Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[Karin1984]

There was an annulment with the first, the second was beheaded and the third... oh no, that was Henry the Eighth, I am mixing up my English royals again.

 

[mamamia2005]

Prince Charles reportedly wanted to release a point by point reply to all the "issues" raised in the Oprah interview. But thought better of it because he didn't want to give more ammunition.

 

[Keli]

I didn't watch the interview and I didn't really follow Megan and Harry except what shows up in headlines which is a lot now days, lol. But I will say prior to the whole stepping down as royals thing started I had a positive view of both of them. I liked Megan on suits and I liked Harry's persona of a good hearted if wayward prince. I thought she looked fabulous in her wedding gown and was happy for them when Archie came. But all of the negative statements, accusations, and discontent in the last year have just turned me off of them. I don't know that I believe much of it, so much seems one-sided and whiny. I kinda wish they'd just fade into the background and leave the royal family alone now.

 

[BayouQueen]

I didn't watch the interview and I didn't really follow Megan and Harry except what shows up in headlines which is a lot now days, lol. But I will say prior to the whole stepping down as royals thing started I had a positive view of both of them. I liked Megan on suits and I liked Harry's persona of a good hearted if wayward prince. I thought she looked fabulous in her wedding gown and was happy for them when Archie came. But all of the negative statements, accusations, and discontent in the last year have just turned me off of them. I don't know that I believe much of it, so much seems one-sided and whiny. I kinda wish they'd just fade into the background and leave the royal family alone now.

Seems like this is the case for a lot of people.
Meghan went from B list to A list to back to B list in practically a blink of the eye. Not sure that's what she was aiming for.

 

[snappy]

I didn't watch the interview and I didn't really follow Megan and Harry except what shows up in headlines which is a lot now days, lol. But I will say prior to the whole stepping down as royals thing started I had a positive view of both of them. I liked Megan on suits and I liked Harry's persona of a good hearted if wayward prince. I thought she looked fabulous in her wedding gown and was happy for them when Archie came. But all of the negative statements, accusations, and discontent in the last year have just turned me off of them. I don't know that I believe much of it, so much seems one-sided and whiny. I kinda wish they'd just fade into the background and leave the royal family alone now.

You are right, Meghan looked lovely on her wedding day. Amongst all the hoopla and pomp and circumstance it was hard to take your eyes off her. As I guess all brides are. No ordinary wedding, a prince, an American. It was unique! It’s sad it’s devolved like it has, particularly sad for Harry being estranged from his grandparents and William. Doesn’t look like happily ever after.

 

[cabanafrau]

More and more information being made public makes me think more and more that Harry is far more responsible for the situation than Meghan. Her main "sin" just might be that she indulges Harry's worst impulses, a good deal of which may even come from good intentions on her part to support her husband and accepting his perspective as factual. I don't think many would flourish suddenly being the fish completely out of water in that pond, particularly if you have no reason to suspect your partner might have a skewed perspective he's sharing with you.

Seems entirely possible Harry has been a bit adrift since his active military career was blocked. He's made no bones about the fact that he loved his time in active duty, was happiest at that time and he also admits schooling was a no go for him. I think he was headed in a good direction in channeling those energies towards efforts to support veterans' issues, but I don't doubt that he was feeling the desire to have a mate and start a family of his own also. Problem being he began on that path and might have found it didn't fulfill everything, not in the sense the relationship wasn't enough, but in the sense that possibly he was looking for the relationship to solve his overall life dissatisfactions.

At the same time he was making changes, things were changing with his brother as well, with William being distinctly brought forward as future king, and eventually even William's son starting to be given some official prominence to publicly demonstrate the future plans. Apparently one of Diana's absolute musts was the boys must be treated the same. That makes absolute sense while raising them and within the family relationships. The problem comes about once William begins turning on the path of accepting more of the "professional" role as a future king. Is this part of the "completely separate paths" Harry has mentioned more than once in regards to the space between he and his brother? He's also made damaging comments about his father and brother being trapped, stated nobody wants the job of monarch, said his father cut them off financially and if he didn't have his mother's money they wouldn't have been able to manage, and very deliberately left his father and William under the cloud of racism. Sure sounds like he loves his brother "to bits" and he I'm sure would gladly and proudly tell everyone what an amazing job his brother will do as king someday.

I don't know about anyone else, but if someone in my family made offensive comments about my child's potential looks being concerning due to racist, or any issue, I'd be taking it up with them immediately, face to face, on the spot. Granted, I'm a nobody, but even if I'm a royal, that's still a family matter, not a media matter -- at least not as my starting point to addressing it. Being disingenuous by suggesting my child was being denied the title of prince because of race when in fact the practices that make that decision have been in effect for however many decades or centuries undercuts my willingness to take your claim as credible. No doubt the brotherly jealousy reared up strong in this regard as well because those same practices delaying the bestowing of the title upon Harry's son grant the titles from birth to William's children. I can see how that would sting, but when you don't even acknowledge that the traditions determining this started before your grandmother was even born and you instead tell a story that paints your family that you love so dearly in a bad light to garner public sympathy, I have no tiny violin to play for you.

Someone who's feeling lost, adrift, unfulfilled, restless, constrained, resentful, jealous, suddenly second place who likely has some issues surrounding the brutal loss of his mother sounds like a timebomb ready to go off if you ask me.

 

[mom2rtk]

I didn't watch the interview and I didn't really follow Megan and Harry except what shows up in headlines which is a lot now days, lol. But I will say prior to the whole stepping down as royals thing started I had a positive view of both of them. I liked Megan on suits and I liked Harry's persona of a good hearted if wayward prince. I thought she looked fabulous in her wedding gown and was happy for them when Archie came. But all of the negative statements, accusations, and discontent in the last year have just turned me off of them. I don't know that I believe much of it, so much seems one-sided and whiny. I kinda wish they'd just fade into the background and leave the royal family alone now.

Same here. I wasn’t even aware of the various headlines that have been referenced since the wedding. I watched the wedding (and posted along in the thread here) and was delighted for them. I hadn’t heard of Meghan before but Harry loved her and I only wanted the best for him. So I was team Sussex. But all the whining and now the untruths have really put me off.

It’s all made so much worse that this last round was after a year of pandemic issues for everyone.

 

[snappy]

And maybe it’s just me, but I really don‘t see Harry as having supported Meghan enough during her darkest hours during pregnancy #1, and with all he is undertaking now, I wonder how solid he will be during the rest of her current pregnancy. Having a new born and a toddler too will be no cakewalk (I did it too in my late 30’s). Could not have managed without my husband, friends, parents and my mother in law being all in for me. I still struggled with work issues, especially traveling and long hours as a professional in a Fortune 500 company. But I wasn‘t a multi-millionaire. Money though doesn’t buy happiness.

 

[mom2rtk]

And maybe it’s just me, but I really don‘t see Harry as having supported Meghan enough during her darkest hours during pregnancy #1, and with all he is undertaking now, I wonder how solid he will be during the rest of her current pregnancy. Having a new born and a toddler too will be no cakewalk (I did it too in my late 30’s). Could not have managed without my husband, friends, parents and my mother in law being all in for me. I still struggled with work issues, especially traveling and long hours as a professional in a Fortune 500 company. But I wasn‘t a multi-millionaire. Money though doesn’t buy happiness.

I'm sure he assumes help will provide the day to day assistance. Meghan isn't going to be pulling her hair out because the baby needs to be fed at the exact same time the toddler is having a meltdown.

No doubt he does some things to help. But I doubt it's with a high degree of regularity. That's just now what he's used to.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

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[snappy]

I'm sure he assumes help will provide the day to day assistance. Meghan isn't going to be pulling her hair out because the baby needs to be fed at the exact same time the toddler is having a meltdown.

No doubt he does some things to help. But I doubt it's with a high degree of regularity. That's just now what he's used to.

And Meghan will likely be busy doing her own thing too, focusing on her projects. I hope they are get good help that actually stays with them as opposed to the revolving door thing of the past. Friends and family members that you don’t actually pay tend to stick with you during thick and thin.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

More and more information being made public makes me think more and more that Harry is far more responsible for the situation than Meghan. Her main "sin" just might be that she indulges Harry's worst impulses, a good deal of which may even come from good intentions on her part to support her husband and accepting his perspective as factual. I don't think many would flourish suddenly being the fish completely out of water in that pond, particularly if you have no reason to suspect your partner might have a skewed perspective he's sharing with you.

Seems entirely possible Harry has been a bit adrift since his active military career was blocked. He's made no bones about the fact that he loved his time in active duty, was happiest at that time and he also admits schooling was a no go for him. I think he was headed in a good direction in channeling those energies towards efforts to support veterans' issues, but I don't doubt that he was feeling the desire to have a mate and start a family of his own also. Problem being he began on that path and might have found it didn't fulfill everything, not in the sense the relationship wasn't enough, but in the sense that possibly he was looking for the relationship to solve his overall life dissatisfactions.

At the same time he was making changes, things were changing with his brother as well, with William being distinctly brought forward as future king, and eventually even William's son starting to be given some official prominence to publicly demonstrate the future plans. Apparently one of Diana's absolute musts was the boys must be treated the same. That makes absolute sense while raising them and within the family relationships. The problem comes about once William begins turning on the path of accepting more of the "professional" role as a future king. Is this part of the "completely separate paths" Harry has mentioned more than once in regards to the space between he and his brother? He's also made damaging comments about his father and brother being trapped, stated nobody wants the job of monarch, said his father cut them off financially and if he didn't have his mother's money they wouldn't have been able to manage, and very deliberately left his father and William under the cloud of racism. Sure sounds like he loves his brother "to bits" and he I'm sure would gladly and proudly tell everyone what an amazing job his brother will do as king someday.

I don't know about anyone else, but if someone in my family made offensive comments about my child's potential looks being concerning due to racist, or any issue, I'd be taking it up with them immediately, face to face, on the spot. Granted, I'm a nobody, but even if I'm a royal, that's still a family matter, not a media matter -- at least not as my starting point to addressing it. Being disingenuous by suggesting my child was being denied the title of prince because of race when in fact the practices that make that decision have been in effect for however many decades or centuries undercuts my willingness to take your claim as credible. No doubt the brotherly jealousy reared up strong in this regard as well because those same practices delaying the bestowing of the title upon Harry's son grant the titles from birth to William's children. I can see how that would sting, but when you don't even acknowledge that the traditions determining this started before your grandmother was even born and you instead tell a story that paints your family that you love so dearly in a bad light to garner public sympathy, I have no tiny violin to play for you.

Someone who's feeling lost, adrift, unfulfilled, restless, constrained, resentful, jealous, suddenly second place who likely has some issues surrounding the brutal loss of his mother sounds like a timebomb ready to go off if you ask me.

And maybe it’s just me, but I really don‘t see Harry as having supported Meghan enough during her darkest hours during pregnancy #1, and with all he is undertaking now, I wonder how solid he will be during the rest of her current pregnancy. Having a new born and a toddler too will be no cakewalk (I did it too in my late 30’s). Could not have managed without my husband, friends, parents and my mother in law being all in for me. I still struggled with work issues, especially traveling and long hours as a professional in a Fortune 500 company. But I wasn‘t a multi-millionaire. Money though doesn’t buy happiness.

Sorry, for the double post. Fighting with my phone.

I don’t remember exactly what I said in the post I had to delete, but this is what I’ve been saying all along. The issues within the Royal Family go deeper than this. I’m sure she added to it, but it can’t all be laid at her feet, like some posters would like to do. Even going as far as to find things to blame on her.

There are some who will agree with the choices they’ve made. Some who won’t agree with a single one. And many of us who understand why they’ve made the choices, but still wish they had made some different decisions. But clearly, for better or worse, they are a team. It can’t all be Meghan’s fault. The idea that Harry is some naive, unsuspecting bystander being manipulated and dragged along by Meghan is ludicrous.

So maybe some of the vehement Meghan bashing can temper down and some of this can also be put on Harry. All while realizing neither side is 100% innocent, nor are either being 100% honest.

 

[snappy]

Sorry, for the double post. Fighting with my phone.

I don’t remember exactly what I said in the post I had to delete, but this is what I’ve been saying all along. The issues within the Royal Family go deeper than this. I’m sure she added to it, but it can’t all be laid at her feet, like some posters would like to do. Even going as far as to find things to blame on her.

There are some who will agree with the choices they’ve made. Some who won’t agree with a single one. And many of us who understand why they’ve made the choices, but still wish they had made some different decisions. But clearly, for better or worse, they are a team. It can’t all be Meghan’s fault. The idea that Harry is some naive, unsuspecting bystander being manipulated and dragged along by Meghan is ludicrous.

So maybe some of the vehement Meghan bashing can temper down and some of this can also be put on Harry. All while realizing neither side is 100% innocent, nor are either being 100% honest.

And I am likewise hoping all the vehement justifying of Meghan’s actions fades away. I don‘t have an inside track but I am willing to bet that doing the Oprah tell all was Meghan’s idea, along with many of the accusations she made before and after Harry joined her. Sure, after all she had to say there, he was the one who took a swipe at his dad for cutting the $ cord, or blurted out that the younger royals wanted out. But it’s out there, maybe they both can move on to making their millions and enjoying their limelight, and stop the blame.

 

[NotUrsula]

Just as a matter of information NO ONE graduates from school over here you take gsce's and a levels there is no graduation just getting your results. Harrys gsce's and a levels where not enough points to get him into Sandhurst so he got in due to his family. The family they trashed and every comment on news or YouTube has people claiming Charles denied Archie his right to be a prince because of his colour. This rule was written 100 years before Harrys son was born so how could that make it racist? I think it was due to the large number of members of the royal family at the time its now going to be reduced to the same number of the royal families in Europe. This is an institution that has lasted 1200 years and no way should be destroyed by the duke and duchess of brat

Not to mention the A-level cheating mini-scandal. The teacher who said that she was ordered to cheat for Harry settled out of court for £45,000.
This was the claim: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/te...ing-tribunal-told/KU7UBY2RKEGTUAAECWOTB5BYTI/
... and this was the outcome, 2 months before Harry was commissioned in the Army: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/feb/14/schools.publicschools

I do not for a minute believe that Harry was any kind of naive bystander. I didn't buy his mother's claims of naivete, either; she was raised in those circles and was very social; she knew exactly how dynastic marriages operate; she just preferred to pretend otherwise. I see in both of them the tendency to manipulate others to give them by charm what they know they will not be able to earn through intellectual effort. Diana, by her own admission, was "thick as a plank" -- she wasn't good at school and she knew it, and Harry admits to being much the same. They appear to be emotionally volatile creatures, both of them. (Charming, funny, very loving when it suits them, but volatile all the same.)

 

[snappy]

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Not to mention the A-level cheating mini-scandal. The teacher who said that she was ordered to cheat for Harry settled out of court for £45,000.
This was the claim: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/te...ing-tribunal-told/KU7UBY2RKEGTUAAECWOTB5BYTI/
... and this was the outcome, 2 months before Harry was commissioned in the Army: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/feb/14/schools.publicschools

Good grief, I never heard a whisper of this cheating scandal and payoff. No good can come from seeking the limelight, aka, Oprah interview, etc. if what you are looking for is privacy and keeping your past, well, private. Sounds like Meghan is learning the same lesson, as mentioned above in the unauthorized Tom Bowers biography. Once you put yourself out there, you better grow thicker skin. Some of the press and the resulting online comments will be unfair, nasty, untrue, whatever, but the cat is out of the bag at that point.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

And Meghan will likely be busy doing her own thing too, focusing on her projects. I hope they are get good help that actually stays with them as opposed to the revolving door thing of the past. Friends and family members that you don’t actually pay tend to stick with you during thick and thin.

I might have missed it but I didn’t see anyone post the news this past week that two current staff have left their employ, at least one of which seemed rather sudden.

 

[snappy]

I might have missed it but I didn’t see anyone post the news this past week that two current staff have left their employ, at least one of which seemed rather sudden.

A link to a story about the staff leaving was posted on this thread on Tuesday. I copied the post here:


Chief of Staff for Archewell, Catherine St Laurent, steps down. "Although sources close to the couple insisted that St-Laurent would continue to advise Harry and Meghan through her social impact firm, insiders suggested the bilingual strategist, who has also worked in Brussels and London and featured in PR Week’s 40 under 40 in 2014, “wanted out”.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...teps-down-as-harry-and-meghans-chief-of-staff

I doubt very much we will find out why because she probably signed a non-disclosure agreement but this doesn't look good for their organization. they aren't even willing to admit that she left them.

I'm still waiting on the workplace bullying investigation and now I'm thinking the timing of the interview had a lot to do with that. Perhaps the chief of staff leaving did too. And now the staff of Givenchy are starting to speak out, especially because of Meghan's saying it was Kate, not her that was mean. they were there -- they disagree with her. Wow -- such a mess. they should have stuck with being private.

 

[BayouQueen]

Not to mention the A-level cheating mini-scandal. The teacher who said that she was ordered to cheat for Harry settled out of court for £45,000.
This was the claim: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/te...ing-tribunal-told/KU7UBY2RKEGTUAAECWOTB5BYTI/
... and this was the outcome, 2 months before Harry was commissioned in the Army: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/feb/14/schools.publicschools

I do not for a minute believe that Harry was any kind of naive bystander. I didn't buy his mother's claims of naivete, either; she was raised in those circles and was very social; she knew exactly how dynastic marriages operate; she just preferred to pretend otherwise. I see in both of them the tendency to manipulate others to give them by charm what they know they will not be able to earn through intellectual effort. Diana, by her own admission, was "thick as a plank" -- she wasn't good at school and she knew it, and Harry admits to being much the same. They appear to be emotionally volatile creatures, both of them. (Charming, funny, very loving when it suits them, but volatile all the same.)

Meghan has been the more active of the two, seems like. She's the one who shopped around for the super high-level PR team to shape her "brand," and so on. Harry seems angry and passive-aggressive. Meghan seems aggressive.

Just my take....

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Same here. I wasn’t even aware of the various headlines that have been reeenced since the wedding. I watched (and posted along in the thread here) and was delighted for you them. I hadn’t heard of Meghan before but Harry loved her and I only wanted the best for fin. So I was team Sussex. But all the whining and now the untruths have really put me off.

It’s all made so much worse that this last round was after a year of pandemic issues for everyone.

The thing is, as I mentioned before, that not a lot has changed with these two, it’s just intensified. I was firmly in their corner, too, and very happy to see Harry finally settling down with someone special. Until news started trickling out about their “separating” from Wills and Kate in their living arrangements at Kensington Palace, their shared office at Buckingham Palace, and the foundation they started together, etc. Hmm. That took me by surprise because Wills, Kate and Harry had always seemed so happy and close together as a “threesome” for so long. Then there were the wedding stories - tiaras, “What Meghan wants, Meghan gets”, family issues, the $3million Frogmore Cottage renovation fiasco, the “don’t want to be working royals anymore but want to keep the security and titles”, and on and on. Now it’s past the point of ridiculousness, but at least people can see the type of people they are, all by their own doing.

A picture is worth a thousand words

 

[snappy]

Meghan has been the more active of the two, seems like. She's the one who shopped around for the super high-level PR team to shape her "brand," and so on. Harry seems angry and passive-aggressive. Meghan seems aggressive.

Just my take....

I agree. Her general persona, whether real or for public consumption, is not the damsel-in-distress, apart from the things she revealed in the interview.