In Search of My Body....Not the One I ATE! Vol. 5: Goddesses are Always on Top!

Erika, I have a question for you. What is your favorite kind of beans? I love beans and not just because they're the musical fruit.

:lmao:You are some kinda funny!


I like all beans. I have no #1 bean. No top beanana. No numero uno. All beans are equal to me.

Speaking of, the bean pie. Looks so awesome. I'm gonna have to make that.
 

:lmao:You are some kinda funny!


I like all beans. I have no #1 bean. No top beanana. No numero uno. All beans are equal to me.

Speaking of, the bean pie. Looks so awesome. I'm gonna have to make that.

Well, beans are just wonderful. They're like the perfect food and they make the following several hours after dinner entertaining. :lmao:

I mean, what more could you ask for? :rotfl2:
 
It's true, beans are like nutritionally perfect. And I am so accustomed to eating them, that I don't get any digestive side effects (how's that for a euphemism? :rotfl2:). And I am part vampire, so that helps. ;)

I guess I would have to say that my favorite are black beans. I just use them in everything I make with beans. So versatile. I use them in Mexican cooking, and then I have this Caribbean Black Beans and Rice dish, and a southwest dish and so on. I don't like garbanzos, and tolerate limas. But all others are fine.

Lyz. :goodvibes
 
And Lyz and Nancy--shhhh! Shut. it. Stop with all of the compliments. You are going to make Roddy impossible to live with! :rotfl2::lmao:
 

Interesting. I like pretty much all beans, too. I love Lima beans and navy beans. Pintos are probably my favorite. I like garbanzo beans for the hummus but I don't care for them just to eat. I am looking to expand my bean horizons, though. One thing I like to do is to take a can of pinto or kidney beans, drain and rinse them, and put them into a regular salad.

Butt trumpet is a nice euphemism! :lmao:
 
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I really like beans but I never use them. I need some more bean recipes. And not these suggestions, but, like a real recipe! Help a sister out, would you? ;) Yes, must try the bean pie.

C25K W1, D2, completed!
 
So, here is the breakdown: at 1700 I gained. At 1300-1500 I maintain. So the logical thing says to go below 1200. But I just don't think that is (1) healthy or (2) sustainable for me.

So here is my plan and everyone feel free to critique the hell out of it, because I am out of ideas:

--Stay in the same calorie range but drastically increase my protein. I have the whey powder and using that I can increase my protein by 52g per day which will get me to 80-120g/day. (Make substitutions like instead of a Fiber One bar, have a 100-cal protein drink. I don't have Fiber One bars often, but just as an idea of how I plan to make the change.)

--Change my workouts to be more interval-heavy and less cardio-focused

--Focus my workouts on more weight lifting as opposed to resistance.


I do remember. (that's kinda why I asked ;)). And I agree with your assessments.

I just pulled out my stuff from when I had an "intervention" at the gym :rolleyes1 Two trainers and the gym owner sat me down and gave me the "lecture" :mic: And as I look at it, I'm kinda putting my tail between my legs- because as I *thought* I was doing pretty well, I'm realizing that I may not be doing exactly what they told me. I may track calories again at some point here soon just to make sure that my WW points are where I think they are calorie-wise.

Anyway - for losing fat and maintaining/gaining muscle this is what my suggested eating guidelines are:

1900 calories per day split into 5-6 evenly spaced meals (roughly every 3 hours) aiming for an average of 380 calories per "feeding".

Each meal is to be centered around my protein source - aiming for 19g of protein and 8g fat per meal.

Workouts- focus on strength training with moderate cardio.
Mon-full body weights
Tues - cardio
Wed - 4 -5 muscle groups w/light cardio to follow
Thurs - circuit - weights with intermittent cardio bursts
Fri - full body weights
Sat - cardio

I recall nearly falling out of my chair at the thought of eating that much. But I promised to give it 2 weeks. And I found that I felt much better, my energy level was up, and lost fat pounds while gaining muscle mass. I think one of the biggest changes was that I was eating small amounts more constantly - as a society we are so focused on the "big dinner meal". Changing that mindset for me was a big step, and one of the major keys to my success I think. My dinner is no bigger than any other meal - and honestly it is typically less WW points then my post-workout meal.


So - I guess what I'm telling you in a round-about way is I agree with your plan. Focus on protein. And strength training. And I'd probably try to get 1300-1500 calories the nutritionist suggested for a week or two and see how it goes.


Now. I started this post at 10:15 this morning (what does that say about my day! :laughing:). I'm sure I have loads to catch up on!
 
4 MORE DAYS TILL KIDS SHOW H E L L week will be over! :woohoo:

Honey, I feel your pain! :hug:

I am up to my eye balls in house remodeling that is not going as smooth as I hoped.

Basement still? Or a new project? :confused3


Let you know more later but if me going to the hospital for Carsyn's surgery yesterday morning and finding out they moved it to next Tuesday

what the ???? :headache: How does that happen? I hope they had a dang good reason

Switching from being a low carb czar to low cal freak is weighing on me. I am so freaked out about going over the top on calories that I end up coming in way under and I know that's bad.

Why is it that we are never as obsessed with food as when we are trying to lose weight? I am constantly thinking. Planning. Plotting even. My next meal. I get to eat in "x" minutes. What shall I have? What sounds yummy. Oh I know. No wait. For dinner....it's enough to make me insane! :rotfl2:

Of course, anyone else that wants to tell me their favorite bean, feel totally free!

Umm...hello? Such a silly question. Jelly Beans of course ;)
 
Liz! I just had a break thru thanks to YOU!

While you need to cut calories to lose, you don't have to maintain at that level! How have I not even realized this. And I even lived it. I lost weight cutting calories. And then I started eating more, but the weight didn't come back. And THEN I really started eating even more, and the weight DID come back. But the little bump, the safety bump is there.

THIS IS BIG! I keep thinking I can't live like this. But I don't have to. Just until.
 
I do remember. (that's kinda why I asked ;)). And I agree with your assessments.

I just pulled out my stuff from when I had an "intervention" at the gym :rolleyes1 Two trainers and the gym owner sat me down and gave me the "lecture" :mic: And as I look at it, I'm kinda putting my tail between my legs- because as I *thought* I was doing pretty well, I'm realizing that I may not be doing exactly what they told me. I may track calories again at some point here soon just to make sure that my WW points are where I think they are calorie-wise.

Anyway - for losing fat and maintaining/gaining muscle this is what my suggested eating guidelines are:

1900 calories per day split into 5-6 evenly spaced meals (roughly every 3 hours) aiming for an average of 380 calories per "feeding".

Each meal is to be centered around my protein source - aiming for 19g of protein and 8g fat per meal.

Workouts- focus on strength training with moderate cardio.
Mon-full body weights
Tues - cardio
Wed - 4 -5 muscle groups w/light cardio to follow
Thurs - circuit - weights with intermittent cardio bursts
Fri - full body weights
Sat - cardio

I recall nearly falling out of my chair at the thought of eating that much. But I promised to give it 2 weeks. And I found that I felt much better, my energy level was up, and lost fat pounds while gaining muscle mass. I think one of the biggest changes was that I was eating small amounts more constantly - as a society we are so focused on the "big dinner meal". Changing that mindset for me was a big step, and one of the major keys to my success I think. My dinner is no bigger than any other meal - and honestly it is typically less WW points then my post-workout meal.


So - I guess what I'm telling you in a round-about way is I agree with your plan. Focus on protein. And strength training. And I'd probably try to get 1300-1500 calories the nutritionist suggested for a week or two and see how it goes.


Now. I started this post at 10:15 this morning (what does that say about my day! :laughing:). I'm sure I have loads to catch up on!

Okay, see, this makes sense. 1900 is your maintenance calorie level.

However, to lose weight, you have to create a calorie deficit. In essence, temporarily "starving" the body of what it needs to maintain.

The industry standard on this is 3500 cals = 1 lb. So, if you create a 3500 calorie deficit a week, you will lose 1 lb a week. 3500/7 = 500, so if you ate 1400 calories a day, you would lose 1 lb a week. Cut more, and you lose more rapidly. You would have to go below half of your basal metabolism, so 950 as evidenced by the 1900 calories, to even touch your metabolic rate.

The "starvation mode" myth is really that after you hit half your basal metabolic needs, that your metabolism slows down a bit, but not enough to really affect weight loss in that moment ("bounce back" and other stuff notwithstanding). To hit this, you have to go low enough that your calorie deficit is so high that you will still lose. This is why you don't see a fat anorexic. ;)


As to the exercse = calories burned = therefore I can eat more thing, I tend to err on the side of ignoring that. I don't tend to believe that I am burning as many calories as "they" say I am (i.e. it is not an exact science)...


Lyz, yes. Maintaining is definitely not the same lifestyle as losing. Same idea, but with more "give".
 
Liz! I just had a break thru thanks to YOU!

While you need to cut calories to lose, you don't have to maintain at that level! How have I not even realized this. And I even lived it. I lost weight cutting calories. And then I started eating more, but the weight didn't come back. And THEN I really started eating even more, and the weight DID come back. But the little bump, the safety bump is there.

THIS IS BIG! I keep thinking I can't live like this. But I don't have to. Just until.

Love it! do you know what my WW leader says? The difference between losing and maintaining is a bowl of ice cream. :rotfl: And it's sooo true. That's four points, about 200 calories. So there you go. The point is not to lose weight and go back to eating ice cream, but to use those 4 points or 200 calories a day for something better. So it IS lifestyle on one hand, but not on the other.

Nancy, I just use the simple 50 calories to a WW pt formula. So, if you're eating an average of 25 pts a day, that's an average of 1250 calories per day. Of course fat and fiber are factored in, but this is just the very simple way I calculate it.
 
Okay, see, this makes sense. 1900 is your maintenance calorie level.

However, to lose weight, you have to create a calorie deficit. In essence, temporarily "starving" the body of what it needs to maintain.

The industry standard on this is 3500 cals = 1 lb. So, if you create a 3500 calorie deficit a week, you will lose 1 lb a week. 3500/7 = 500, so if you ate 1400 calories a day, you would lose 1 lb a week. Cut more, and you lose more rapidly. You would have to go below half of your basal metabolism, so 950 as evidenced by the 1900 calories, to even touch your metabolic rate.

The "starvation mode" myth is really that after you hit half your basal metabolic needs, that your metabolism slows down a bit, but not enough to really affect weight loss in that moment ("bounce back" and other stuff notwithstanding). To hit this, you have to go low enough that your calorie deficit is so high that you will still lose. This is why you don't see a fat anorexic. ;)


As to the exercse = calories burned = therefore I can eat more thing, I tend to err on the side of ignoring that. I don't tend to believe that I am burning as many calories as "they" say I am (i.e. it is not an exact science)...


Lyz, yes. Maintaining is definitely not the same lifestyle as losing. Same idea, but with more "give".

Excellent point, Kat. I couldn't have said it better. I lost most of my weight this way. As you know, it worked better for me going by feel and seeing how my body reacted vs counting the actual calorie deficits. Regardless, it's the same principle. I eat a good sized, well-balanced (99% of the time) meal a day and that works great for me. When I first started doing this and everyone wanted to know my "secret" to losing weight, I got the "you're starving yourself, that's dangerous, it's unhealthy, bad for your body" all that BS. Though I resisted, I wanted to say to them, "ok, you say this is unhealthy but what about being obese the rest of my life?" All this, of course, coming from people that needed to be following my lead and losing 70 - 100 pounds themselves. I mean, where did the idea come from that we're not suppose to have empty stomachs for a couple of hours a day and how did that become a health risk? Anyway, I've been doing it for 2-3 years now and I don't get sick as much as I used to, feel better than I used to and I am in a healthy weight range now. So, the results speak for themselves.

Love it! do you know what my WW leader says? The difference between losing and maintaining is a bowl of ice cream. :rotfl: And it's sooo true. That's four points, about 200 calories. So there you go. The point is not to lose weight and go back to eating ice cream, but to use those 4 points or 200 calories a day for something better. So it IS lifestyle on one hand, but not on the other.

Nancy, I just use the simple 50 calories to a WW pt formula. So, if you're eating an average of 25 pts a day, that's an average of 1250 calories per day. Of course fat and fiber are factored in, but this is just the very simple way I calculate it.

LIZ!!! I think I'm going to print your post and give it to my sister. My biological sister, that is. Eh, Kat ;)? She was been on WW several times in her life and continuously failed at it for the very reason you just posted. You have no idea how many times I've been talking to her and she is adding her points for the day and heard her say, "I have x amount of points left, I can have cake", "I have x amount of points left, I can eat ice cream". She's one of the ones that told me my style of weight loss is unhealthy, yet, she's close to 100 lbs overweight. My usual retort would be, "Well, why don't you use those points to snack on cucumbers with FF dip or carrot sticks", but I don't know what I'm talking about. Needless to say, she's not on WW anymore. I don't think she's even trying to lose weight now. Anyway, I'll shut up, great psychic articulation of my point, Liz! :thumbsup2

:lmao:
 
Wow - there is a lot of good info flying on the board today. Love it...

I don't have anything new to add though, but I do have a question for you bean lovers out there.

I want to eat more beans because they are so good for you, but I am not a fan of the texture of them. Am I not cooking them right or something? I'm with Liz - need some recipies and techniques so that I can work them into my meal plans.

Thanks...

Oh and I'm with Nancy on the jelly beans being my favorite...
 
Okay, see, this makes sense. 1900 is your maintenance calorie level.

However, to lose weight, you have to create a calorie deficit. In essence, temporarily "starving" the body of what it needs to maintain.

The industry standard on this is 3500 cals = 1 lb. So, if you create a 3500 calorie deficit a week, you will lose 1 lb a week. 3500/7 = 500, so if you ate 1400 calories a day, you would lose 1 lb a week. Cut more, and you lose more rapidly. You would have to go below half of your basal metabolism, so 950 as evidenced by the 1900 calories, to even touch your metabolic rate.

See, so much of this is fact. But, much of it is individual, so a one-size-fits most straight-up formula doesn't fly with me. I am not by any stretch a scientist, but my personal experience has been different.

Yes. I agree that it takes a calorie deficit of 3500 cal=1lb loss. BUT. I do not agree that the 3500 calorie "change" has to come entirely from your food. Or even from calories burned during exercise.

I have lost weight successfully by using the severe calorie limitations. But - as a result I lost not only fat but muscle mass as well. Therefore, my body needed less calories to maintain that weight.

By building muscle, you burn more calories at rest. So in theory, your basal metobolic rate will increase so your calorie intake doesn't need to be slashed as significantly to result in that 3500 calorie deficit. It has been my experience that quite the opposite is true. In fact, when I don't eat enough calories and protein, my body will feed itself from my muscle - thereby creating a whole counter-productive scenario.

However - I should say, that this is what I encounter when I'm where I am right now. Just a mere 2 pounds from my goal. Sure. I could slash calories and lose weight in a week or so, but I'd do so by losing muscle and that is not the direction I personally want to go.


In May of 2001 I was 142.0 pounds with 24.7% body fat.
In July of 2007 I was 142.2 pounds with 21% body fat.

(um yeah. I have records :rolleyes1)

It was in the spring of 2007 that I did the "Biggest Loser" challenge at my then-gym and I was eating the 1650-1700 calories a day, focusing on strength work and building muscle, and seeing the results that I was after. That's where I'm trying to get again.


Like Lyz, I want to be able to be "real". And I know that if I lost the weight by eating like a bird, as soon as I start eating what SHOULD be considered a "maintanece" diet I'll gain it back, because I would have sacrificed the muscle that is so very important to me, just for a number on a scale.




Nancy, I just use the simple 50 calories to a WW pt formula. So, if you're eating an average of 25 pts a day, that's an average of 1250 calories per day. Of course fat and fiber are factored in, but this is just the very simple way I calculate it.

Interesting way to ball-park.

This is what I have in my journal from 3 days when I was double-tracking. WW points and calories

Mon - 30 points / 1677 calories
Tues - 28 points / 1705 calories
Wed - 28 points / 1730 calories

I thought I had done it for longer than that- must be in a different journal. Lord knows, I've had a few at this point in my life. :rolleyes1
 
I think what we are once again going to find is, there is no one right way to do this. So much depends upon your lifestyle and ultimate goals. Each person will have to struggle thru the process to find what is right for them.

Sorry guys - no quick easy formula to follow!
 
Nancy. I want to be very very clear that I am NOT talking about you or your weight loss or your body. AT ALL. I am talking in general. And in general, most people who lose weight are not in danger of losing muscle. Cause fatties don't HAVE muscle to lose! :rotfl: And by fattie, I mean Heavy Liz. Not Nancy or anyone else.

I am probably years away from being in danger of losing muscle. 2lbs, where you are, is subtle, long term changes to your life, food, and body. You're talking athlete stuff here, but frankly most of us aren't there.

As for the WW pts, that's what I have been told by leaders, that 50 calories is about a point. And it seems to track for you, right? Because you are eating things high in fiber, which may be more calories but less points. Seems to make sense to me.

But again, Kat and Roddy and I are talking basic weight to lose on basic, non-fit people. It's not a criticism of you or your plan. It's just an observation. Let's face it, most of us lie about what we should be doing and what we do. We say it doesn't count, or that doesn't apply to me or whatever. But for most of us, it does. So please don't take this general opinion as a specific comment on your life. Now, Kat, you should take it personally...

Kidding! Of course!!! :rotfl:
 

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