Incedent at DTD

[livie1205]

INCEDENT: would not let me correct the topic when I first wrote it ( because a misspelled word is important ya know) still won't let me correct so it stays , sorry grammar police I obviously noticed it right away but oh well.. I'm sure I am the only one that has made a grammar mistake.. Kinda blows posting with my phone .. Fingers are all over the place

Deputies Investigate Sexual Battery Outside Disney Complex
http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/D...Battery-Outside-Disney-Complex-318228991.html


Just read this in our local news , how awful .

 

[TSR6]

In another article, it was said "She remembered drinking two bottles of ale and seven or eight shots of vodka before getting to the nightclub, records state."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...l-battery-downtown-disney-20150722-story.html

 

[gottaluvPluto]

That is so sad that the woman got so trashed she can't remember anything. How does she know that it wasn't consensual?

 

[FairestOfThemAll37]

That is so sad that the woman got so trashed she can't remember anything. How does she know that it wasn't consensual?

Not making any statement over my feelings about the law...

If she was intoxicated she is not legally able to give consent. Therefore, it isn't possible to have been consensual. Whether it was forcible or not may be a gray area but either way it wasn't consensual.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

Not making any statement over my feelings about the law...

If she was intoxicated she is not legally able to give consent. Therefore, it isn't possible to have been consensual. Whether it was forcible or not may be a gray area but either way it wasn't consensual.

What if he was trashed too and doesn't remember anything either? What if she is the one that forced herself onto him and took advantage of him?

 

[FairestOfThemAll37]

What if he was trashed too and doesn't remember anything either? What if she is the one that forced herself onto him and took advantage of him?

If he was trashed and doesn't remember anything either, it won't matter if they can prove an assault took place. Being intoxicated is not an affirmative defense. She legally couldn't consent.

If there is evidence that she assaulted him then she can be brought up on charges for the same reason stated above.

This is part of the reason many colleges are teaching and preaching that nothing but a sober affirmative response equals consent

 

[anniemae]

It sounds like she was drugged to me. What an awful situation.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

It sounds like she was drugged to me. What an awful situation.

I think she was wasted at her apartment. She should have never left her apartment that night. She had two bottles of Ale and 8 shots of vodka before she left her apartment. I would be passed out after the two bottles and I would be in the ER because of the 8 shots!

 

[MickeySP]

In another article, it was said "She remembered drinking two bottles of ale and seven or eight shots of vodka before getting to the nightclub, records state."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...l-battery-downtown-disney-20150722-story.html

It sounds like she was drugged to me. What an awful situation.

Nope sounds like self inflicted drugging if anything. Do you know how long it takes that much alcohol to be absorbed in an average female ? Now that was before she arrived!!! She would still be legally drunk the next day.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

Obviously no matter how drunk one is, it doesn't justify rape. I hope they find that it wasn't, and she learns a valuable lesson.

With that said, the article says there was a used condom found near her. Not that it can't happen, but it would be very stupid for a rapist to leave a DNA sample right there next to a victim.

 

[MarcW]

If he was trashed and doesn't remember anything either, it won't matter if they can prove an assault took place. Being intoxicated is not an affirmative defense. She legally couldn't consent.

If there is evidence that she assaulted him then she can be brought up on charges for the same reason stated above.

This is part of the reason many colleges are teaching and preaching that nothing but a sober affirmative response equals consent

If they are both intoxicated why is the male held responsible and not the female if there is no signs of force? I thought the feminists told us that women were just as strong and capable of making their own decisions as men?

Honestly the latest generation of feminists make me ashamed to be a woman.

Edited to add that I didn't read the article and have no idea if this applies to this poor woman. Even if she put herself in a stupid position I still have sympathy for her.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

If they are both intoxicated why is the male held responsible and not the female if there is no signs of force? I thought the feminists told us that women were just as strong and capable of making their own decisions as men?

Honestly the latest generation of feminists make me ashamed to be a woman.

Edited to add that I didn't read the article and have no idea if this applies to this poor woman. Even if she put herself in a stupid position I still have sympathy for her.

Most of the rape laws, depending on the state, require "insertion" as a definition of rape. That's how these kinds of things happen.

 

[MickeySP]

Btw- really not meaning to be spellcheck but it's - incident

 

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

Obviously no matter how drunk one is, it doesn't justify rape. I hope they find that it wasn't, and she learns a valuable lesson.

With that said, the article says there was a used condom found near her. Not that it can't happen, but it would be very stupid for a rapist to leave a DNA sample right there next to a victim.

From my limited understanding that makes no difference they would do a rape test and find his DNA

 

[lauradis]

If they are both intoxicated why is the male held responsible and not the female if there is no signs of force? I thought the feminists told us that women were just as strong and capable of making their own decisions as men?

Honestly the latest generation of feminists make me ashamed to be a woman.

Edited to add that I didn't read the article and have no idea if this applies to this poor woman. Even if she put herself in a stupid position I still have sympathy for her.

I did read both stories and still agree with you....

Was this a case of force able rape? she was differently pass the legal limit of intoxication to consent... but what if he was pass the legal limit of intoxication too?
That would explain his stupidity to leave a used condom near them. This is a horrible thing for both of them if they where both intoxicated pass the point of reasonable thinking. what kind of person leave another person in the bushes? I don't like either of these people!

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

From my limited understanding that makes no difference they would do a rape test and find his DNA

I don't think so unless they find another kind. Hair or saliva maybe.

I'd think if DNA was that easy to find I'd think a lot more crimes would be solved.

 

[NHdisneylover]

I hope the person found is physically and emotionally OK and that she can get help for her substance abuse issues.

If they are both intoxicated why is the male held responsible and not the female if there is no signs of force? I thought the feminists told us that women were just as strong and capable of making their own decisions as men?

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I have to agree with this. I agree that being intoxicated makes you easy to manipulate by someone who is not, which is why "consent" is not really possible for someone totally inebriated, but that should go both ways, so if both parties were very intoxicated and no force was used, neither party was manipulated by the other and it should not be seen as rape in such circumstances. Sadly, it seems, often current culture and law do not agree.

While I absolutely do not condone the culture we have had for decades of mostly men taking advantage of mostly women by "getting her drunk" I cannot condone trying to fix it by putting ALL responsibility on the shoulders of men (which is both wrong from the standpoint of unfairly punishing men who drink over women who do the same and wrong from the standpoint of basically once again type casting women as helpless and unable to handle themselves in a way equal to men).

 

[DisneyPrince1982]

If he was trashed and doesn't remember anything either, it won't matter if they can prove an assault took place. Being intoxicated is not an affirmative defense. She legally couldn't consent.

If there is evidence that she assaulted him then she can be brought up on charges for the same reason stated above.

This is part of the reason many colleges are teaching and preaching that nothing but a sober affirmative response equals consent

Very rarely does someone ask, "Would you like to engage in intercourse?" What happens is a little kissing turns into feeling and the feeling turns into clothes dropping, etc. That's how intercourse happens. If the woman or man are both willingly taking off their clothes and assuming the positions, that's affirmative consent.

If one of the parties is passed out and not moving at all, sure that is obviously rape. We don't know that that is what occurred here.

 

[PollyannaMom]

This is a tough one. I hope they can find something on the security cameras to indicate whether he was dragging her behind the bar or they were both going of the own free will.

 

[elgerber]

I just read they arrested someone.