In Search of My Body....Not the One I ATE! Vol. 5: Goddesses are Always on Top!

Sunny - congrats on the loss

Lisa V - a loss is a loss so celebrate it. besides - you are stringing losses in a row so they will add up quick. Enjoy the quiet house tonight.

Amy - Awesome race report. Congrats on the times - especially when you consider the hills you had to face. Little D is getting big... anyway we can stop that??? They grow up so fast.

Nancy - good luck with the bugging / asking / annoying the crap out of her until she follows through tomorrow.

Not much to report here. Just working, water drinking and a whole lot of yawning on my part. JC weigh in is tonight. Not expecting much given the weekend food issues and TOM finally arriving (about a week late!!! one week of trying to control PMS binge eating is bad enough, but two weeks is just plain wrong!!!!)

It is quiet around here today - hope everyone is all right...
 
Oh - forgot to mention Bondi Bands totally rock!!!!

I finally ordered some and used one for the first time last Friday and loved it. I look a little wierd because my hair is short, but the sweat control just rocks so who cares right? (ok - so I do but I'll figure out a way to still look cute and all ;))

I ordered some basic black ones, one that says "breathe..." on it and one with a turtle on it that says "want to race?"

Why did I wait so long to order them????
 
Ok so I am officially back to work! The "BURN" has healed and I am now official property of the hospital again. THey have even called to see if I would work tonight.
Ok Funny story!
Stephen went with the kids on the field trip. Here in Chazy parents aren't allowed to ride the bus but must follow behind in their own cars. SO stephen chose to drive alone.All the other parents left before the bus. Stephen Followed the bus and the bus got on the ferry and ........ the ferry was full..... NO ROOM FOR STEPHEN. Stephen assumes that the bus will "wait" for him on the Vermont side! HAHAHA! My husband is directionally challenged! ( I left the cell in the car while in the doctors office) I got back to the car and there are no lie 20 missed calls! 1 FRANTIC voicemail, and a few text messages. I called him and said what is the matter. He was frantic the bus left and I don't know where I am going and I am worried about Zac. I told him where to go and then we lost connection. So after an 30 minutes of dropped calls, I got him there. I had also called the school and had the RN call the other the other diabetic's mom and let her know just to keep an eye on Zac till Stephen got there! I told Stephen NEXT TIME YOU RIDE THE BUS! YOU AREN"T ALLOWED TO DRIVE OUT OF STATE! (he is but I try not to let him.. to confusing for him). So all in all Stephen had a good day with four wild boys and learned how to get to the teddy bear factory all by himself!

Weigh in tonight!
 
Nancy I have been running for just over a year. I think my very first 5k about a year ago was about 44 minutes, since I could only run a little at a time. What a difference a year makes!

Paula So glad you like the bondi bands! I can not run without them!

LisaZ, Sunny WTG on the losses!!
 

Lisa V - a loss is a loss so celebrate it. besides - you are stringing losses in a row so they will add up quick. Enjoy the quiet house tonight.

Well how excited was I to see I had a loss! :lmao::laughing: And a house at that! :lmao::lovestruc;)

That would be Lisa Z. Darn it. :lmao:Lisa - Lisa - Lisa. Speaking of which where is Lisa P/R?


Oh Amy - you've made my Monday. :thumbsup2 A race report.:dance3: I'm eating it up. :woohoo:You look great. Fantastic times and with hills. That's so great. And Delena - when the heck did she go from half baby/half little girl to little girl. Holy crap - does it feel like overnight?
 
Well how excited was I to see I had a loss! :lmao::laughing: And a house at that! :lmao::lovestruc;)

That would be Lisa Z. Darn it. :lmao:Lisa - Lisa - Lisa. Speaking of which where is Lisa P/R?


Oh Amy - you've made my Monday. :thumbsup2 A race report.:dance3: I'm eating it up. :woohoo:You look great. Fantastic times and with hills. That's so great. And Delena - when the heck did she go from half baby/half little girl to little girl. Holy crap - does it feel like overnight?

oops....
 
Lisa - thank you. :goodvibes

Amy, you are just amazing. I am so impressed with you and proud! Oh, the pride! I hope you feel every wonderful second of it.

And did you all catch Amy's skinny skinniness? Those legs! I might eve run for those!

Kelly, I am so super sorry about your husband. Update? What did they say? Can he travel???

Nancy, seriously, what is up with Erin? Do you think it's something else, some reason she doesn't want to do it?


So this weekend was lovely. And now the sh$te is hitting the fan again. So my parents' trip is being canceled, and she might end up in the hospital again. I just soooo feel for them. This was their 40th anniversary trip. They have talked about Hawaii for 35 years! Always wanted to go, planned this for over two years, and now they have to cancel it. F&ck cancer.

She keeps going, keeps fighting, and it kills me that she doesn't even get this trip. And my dad, too. The two of them, for forty years, hanging on through the good and the very bad. Really, anyone that stays together that long should get an automatic trip! And he's worked so hard his whole life to be able to do this sort of thing, my dad.

But other than that, I'm awesome.

And I know we all have our stuff to deal with, our path, whatever. Look at all of us - each of us has a thing. RA, kidney disease, cancer, Alzheimer's , diabetes, I could just go on and on. And for each of us it's different, we don't know what it's like to be the other person. We empathize, but we still have to go a lot of it alone.

The piddly thing is we might be canceling our drive out to Chicago for Easter, to see my cousins. I just can't go if my mom is in the hospital.
 
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I will actually have the house to myself tonight!!!

Enjoy it! :goodvibes Well, as much as one *can* enjoy an evening of Jillian torture :laughing:


Not expecting much given the weekend food issues and TOM finally arriving (about a week late!!! one week of trying to control PMS binge eating is bad enough, but two weeks is just plain wrong!!!!)

That should be classified as "cruel and unusal punishment" :headache: and thereby against the law! :laughing:

Oh - forgot to mention Bondi Bands totally rock!!!!

Never ever have used a Bondi Band. :confused3 Are they really "all that"? Do I need to investigate?


My husband is directionally challenged!

I feel his pain! I too am directionally challenged. Big Time. Anytime I go anywhere out of my comfort zone, Stephen and his computer are on stand-by to figure out where the he!! I am and how to get where I need to go.

The joke in my house is: Mom is in a paper bag. The bag is open at both ends. AND it's wet. Mom still can't manage to get out of the paper bag. :eek: Aren't they just lovely to me? Sad thing is - it's so true. Even the GPS thingies confuse me.

Have I told you lately that I'm Amish? :rotfl:


Nancy I have been running for just over a year. I think my very first 5k about a year ago was about 44 minutes, since I could only run a little at a time. What a difference a year makes!

I am really proud of you Amy. You've come a long way, baby! :thumbsup2

Nancy, seriously, what is up with Erin? Do you think it's something else, some reason she doesn't want to do it?

I honestly don't know what to think at this point. Really - I have no reason to believe that she is lying about anything. She does do measurements (as in tape measure) for people....I just don't know. I feel really puffy and doughy after this weekend, so maybe I don't want to know tomorrow anyway. :laughing:

Always wanted to go, planned this for over two years, and now they have to cancel it. F&ck cancer.

:sad2: That is so sad. And so freakin' unfair. I'm so sorry for them, Liz. :grouphug:
 

Kelly - did I tell you I named a goat "Crumpet"? :laughing:

I love Crumpets! Great name for a Goat :lovestruc

EEEEk Kelly. Football a la soccer? How?

Yep, football a la soccer! Total accident, he jumped up to head the ball and landed funny and rolled his ankle - tore the ligaments :scared1:

Good Morning everyone!

Kelly, hope the hubby heals quickly. My DH isn't allowed to play basketball anymore, he has tried to play charity games with his team from high school twice. First time in 1991 and he tore his left achilles tendon and in 2006 he tore he right achilles tendon. No fun at all. But then again, he is out of achilles, maybe he'd be ok. :confused3

Challenge update:
WW - Lost 1 pound
Exercise 3x's this week
Water - all

Hope y'all have a GREAT Monday!

Sunny:sunny:

Ouch Sunny, that sounds painful!
Awesome on the loss :cool1:

Hey All,

Anyone want to read a race report?? Lisa V??? :lmao:

Great report, fantastic pictures you look great!

Lisa - thank you. :goodvibes

Amy, you are just amazing. I am so impressed with you and proud! Oh, the pride! I hope you feel every wonderful second of it.

And did you all catch Amy's skinny skinniness? Those legs! I might eve run for those!

I did! I'd kill for those legs!

Kelly, I am so super sorry about your husband. Update? What did they say? Can he travel???

He can travel! :cool1: Just got back from the hospital, they said it would be fine if he took it carefully and took the crutches with him. Ive got to ring the airline tomorrow and tell them he'll be taking them - dangerous weapons!

Nancy, seriously, what is up with Erin? Do you think it's something else, some reason she doesn't want to do it?


So this weekend was lovely. And now the sh$te is hitting the fan again. So my parents' trip is being canceled, and she might end up in the hospital again. I just soooo feel for them. This was their 40th anniversary trip. They have talked about Hawaii for 35 years! Always wanted to go, planned this for over two years, and now they have to cancel it. F&ck cancer.

Agreed. So so sorry they have to cancel :hug:

She keeps going, keeps fighting, and it kills me that she doesn't even get this trip. And my dad, too. The two of them, for forty years, hanging on through the good and the very bad. Really, anyone that stays together that long should get an automatic trip! And he's worked so hard his whole life to be able to do this sort of thing, my dad.

But other than that, I'm awesome.

And I know we all have our stuff to deal with, our path, whatever. Look at all of us - each of us has a thing. RA, kidney disease, cancer, Alzheimer's , diabetes, I could just go on and on. And for each of us it's different, we don't know what it's like to be the other person. We empathize, but we still have to go a lot of it alone.

The piddly thing is we might be canceling our drive out to Chicago for Easter, to see my cousins. I just can't go if my mom is in the hospital.

Nothing to say Liz but :hug: Im just so damn angry for you :hug:

It has been quiet around these parts. Hope everyone is ok :flower3:
 
Lisa - thank you. :goodvibes

Amy, you are just amazing. I am so impressed with you and proud! Oh, the pride! I hope you feel every wonderful second of it.

And did you all catch Amy's skinny skinniness? Those legs! I might eve run for those!

I did... Amy - those legs are amazing...

Kelly, I am so super sorry about your husband. Update? What did they say? Can he travel???

Nancy, seriously, what is up with Erin? Do you think it's something else, some reason she doesn't want to do it?


So this weekend was lovely. And now the sh$te is hitting the fan again. So my parents' trip is being canceled, and she might end up in the hospital again. I just soooo feel for them. This was their 40th anniversary trip. They have talked about Hawaii for 35 years! Always wanted to go, planned this for over two years, and now they have to cancel it. F&ck cancer.

She keeps going, keeps fighting, and it kills me that she doesn't even get this trip. And my dad, too. The two of them, for forty years, hanging on through the good and the very bad. Really, anyone that stays together that long should get an automatic trip! And he's worked so hard his whole life to be able to do this sort of thing, my dad.

Liz - I am at a loss as to what to say. I can't believe that your mom and dad can't go on their trip. That is just too heartbreaking. Sending you hugs, strength and a whole lot of prayers right now. :hug:


But other than that, I'm awesome.

And I know we all have our stuff to deal with, our path, whatever. Look at all of us - each of us has a thing. RA, kidney disease, cancer, Alzheimer's , diabetes, I could just go on and on. And for each of us it's different, we don't know what it's like to be the other person. We empathize, but we still have to go a lot of it alone.

The piddly thing is we might be canceling our drive out to Chicago for Easter, to see my cousins. I just can't go if my mom is in the hospital.

Liz - While you may feel alone right now, know that there are a group of people who are spread out around the globe who are thinking and praying for you and your mom right now. You are right in that ultimately, we each have to find a way to deal with what is going on in our lives, but it is nice to know that there is a group of people out there who try to do what they can so that you don't feel so alone - even if it is for a few fleeting moments. Hang in there. :hug:

And I am so with you on the F&ck cancer!!! That makes me get my angry eyes on!!!


That should be classified as "cruel and unusal punishment" :headache: and thereby against the law! :laughing:

So true...

Never ever have used a Bondi Band. :confused3 Are they really "all that"? Do I need to investigate?

Yes, you should. :) I like that they fit without feeling tight and they don't slip and slide the way some hair bands do. Of course if you don't like anything on your head or have an issue dealing with your hair, you may not need one. I on the other hand, sweat like a pig so anything I can do to keep sweat from rolling down my face and into my eyes is a bonus. As it is, I carry a towel with me during my workout to mop up.



I feel his pain! I too am directionally challenged. Big Time. Anytime I go anywhere out of my comfort zone, Stephen and his computer are on stand-by to figure out where the he!! I am and how to get where I need to go.

The joke in my house is: Mom is in a paper bag. The bag is open at both ends. AND it's wet. Mom still can't manage to get out of the paper bag. :eek: Aren't they just lovely to me? Sad thing is - it's so true. Even the GPS thingies confuse me.

Have I told you lately that I'm Amish? :rotfl:


The paper bag joke is just too funny.... :rotfl2:

Kelly - glad that your hubby could fly... Good luck getting the crutches on the airplane.
 
Hi! So I got thru the weekend. It was exhausting, Sandy wore a pedometer and she walked 20,000 steps Sat and 10,000 Sunday, so I did AT LEAST that. Weather was beautiful, crowds were plentiful and everyone was happy.

Liz - I'm so sorry about your momma. :wizard: You're right, they deserve a trip. Stupid Cancer! Glad you had a nice weekend with J. Do you know what she's having?

Paula - glad you're back. Gracious, what a weekend. Yeah, I was wondering about the "bondis" also.

Amy - I did catch the gams! I'm so jelous! Delena, so cute. Thanks for the race report.

Amiee - Hi! Awful quiet on your part.

Steph - love the pics and thanks for the recipe. I'm making this, like tonight, but I don't have chips.

Dawn - loved your pics too. I liked the sassy green. So sorry for the gal at church! Devastating. And your attitude is awesome. Perspective.

E - glad you had a good weekend. We need to color eggs. I think this year I'm going to drain the egg so I can soak up all the color possible on the shells. I so love colors.

Kat - yaay for the one year lease renewal! Awesome news.

Roddy - I didn't realize how badly you struggled with RA. Thats horrible.

LisaV - the apartment looked awesome. Hope you get it.

LizaPR - thinking of you!

Sunny - great job on the loss. I totally forgot there was a challenge here.

LisaZ - enjoy the quiet, I spent the better part of the morning home, it was calm.

Kelly - your husband! Yikes! You two were meant to be.

Nancy - exhausting weekend. Yes, goat naming. I'll think of something.

Banana allergy? Weird, must be a vampire thing.

Hi to all!
 
Lisa - thank you. :goodvibes

Amy, you are just amazing. I am so impressed with you and proud! Oh, the pride! I hope you feel every wonderful second of it.

And did you all catch Amy's skinny skinniness? Those legs! I might eve run for those!

Kelly, I am so super sorry about your husband. Update? What did they say? Can he travel???

Nancy, seriously, what is up with Erin? Do you think it's something else, some reason she doesn't want to do it?


So this weekend was lovely. And now the sh$te is hitting the fan again. So my parents' trip is being canceled, and she might end up in the hospital again. I just soooo feel for them. This was their 40th anniversary trip. They have talked about Hawaii for 35 years! Always wanted to go, planned this for over two years, and now they have to cancel it. F&ck cancer.

She keeps going, keeps fighting, and it kills me that she doesn't even get this trip. And my dad, too. The two of them, for forty years, hanging on through the good and the very bad. Really, anyone that stays together that long should get an automatic trip! And he's worked so hard his whole life to be able to do this sort of thing, my dad.

But other than that, I'm awesome.

And I know we all have our stuff to deal with, our path, whatever. Look at all of us - each of us has a thing. RA, kidney disease, cancer, Alzheimer's , diabetes, I could just go on and on. And for each of us it's different, we don't know what it's like to be the other person. We empathize, but we still have to go a lot of it alone.

The piddly thing is we might be canceling our drive out to Chicago for Easter, to see my cousins. I just can't go if my mom is in the hospital.

Fu#$in' sighing big time. So flippin' not fair. I just have so many swear words in my head.

I'm so sorry Liz. So sorry. :hug:

Yes, one never knows the pain/feelings when we haven't gone there. So true Liz.

When people are a$$es I hold that - not in a vengeful way - just life might show them in time - I hope not - but if they can't deal with compassion now - life shows us somehow.




I love Crumpets! Great name for a Goat :lovestruc



Yep, football a la soccer! Total accident, he jumped up to head the ball and landed funny and rolled his ankle - tore the ligaments :scared1:



Ouch Sunny, that sounds painful!
Awesome on the loss :cool1:



Great report, fantastic pictures you look great!



Nothing to say Liz but :hug: Im just so damn angry for you :hug:

It has been quiet around these parts. Hope everyone is ok :flower3:

I love crumpets too. And goats. :lmao:

So let me read again. He's okay for the flight I would guess, eh? Does he play rep Kelly?




Hi! So I got thru the weekend. It was exhausting, Sandy wore a pedometer and she walked 20,000 steps Sat and 10,000 Sunday, so I did AT LEAST that. Weather was beautiful, crowds were plentiful and everyone was happy.

Liz - I'm so sorry about your momma. :wizard: You're right, they deserve a trip. Stupid Cancer! Glad you had a nice weekend with J. Do you know what she's having?

Paula - glad you're back. Gracious, what a weekend. Yeah, I was wondering about the "bondis" also.

Amy - I did catch the gams! I'm so jelous! Delena, so cute. Thanks for the race report.

Amiee - Hi! Awful quiet on your part.

Steph - love the pics and thanks for the recipe. I'm making this, like tonight, but I don't have chips.

Dawn - loved your pics too. I liked the sassy green. So sorry for the gal at church! Devastating. And your attitude is awesome. Perspective.

E - glad you had a good weekend. We need to color eggs. I think this year I'm going to drain the egg so I can soak up all the color possible on the shells. I so love colors.

Kat - yaay for the one year lease renewal! Awesome news.

Roddy - I didn't realize how badly you struggled with RA. Thats horrible.

LisaV - the apartment looked awesome. Hope you get it.

LizaPR - thinking of you!

Sunny - great job on the loss. I totally forgot there was a challenge here.

LisaZ - enjoy the quiet, I spent the better part of the morning home, it was calm.

Kelly - your husband! Yikes! You two were meant to be.

Nancy - exhausting weekend. Yes, goat naming. I'll think of something.

Banana allergy? Weird, must be a vampire thing.

Hi to all!

Yeah!!!! Yeah she's back! :lovestruc

Glad to hear it went well.

My condo listing. I'm convinced it faces the expressway at the listing price.

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I'm starting to get worried about Erika cause I always worry when I don't see her. So guys say "hi" for me, okay?

And Ms. Kit Kat - where are you? :lovestruc

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Hey! As for Amy's legs. My Amy leg bandwagon is full. :lmao::rotfl: Eh Amy? :lmao:;)

Lucky you.
 
So I've decided to make Easter dinner a luau. We are all going to wear Hawaiian shirts. I just bought a ton of decorations and leis at the party store. I ordered a pineapple ham. I am researching other yummy Hawaiian-like recipes. I am sticking a tub of those frozen drinks I happened to have in my house in the freezer - Blue Hawaii's. I called the best bakery and left a message to order a special 40th anniversary Hawaii themed cake.

Also, bought one of those luau CDs, and darn if those tunes don't make me feel better. So, music. Old movies like Blue Hawaii on the TV in the background. My inlaws and us dressed in grass skirts. The house decorated in a slightly cheesy, over the top, way. This is what my parents will walk into.
 
Liz-- :hug: so sorry to hear that your parents won't be able to go on their trip. That sucks. But the easter luau sounds great!

Ummm, I think I need to quite posting pics that have my legs in them. :lmao::lmao: Thanks for the compliments everyone. Running and pilates have been great for my legs. I just need my flabby post baby midsection to catch up with my legs.

And, yes, Delena has grown up overnight. Dh and I were talking about it this weekend. Such a little girl now. About makes me ready for another little one. Not quite though.
 
So I've decided to make Easter dinner a luau. We are all going to wear Hawaiian shirts. I just bought a ton of decorations and leis at the party store. I ordered a pineapple ham. I am researching other yummy Hawaiian-like recipes. I am sticking a tub of those frozen drinks I happened to have in my house in the freezer - Blue Hawaii's. I called the best bakery and left a message to order a special 40th anniversary Hawaii themed cake.

Also, bought one of those luau CDs, and darn if those tunes don't make me feel better. So, music. Old movies like Blue Hawaii on the TV in the background. My inlaws and us dressed in grass skirts. The house decorated in a slightly cheesy, over the top, way. This is what my parents will walk into.

God I love your house. :surfweb:
 
Ummm, I think I need to quite posting pics that have my legs in them. :lmao::lmao: Thanks for the compliments everyone. Running and pilates have been great for my legs. I just need my flabby post baby midsection to catch up with my legs.

And, yes, Delena has grown up overnight. Dh and I were talking about it this weekend. Such a little girl now. About makes me ready for another little one. Not quite though.

Don't do that. We need the legs to aspire to Amy! :laughing:;)

How are you feeling about work? Amy, I know you so want to get back but I smiled for Delena today - thinking she's had you - and she looks so incredibly happy.
 
LisaV-- Thinking about work alot. All the time actually. That AC repair is really going to hit our budget hard. I don't like that. If I had a job, it wouldn't have been such a big deal. And as selfish and superficial as this may sound, I want to be able to take my vacations, and indulge my VB and coach purse addiction.

Mostly though, I love being a science dork. Love working in the lab, thinking up experiments and carrying them out. I miss it. So, I am applying for more jobs. Applied for a research position today over at the moffitt cancer center on the USF campus. Would love to do cancer research. Hopefully something will come along in the next few months. Of course I am torn because I do love being home with delena and the last 6 months I have had with her at home have truly been priceless. I am hoping to get something part time so I could do both.
 
So this weekend was lovely. And now the sh$te is hitting the fan again. So my parents' trip is being canceled, and she might end up in the hospital again. I just soooo feel for them. This was their 40th anniversary trip. They have talked about Hawaii for 35 years! Always wanted to go, planned this for over two years, and now they have to cancel it. F&ck cancer.

She keeps going, keeps fighting, and it kills me that she doesn't even get this trip. And my dad, too. The two of them, for forty years, hanging on through the good and the very bad. Really, anyone that stays together that long should get an automatic trip! And he's worked so hard his whole life to be able to do this sort of thing, my dad.

But other than that, I'm awesome.

And I know we all have our stuff to deal with, our path, whatever. Look at all of us - each of us has a thing. RA, kidney disease, cancer, Alzheimer's , diabetes, I could just go on and on. And for each of us it's different, we don't know what it's like to be the other person. We empathize, but we still have to go a lot of it alone.

The piddly thing is we might be canceling our drive out to Chicago for Easter, to see my cousins. I just can't go if my mom is in the hospital.

Liz my heart goes out to you and your family! It's just horrible that they can't go!

So I've decided to make Easter dinner a luau. We are all going to wear Hawaiian shirts. I just bought a ton of decorations and leis at the party store. I ordered a pineapple ham. I am researching other yummy Hawaiian-like recipes. I am sticking a tub of those frozen drinks I happened to have in my house in the freezer - Blue Hawaii's. I called the best bakery and left a message to order a special 40th anniversary Hawaii themed cake.

Also, bought one of those luau CDs, and darn if those tunes don't make me feel better. So, music. Old movies like Blue Hawaii on the TV in the background. My inlaws and us dressed in grass skirts. The house decorated in a slightly cheesy, over the top, way. This is what my parents will walk into.
I am on my way to your house! That sounds so fun! You need to take a picture of them as they walk in!

Erika where are you!???:rolleyes1
So my internet is S L O W tonight! DAM Wi-Fi.

Ok so last night I was on FB. I was just looking at an old friends page and joined a group that he belonged to for our old school. I noticed there was another group for students in another town... a town that I had a boyfriend in. This would be the boy who I dumped two weeks before the prom. So what did I do I searched for him..... I did NOT find him but found his sister. Not even thinking.. I shot her an email. I asked if it was her and I mentioned a few things that I knew about her and asked if she was her than to have her brother email me. So this afternoon I was checking my email and there was a message from FB saying I had a message from his sister. I read it think it would say yes or no this is me or not her who you are looking for. NOPE IT WAS FROM HIM! :scared1: He said he was glad to hear from me and that he doesn't use the computer all to much and for me to call him and he gave me two numbers. I think I must have turned a few shades of color from pink to red to white! Not sure if I want to call him although I think of him.. I always wonder what he did after I dumped him because he was very hurt, when I did it. SO WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK DO I CALL OR DON'T CALL:confused3:confused3. I mean NoTHING would come of this except for I don't know emails about nothing. SO what does one do when they opened a can of worms.
 





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