Is DVC right for us?

Disneyracer

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Hello,

We're seasonal pass holders at Disney and have found that we're making at least three long weekend style trips a year to Disney. On our last trip, we started wondering if we should look into DVC. Each trip we stay at a moderate or a deluxe depending on what deal we can get (and how much we're willing to spend at the time) through Florida resident/passholder discounts. So the big question is, if we buy into DVC (assuming that our 3+ trips a year is going to remain constant) will we be doing ourselves a favor? Is it really a better deal?

I've spoken to a DVC sales person, but would like to know from owners -- is there anything you wish you knew when you bought into the program?

Also, what are the pros/cons of going through Disney or buying used? We really have no time constraints, though I understand that if we buy through Disney prior to July 1, they'll cover closing costs for the initial purchase and for any future point additions.

Is it true that we could buy into Saratoga Springs, but never stay there without any penalty? We really like the Beach Club/Boardwalk area and would probably stay there.

Other questions...
How hard is it to add points after the fact?

Are there any hidden/tricky rules, etc regarding points, banking points, annual dues? Any other hidden/tricky costs?

Do you use DVC for vacations outside of Disney? Is it really a good deal for those vacations as well?

Why did you choose DVC versus buying an actual condo in the Orlando area?

Any suggestions/comments would be great!

Thanks in advance pirate:

Holly
 
We've been DVC members for nearly 9 years. Points go up on the weekend, so if you only go on weekend trips, you will use up the points. Most of the time they nearly double. DVC requires planning, so if you like to take spur of the moment trips, it might not work for you. All vacancies are given to CRO to sell 60 days out. They can get them back, but if you wait too late,they might be sold out. Some less busy times at WDW are very busy with DVC (like early Dec) because the points are less.

We bought DVC because we thought we would love going to Disney year after year. So far we've been right. You can trade out, but it's not always as cost effective to use your points for places other than DVC resorts.

Most people say buy where you want to stay. Often the 7-11 month home resort advantage can make or break your vacation. Christmas, Spring Break, Easter, early Dec, F&WF often require that home resort advantage to book.

Your points are good for one year, but you can bank them into the next year with some restrictions. And you can borrow from the next year. So ultimately you can use up to three years' worth of points for one vacation.

The biggest thing to know about DVC is to not always listen to what the DVC guide tells you, especially if it is about squeezing that extra person into the villa or using your points for anywhere other than your home resort. Sometimes it's not that easy. Like the Public Offering Statement says - oral representations are not always correct.

We added on five times to our original purchase, four time through Disney and once by resale.

Good luck with your decision.
 
Be sure you do the math. :teacher:

Pull out old credit card statements, canceled checks, etc., and figure out how much you are spending each year for those trips? Then look at the total cost of DVC. Does it make sense? If not, don't do it. If so, why not go ahead and buy? :confused3

For me DVC is perfect. In 2002, I bascially paid for vacations for the next 40-years. My payments for DVC will be completed in a few short years. And, even with annual tax/maintenence charges I come out ahead.

DVC is very up front on charges and costs. I have never been caught by suprise on any costs related to DVC. :yay:
 
Thanks for the quick responses! I am working out the math right now. So far, it is looking like DVC would be the better deal, though I worry that I am missing something.

What is the 7-11 home resort advantage?

Thanks again!
Holly :wave:
 

Also recognize the committment. You need to have the money upfront to invest and then invest every year in dues. With your current style, you have no committment to Disney - money gets tight, you take a year off or change your style.

7-11 home resort advantage: You can reserve your home resort at 11 months and any resort at seven months. With some of the resorts booking quickly - and some room types booking quickly - during certain seasons, there is an advantage to "buying where you want to stay" if you can plan 8-11 months ahead. If you are planning short term, there is no advantage, and you may find DVC frustrating, since there is no guarentee any room will be available with only a month or two notice.
 
I just met a FL couple at a Disney Dining Experience breakfast event that does exactly what you want to do. They use their points for many of the concierge collection hotels and for weekend visits to WDW.

As Deb & Bill point out, weekends are expensive. Friends and I do a lot of long weekend trips and I don't care that it's more expensive. Of course, I've done 5 add ons because of those expensive weekends. Staying at the Boardwalk area is difficult certain times of the year and may take some pre-planning. I own at Boardwalk and plan accordingly when I want to stay there. Otherwise I'm just as happy at OKW or Saratoga. This is important
when considering if DVC is right for you. You'll see on these boards people stating they are on the wait list for Oct./Nov./Dec. since they want that area and all their nights aren't available. I was amazed that I was able to get a 1BR standard view for BVW for the weekend of Dec. 8 about a month and a half ago but I was still planning 8 months out.

Is DVC right for you? I have some friends who love the value resorts. DVC is not right for them because they can actually do the values cheaper. Then again they don't fly down 3-5 times a year. They go once a year and what I pay in dues, pays for their room. I, on the other hand, can handle a value resort for one night but love my DVC accomodations. I have stayed at the values and the moderates and as far as I am concerned, there is no comparison with a 1 BR at a DVC resort.

If you are buying Saratoga Springs but never want to stay there, then you may be setting yourself up for disappointment. If you can preplan most of your trips, but for those spur of the moment trips, be happy at Saratoga then no problem. If you have your heart set on the Boardwalk area, buy resale. As far as add ons through Disney, it depends. Two of my add ons have occured since Nov. with no problem. I called last week to do another 50 points and there are currently no Dec. use year points. So I wait.

Good luck

Cyn
 
To answer one of your other questions...Yes, you can make your home resort Saratoga Springs and never stay there without any sort of penalty. If you want to, go stay at Beach Club or Boardwalk every trip. :)

However, if SSR is your home resort you can only book that resort at the 11 month booking window. BCV and Boardwalk would have a 7 month booking window, which may make it a little more difficult to book during certain busy times of the year. You would simply have to go on a wait list for your rooms at those times.

My home resort is Beach Club. I have stayed there twice. For my other trips I have stayed at Old Key West, Saratoga Springs and the DVC resort in Hilton Head, South Carolina. This summer I am staying at DVC's resort at Vero Beach, Flordia. No extra fee's - no penalties. :thumbsup2

I own 300-points and the annual fee's/taxes are minimal. I also financed direct through DVC and they take all of my payments directly out of my checking account each month. I never even think about it.

One thing. How old are you? Most DVC contracts run out in 2042. Saratoga Springs is currently the only resort that has a contract running until 2054. In 2042 I will be 86 & drooling...in 2054 I would be 98 or fertilizer! :lmao:

I have a quick suggestion for you. Go to this website:

www.disneyvacationclub.com

You can order a free DVD that will give you a quick DVC education. It's fun to watch too. Good luck. :wave:
 
DVC would be ideal for you..............We have been members from the beginning in 1991.................and the only two universal things people dont realize when they join is that they need more points and why did not we do this earlier??? You'll love it..................
 
Disneyracer, I hope you don't mind me jumping in on your thread, but I wanted to ask a question regarding DVC ownership also as we are thinking of buying in. Can the timeshare be passed down or willed to our daughter if we should pass away before the year 2042 or 2054 whichever is applicable?
 
Mickeyluv, yes, you may pass it to heirs if the contract lasts longer than you do. ;)

Disneyracer - 3 long weekends per year using a FL Res/AP discount in moderate/deluxe rooms would very likely cost the same or less than buying DVC, without the investment/purchase commitment of DVC. Fri/Sat nights cost ~double the points of weeknights so the annual dues really add up for weekend usage!

The main reason one buys from DVC rather than resale is to get the resort they're currently selling, with the later expiration date or they are buying a smaller package and don't want to pay closing costs (though that will change soon) - or for some other incentive offered by DVC. Otherwise, resale often saves a lot of money.

There is no penalty to using your points at another DVC resort, besides home. But you may not be able to get your reservation during popular times either unless you reserve during the earliest booking period at your home resort.

Add-ons are just as easy as the initial purchase.

Using DVC points outside of DVC resorts is generally a POOR value - alternative options are pretty easy to find, which cost much less.

When we bought DVC, we had no interest in full week stays (traditional timeshare) and we didn't know about other points programs at that time. We did not want the commitment of a vacation home or condo. We wanted onsite stays and we didn't realize that our family's DVC usage pattern would become very costly. So we sold our DVC points without regret. They're great resorts - for the right people. We just weren't the right people.
 
mickeyluv- Yes, you may will your DVC to your heirs. Or you can sell it. It's yours till 2042 or 2054.

Disneyracer - If you plan 7 to 11 months ahead and BVC or BWV is important, you will need to buy where you want to stay. If you are are flexible about which resort you stay at - then buying at SSR would be fine. You might be surprised by staying at several of the resorts. There's a resort to fit nearly everyone.
As others have stated, it can be harder to get into the smaller resorts. You can try the waitlist. I was surprised that my waitlist for VWL came through 31 days before my trip!
I look at my cost for DVC like buying a 'car' that I will have for about 40 years. The yearly fees are like the gas & upkeep for the 'car'. And I come out ahead by having a great place to stay for my family.

Good Luck!
 
Disneyracer, you haven't mentioned what time of year that you are staying at WDW for your long weekends. Here's an example of the points cost for someone who stays for a 3-night or 4-night weekend in a BC studio each season except Premier (Easter/Xmas):

3-nights/4-nights/Season
56 / 68 = Adventure
58 / 70 = Choice
71 / 84 = Dream
78 / 92 = Magic
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263 / 314 = Total Points used for 4 long weekends/year, 12-16 nights/year.

If purchase price is $90/point, this is $23,670-$28,260.
Annual dues (at SSR) would start this year, ~$1050-$1250/year.

So the question to ask is, what would you be paying now per year 12-16 nights with FL Res discounts? If you bought DVC and paid those (above) annual maint fees instead, would it save enough to justify the upfront costs of 23-28 grand (plus interest, if you finance it)?

I have a hard time seeing how your situation could really be better with DVC. :confused3
 
Just wanted to chime in and second (or third) for buying where you want to stay. We bought at SSR not b/c it was our first choice but b/c we bought before SSR opened and got a deal on points plus since it wasn't opened we essentially got no interest financing for about 6 months so for us at the time it was the best way to go. I like SSR but my DH isn't as sure - it isn't as Disney themed for him as he'd like. We both love the closeness to DTD and see it as one of the greatest features. Neither of us regret our decision to buy at SSR and know we'll be happy for years to come! However, ideally we would have bought BCV or WLV and maybe we'll add on later and do that. I can't say for sure but b/c SSR is the biggest of the DVCs already and getting bigger I would think that getting rooms at the other resorts at the 7 month window will start getting harder to get. Please keep in mind I have nothing to back up that theory when you think of how many SSR owners there will end up being compared to the smaller resorts it makes sense. I'd look into resales of BCV or BWV if that is where your heart is.
 
Have you thought about a small points package? That way you could get the AP discount (it's not a guaranteed benefit though). If you bought a small points package at Boardwalk Villas, in September a standard view studio for Friday and Saturday nights is 20 points. So if you stayed Friday, Saturday and Sunday, that would be 49 points for a long weekend. If you did a Saturday, Sunday and Monday, it'd only be 38 points for standard view for those three nights. In October it's 21 points on the weekends for standard view. You really need to own at BWV to book those standard view rooms, though (book early).

You could do a combination of points and AP discounts. Just kick it around and play with the figures. Good luck.

I looked at Mousesavers a couple of days ago and Mary had posted Disney's 2007 room rates. I couldn't believe how much a moderate room is going for now. And the deluxe rates, wow is all I can say. And then you have to add the sales tax on top of it.
 
Owned for a little over a year now. I think the most important question you need to ask yourself is if you can AFFORD to own at DVC. Can you afford the annual dues? Can you afford the AP each year? WDW is not a cheap vacation destination. We do not purchase any of the dining options, do not buy souviners and probably will eat out maybe once a day, twice if in the parks. I live in Seattle, so deciding to purchase DVC was a huge decision-had to consider the travel costs and time to fly across the country. Our kids are grown and it's only my DH and myself. I do not go to WDW for the weekdays only, again, the distance and travel time are the reason why. My DH was not a WDW fan at until we bought into DVC. The reason?
He loves the large units and enjoys sitting on the deck doing whatever, which gives me the option to walk over to WorldShowcase, Epcot and shop in peace. DH also enjoys being able to go to the parks in short spurts and not being forced to spend all day long in the parks. The best advice I can give you, besides the 'can you afford it', is to buy where you want to stay. With Saratoga Springs becoming WDW's version of urban sprawl (reminds me of a giant apartment complex), I think it's going to get harder and harder to get rooms at BWV and BCV, since I'm reading most people buy into SS and 'never plan to stay there'. This isn't an issue for us, since we do live so far away, our trips are planned far in advance and own at BCV. My biggest concern with DVC is that 2 out of 2 times at BWV we've been put in a dirty room. What's the odds on that one? We travel alot and the only time checking in at 530-6pm have we had a front desk person say, "Well, let's see if your room is ready" is at the BWV. I'm so disenchanted with BWV (I originally owned both BCV and BWV), I sold my membership to that property (but had to stay there early this month since I couldn't get into BCV and waitlist never came through). I've written to the 'powers to be' about my stay and (like I said, 2 out of 2 times at BWV and a dirty room) disappoint in BWV and am awaiting their response. I'm not asking for any compensation, just appropriate response and explanation as to why this can happen so often.....
Yes, the offer to rush and buy at SS so you don't have to pay closing costs is attractive, but if you're worried about that amt of money when the purchase of DVC is a major investment, really explore if the commitment financially is something you can do at this time.
Don't get wrapped up in the 'craze', but step back and be sure you're making the right decision.
All that said, I'm glad we did!
 
Is DVC really a better deal? Depends. When DH & I were buying, he looked at it every which way he could, and determined that if you were going to go to WDW at least every other year, it was a good deal. Good deal is dependent on a lot of things...how much disposable income you have, what other financial repsonsibilites you have and so on. PS-He is a realtor, so was quite familiar with other timeshare companies etc.

Is there anything I wish I knew before I bought? No, because they explained it pretty thoroughly, and DH reserached it further, so we were quite well-schooled in the program & its rules & regs. I would urge you to make sure you read and understand everything they give you.

Going through Disney vs. buying resale ("used")? Again, depends. In general, you will get a better "per point" price through a resale. However, you have to carefully look at what they are offering. Some of the contracts are "stripped"...in other words, all this Use Year's points are gone, so you'd have no points available until the next Use Year. There are closing costs involved, and Disney has the Right of First Refusal (ROFR) for all resale contracts, meaning they get to look at it before the seller gives you the final OK, and if they want to buy it back, they can, and effectively cut you out of the deal. Financing a resale is another issue...you need to have it, because many of the resalers don't provide it. And there are closing costs. It is, effectively, a real estate transaction. That isn't to say it's bad, but all the planets have to aligned. DH & I bought an OKW contract about 4 years ago through The Timeshare Store (TTS) and had a wonderful experience. They were efficient, professional...the whole thing took about 6-8 weeks from start to finish and was pretty seamless. We saw a contract size that appealed to us, got in touch with TTS, made a "bottom-line" offer...ie "we'll give you X amount out the door"...included in X were the closing costs etc. I have known folks who have bought DVC with their Disney VISA to get the Rewards points, and then the next month paid it off with a home equity loan to get the tax benefits. I have known people who have paid cash. I have know people who have refinanced their homes and pulled some equity out that way to get the $$ to pay for it.
We purchased our first contract in 1997 through Disney. We did so to take advantage of their loan program. At the time, they offered 1,3,5 &10 year loans. We took a 10 year loan because it had the lowest monthly payment, with the intention that we would pay more each month to pay it off faster, but if there was a month when money was a bit "tight", all we had to pay was the low monthly payment. We did pay it off in about 4 years, rather than 10. Purchasing through Disney was also pretty easy. Currently there are some incentives with Disney. They are "pushing" SSR, but they usually have other properties available, you just have to really sort of "lean" on them to get info about the other properties available.

Buying into Saratoga Springs (SSR)? It is true that you can own points at a resort as your home resort and never stay there, but you'd have to be pretty lucky. I will give you a word of advice...buy where you like to stay. By that, I mean that if it will ruin your enjoyment of your vacation if you are not able to stay within walking distance of Epcot and MGM, then buy at either the BCVs or the BWVs. If it will ruin your vacation if you can't breathe the air near the Magic Kingdom, then buy at VWL. If you like to get a bit away from all the activity once in a while, then OKW would probably work for you. If you are a fan of the DTD/PI/Marketplace area, then SSR is quite close by. Yes, you may always be able to get a reservation exactly where you want to stay, but if you can't, will it break your heart to stay at SSR? If so, then don't buy there. When DH & I were first buying, they only had OKW & BWV to offer. The others hadn't been built. We like the BW area, certainly, for it's location. But we also liked the room size and laid back feel of OKW. We basically asked ourselves this question: "If the rules changed, and we could only stay at OKW for the rest of the time we owned our contract, could we always be happy being there?" The answer was yes, the overall cost was cheaper than BWV, we liked the large size of the units, so we bought OKW. We have never had a major problem staying where we wanted when we wanted, but I am generally ecstatic to be at WDW, so am a bit more low key than some folks about location, views etc.

Adding points after the fact? After the fact of what? After you have already bought some points? They love to do add-ons, and resalers often have smaller size contracts too. The purchase process itself is the same. It's a real estate transaction.

Hidden rules or tricks? I have not found any. Their paperwork and info is pretty complete. Again, I suggest you read and make sure you understand it, or question those things that you don't understand.

Vacations outside of Disney? I have done this once. It was nice but not the best use of points, since the point values for anything outside the DVC resorts is high. That includes other WDW resorts that are not DVC, such as the Poly or the Grand Floridian. The best use of points is to stay at a DVC resort.

Why did we choose Disney? We like Disney. We like the quality. We like the fact that we are on-site...we like to be on-site for ease of getting around without the hassles of parking, paying etc. We like that the DVC offers members some "perks". We figure that Disney would do pretty well in the upkeep area, so the resorts wouldn't get too "shabby" looking, which is a problem with other timeshares I have heard of. We were a bit young when we bought to think about buying a second home (35 & 39 at the time of purchase). We like the fact that we can stay in a nice place and when we leave, it's not our responsibility to find someone to watch it, worry about it, manage the property...we did not want to be long-distance landlords or have a property that would be vacant much of the time.

Comments- We have had nothing but positive experiences with the DVC. We have enjoyed owning a piece of the magic. We have enjoyed sharing it with friends and family, and look forward to many more years of the same. We like the more relaxed "feel" we have on our vacations now, because we know that since we own DVC, we will be back, so we have no need to "commando" tour...we enjoy the resorts, the nightlife, the "other" things there are to do at WDW (boating, golfing, mini-golf, water parks, poolside), rather than spending our time slogging around the parks for 12 hours because "who knows when we'll be back?" I would sacrifice a lot of other things in my life (heck...I could stand to lose a few pounds by not eating and saving money on food! ;) ) before I would sacrifice my DVC.
 
We LOVE our DVC (have bought lots more points after initial purchase) and almost always use our points 7 days at a time. If you think you will be doing mostly weekends, you will still love the rooms (especially 1, 2 and 3 bedrooms units--no more hotel rooms for us anywhere). You will still love having the room prepaid. But weekend nights are sometimes even MORE than double week night prices, so the cost savings may not be there for you. If $$ is a huge consideration, please do your math carefully before you purchase. Good luck with your decision!
 
bongo59 said:
DVC would be ideal for you..............We have been members from the beginning in 1991.................and the only two universal things people dont realize when they join is that they needs more points and why did not we do this earlier??? You'll love it..................

I totally agree with this quote. We joined only about 4 years ago and wished we had joined years earlier. Our children are in their teens now and I know things would have been great taking them when they were little. But that's not what my DW and I love the most. We have taken a few vacations (anniversaries, etc.) by ourselves and it was like a second (and third, fouth, etc.) honeymoon! We both love Disney and we cannot wait to take our grandchilden! We have also given trips out to family and friends for wedding gifts and such. There is so much versitility to this club and it would be well worth your investment if you already take many trips there. Good Luck!

:grouphug:
 
The point that weekend nights (Friday and Saturday) cost more points than weekday nights (Sunday through Thursday) is worth repeating.

If you do buy into the DVC, make sure the number of points you purchase factors the additional weekend night point cost in.
 
Disney Doll said:
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Or, better yet, just pay cash for your weekends.
 











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