that's too much of a free-for-all. Creative movement classes can be an absolute blast for the kids & may be a really great fit for kids who are ultra-wiggly & have a hard time settling in to much structure yet. A well done class may even squeeze in a snip or two of ballet or jazz, possibly some footwork that can lead into tap foot movements.

One thing that disturbs me about OP's description actually has nothing to do w/ dance ability. If you're going to pay someone to teach your child, in this case a very young child, they should have at least a solid basis of relating to a group of children, knowing what children of that age are generally capable of & a handy dandy bag of tricks designed to engage the children enjoyably in moving towards whatever their learning objective is -- without continuously needing to expel children from the class. Obviously that happens even w/ experienced & skilled instructors when they run across a child who either is not ready for the situation or possibly has some challenges that can't be addressed in a particular group setting.

IMO if you think it's at all likely your child may have an interest & ability for dance, look for a great ballet program. Ballet is the basis for all dance & a ballet background is necessary to have good technique in other styles. Look for a really engaging teacher who almost never needs to resort to "punishments" of any kind. Don't be surprised to find out that "structured ballet training" for little ones just may mean hopping & skipping through a chain of hula hoops, swirling & twirling on tippy toes w/ tiny scarves looped around their fingers to help them build the muscles for releve' & some idea about proper hand positions for ballet or the lights being turned off so they can see their glow wand shine as they try to make their star hang in the sky to teach the beginnings of movement for arabesque. Don't be scared off because some french words are thrown at the kids or the class is intended to teach technique. I hope I've given some good examples to show that neither one of those things has to mean rows of little dancers lined up at barre, afraid to move a millimeter the wrong way & unsure what to do because they don't understand the words.

Ballet is also fabulous for kids who really aren't going to head down a years-long dance path. It can improve posture tremendously, which is important to everyone, but it can be absolutely therapeutic to children w/ scoliosis, pigeon feet, etc.
 
I'm sorry, but how fun can this be for a kid if they are 3 years old and getting yelled at by the teacher. IMO it's just another example of forcing kids to grow up too quick these days.
 
I taught dance for 10+ years and no that shouldn't be normal. Actually at any level a good teacher should be able to control her class without yelling.
 
Wow, I have been to 3 for me when growing up and 3 for DD and everyone I have been to, there was yelling if the girls weren't behaving. I don't have a problem with that.

Most people generally consider me a no-nonsense, suck it up Buttercup kind of mom, but yelling at 3 year olds in a dance class is out of line. IMO if you're talking an average group of goofball 3 year olds w/o significant developmental or behavioral challenges, lots of yelling indicates an incapable instructor and/or a poorly designed program.

Now, when they move up the ranks & start on competition teams and the like -- oh yeah, there's yelling & plenty of it if there's goofing around going on. Suck it up, Buttercup.
 
I think you should look around at other studios, perhaps ask friends with daughters in dance. Most places around here will let you do one try it class too.

My DD has gone to 2 different studios. Both had a more laid back program for preschoolers. It was Creative Movement, but I guess I'm a bit taken aback that some are equating that with "just a rec program". They definately do some technique, but in a fun way (for example, practiced leaps pretending to be deer jumping over a blue rope "river".) Most definately no yelling. The first place did not have preschoolers in recitals, her current one does.

There is also ballet school in town that has a more formal class. They require hair in a bun, specific colored leotard for each age, and I'm sure a more structured/technique based class. Just reading the website sounded strictre than I wanted to get into. (Shoot, I was not doing the fight DD's hair into a bun every week! I did good to get out the door with her dressed some days :) I knew that would not be the right fit for us.

She's 9 now and has moved into a structured jazz/tap program (but it's still about having fun!)


ETA: Just saw this post- this is entirely the sort of thing DD did in her Creative Movement classes.

Don't be surprised to find out that "structured ballet training" for little ones just may mean hopping & skipping through a chain of hula hoops, swirling & twirling on tippy toes w/ tiny scarves looped around their fingers to help them build the muscles for releve' & some idea about proper hand positions for ballet or the lights being turned off so they can see their glow wand shine as they try to make their star hang in the sky to teach the beginnings of movement for arabesque. Don't be scared off because some french words are thrown at the kids or the class is intended to teach technique. I hope I've given some good examples to show that neither one of those things has to mean rows of little dancers lined up at barre, afraid to move a millimeter the wrong way & unsure what to do because they don't understand the words.
 
I used to teach preschool and kindergarten-age kids ballet & tap not too long ago.
The 3 and 4 year olds obviously are not there to become perfect at their what 45 minutes or 1 hour lesson a week. I don't think I ever sent a kid into "time out" or a corner or anything like that. If that did happen, it was because the kid had behavior issues, not because he or she wasn't dancing to my expectations, lol.
Yelling is never appropriate when teaching any child, especially a very very young one. I'm sorry you're dealing with this right now!

Maybe your studio is just very very hardcore & strict. Where I taught, the kids learned very basic positions and movements until they were in 1st grade. Literally you could take dance at 3, 4 and 5, and I'm still not going to teach you how to do more advanced things. They learn the basics and muscle movement before they can run around like full ballerinas.
 
My sisters & I took ballet for many years when we were young (a long time ago). I remember the teacher being serious but I don't remember her ever yelling at us. Right from the start, we learned the position names in French & I think that is how it should be done. Otherwise, the students/dancers would have to learn the correct terms later.....
If you are not comfortable w/how it is going, you should find another place. I do think the dance teacher should have rules but yelling at 3 year olds doesn't make sense. How is that fun? :confused3
 
Is it my place to change the "curriculum" or her style of teaching? Don't feel comfortable with that. I guess I should just pull her out.

No, I suppose not, but it is your child, and if you don't like this place, they are a dime a dozen - find a new one.

Can I ask you...is the teacher teaching the 3 year old french?

Oh yeah, its great! We just had observation day, and the teacher did a move, and said, Whats this one called kids? and they all yelled out in French the name of the move. Little mommy boast - My DD knew them all!!!! :woohoo:;)
 
I get annoyed when the teacher is unable to foster good behavior. But what that teacher is doing is bad in terms of her yelling...but good in terms of getting the kids to pay attention (the 3 tries and then time out rule).

So I say it is good and bad.


THE GOOD:
I signed my children up so that they can learn to dance and I would get frustrated with teachers who couldn't keep the kids in line during one year or another. They should be taught correctly with proper terminology and positioning from the start (though it will take a few years for it to sink in and for their moves to be perfect). I would be po'd to pay good money (regardless of the amount) and my child was being taught improperly.

I like that the teacher won't put up with children who can't at least stay in their spot and listen (forcing a child to do a move when the child just wants to stand there, shouldn't happen IMHO.)

THE BAD:

Teaching 3yo's requires a HIGH AMOUNT of patience and that your teacher is seriously lacking. There is ZERO NEED for the teacher to YELL at the children. This isn't Julliard. I'd consider pulling the child for that reason alone. It is unlikely that speaking to her will change her disposition.


FWIW:
My girls also attend a pretty serious dance school solely for competitive dance purposes and I've never heard the teacher YELL. I've heard her subtly raise her voice a time or two--but NEVER yell. She doesn't yell at my girls' 7-9yo team class and she certainly doesn't yell at 3yo's. And she's training these girls to win a competition.
 
I thought 3 year old ballet classes were called "creative rhythm" or "movement". Are they supposed to teach technique at this age?

I don't think so.

In our school it is called "pre-ballet".
It gets them ready for ballet and even at the strictly ballet school operated by former professional Russian dancers, that age is not referred to as "ballet"--it's still a pre-beginner class at that age. We do not go to that school, but I do recall when I was looking into it that the young ones were segregated out in that manner.
 














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