If they bring back the draft

[LuvDuke]

In the most respectful way possible, I would suggest avoiding the rush and leaving now.

I'll say this somewhat less repectfully. Some of the biggest water carriers for Bush's Iraq debacle have made it very clear they aren't willing to fight in this war, aren't willing to pay for it, but then want to jump on the bandwagon of "America ......... love it or leave it".

Soldiers wouldn't have to be going back to Iraq 2 and 3 times if the 101st keyboard division got off their ***** (and high horse) and volunteered to shoulder some of the burden. But, noooo! Heaven forbid. Instead they listen to chickenhawk rightwing radio, put magnetic yellow ribbons on the back of their car, wrap themselves in the flag, and listen to chickenhawk Toby Keith singing "We'll Put A Boot In Your ***".

The rest of us have been "putting the boots on" out of necessity, if yanno what I mean.

 

[kittysmom]

I served in the United States Marines for 8 years, 1996-2004. Although my mother, like the OP, was very much against my service, I waited until I turned 18 and joined. I can say it was the best thing that I have done in my life. I learned so much discipline, dedication and hardwork. There are many kids these days that do not learn these qualities because their parents give them everything and try to shelter them. I feel that serving your country is your duty. Although many things have changed since I served, I would serve again.

 

[ducklite]

Canada will no longer accept "draft dodgers" and just packing up and moving there isn't as easy as it sounds.

That said, I'd have no problem with all young adults having to spend a gap year either serving in the military (even in non-combative roles) or serving in the Peace Corps or something along those lines.

Fortunately I do'nt need to worry about the "what would you do's" as my 20 YO son was rejected from four branches of the service for medical reasons.

For the record I didn't vote for W. and I think he's one of the worst things to happen to this country since Warren G. Harding. Too bad we couldn't take all the sons and daughters of those who did vote for him and send them to fight his war. My guess is that a disproportionate number of soilders and their families did NOT vote for Bush--either time.

Anne

 

[WDWMom]

Well, I'm not so worried about my sons being drafted as one is asthamtic and the other has poor eye sight and can not function without his glasses. But I am worried about my 15 year old DD. She is athletic and intelligent and can kick some major butt, would be a prime candidate for the military. Thank God she is not interested though. But if she were called to be drafted, or the boys, I would not run. I feel I have benefitted from the rewards of living in the USA (as have my children) and it would be their duty as citizens.

 

[disneylizzy]

Boo Hoo .Don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.

DITTO

 

[TCPluto]

In the most respectful way possible, I would suggest avoiding the rush and leaving now.

Very well stated.

 

[TCPluto]

if the 101st keyboard division got off their ***** (and high horse) and volunteered to shoulder some of the burden.

The rest of us have been "putting the boots on" out of necessity, if yanno what I mean.

Who is in this division you're talking about? And what are you suggesting with the "the rest of us", statement?

 

[rie'smom]

My older son was draft age for the Gulf War and my younger son is draft age for this war. Both know that we have the resources to help them leave should the draft be reinstituted but they have said that they will fight for their country. My politics are just that-mine. My sons are independent thinking men and they both have their ideas of right and wrong. We may not agree on politics but I'm very proud of them.

 

[disneyfan67]

Who is in this division you're talking about? And what are you suggesting with the "the rest of us", statement?

From what I gather it's anyone who at one time or still does support the President, the Iraq war, and listens to talk radio, but doesn't enlist to fight in Iraq. You missed the last thread where JoeEpoctRocks was appointed the Chief commander by the leftwingers on that thread. The Judge was telling us conservatives who didn't enlist to go to a VA hospital and empty bedpans. If the subject wasn't so serious, some of the responses would have been funny.
Oh, it was quite the thread and got locked down when the usual suspects got nasty and heated, like they always do.


As for "the rest of us comment" they're probably referring to themselves and how only they can be considered patriots by opposing the war, the President, everything he says and does. I think the last comment of "putting on the boots", means they're the ones carrying the load, even though they're using the same keyboards we do, and don't serve either. Nobody want this war to be over faster than me, but if you supported the war in anyway or the President at one time, then you're labeled for life around here.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

I'm thinkin' -"puttin' on the boots" refers to how "it" is piling up from the "keyboard division"!!!! (I was thinkin' it was kinda obvious, but....)LuvDuke can correct me if I am wrong!

 

[TCPluto]

From what I gather it's anyone who at one time or still does support the President, the Iraq war, and listens to talk radio, but doesn't enlist to fight in Iraq. You missed the last thread where JoeEpoctRocks was appointed the Chief commander by the leftwingers on that thread. The Judge was telling us conservatives who didn't enlist to go to a VA hospital and empty bedpans. If the subject wasn't so serious, some of the responses would have been funny.
Oh, it was quite the thread and got locked down when the usual suspects got nasty and heated, like they always do.


As for "the rest of us comment" they're probably referring to themselves and how only they can be considered patriots by opposing the war, the President, everything he says and does. I think the last comment of "putting on the boots", means they're the ones carrying the load, even though they're using the same keyboards we do, and don't serve either. Nobody want this war to be over faster than me, but if you supported the war in anyway or the President at one time, then you're labeled for life around here.

Thanks fo the clear up.

It really threw me when he went on about how HE was doing something..

 

[LuvDuke]

From what I gather it's anyone who at one time or still does support the President, the Iraq war, and listens to talk radio, but doesn't enlist to fight in Iraq.

Yup, want the war, believe in the war, but is very happy to let someone else do the fighting aka: Chickenhawk. That about sums it up.

You missed the last thread where JoeEpoctRocks was appointed the Chief commander by the leftwingers on that thread. The Judge was telling us conservatives who didn't enlist to go to a VA hospital and empty bedpans.

Seems like a noble endeavor and much more noble then just sticking a magnetic yellow ribbon on the back of one's car to advertise one's support.

Emptying a few bed pans at a VA hospital might just open a few eyes to see how grand and glorious war really is.

If the subject wasn't so serious, some of the responses would have been funny.
Oh, it was quite the thread and got locked down when the usual suspects got nasty and heated, like they always do.

SSDD.

As for "the rest of us comment" they're probably referring to themselves and how only they can be considered patriots by opposing the war, the President, everything he says and does.

No one ever made that claim, so stop putting words in people's mouth.

I think the last comment of "putting on the boots", means they're the ones carrying the load, even though they're using the same keyboards we do, and don't serve either.

"Putting the boots on" means the bull**** is starting to build up and you don't want to be walking around in bare feet.

Btw, why would someone want to fight in a war they never supported? I would think the war supporters would want that honor. Yeah, guess again.

Nobody want this war to be over faster than me, but if you supported the war in anyway or the President at one time, then you're labeled for life around here.

There are a lot of former supporters of this war and this president around here who finally opened their eyes who aren't being labeled, whatever the hell that means.

However, it still begs the question why someone would support a war they're not willing to fight in or pay for? It's a legitimate question and the only excuse not given is probably the truth ............ they don't want to. End of story.

 

[NewJersey]

My God, you people are like vultures.

Luckily for me, I'm homosexual and would tell them in an instance I am so I wouldn't have to go to war. Call me a coward? Go ahead, but I would never fight in Iraq and feel so lucky that there are thousands of men and women over there who chose to.

 

[disneyfan67]

I'm thinkin' -"puttin' on the boots" refers to how "it" is piling up from the "keyboard division"!!!! (I was thinkin' it was kinda obvious, but....)LuvDuke can correct me if I am wrong!

That would make more sense and that's why I put "probably" in there. My point of them being on the message boards and using the same keyboards as the people they poke fun of, still stands. If you're support the war or are against it, if all you do is b**ch and moan about it, you're no better than who you deride and poke fun at. If the litmus test for supporting any military action ever, is for you to serve on the ground, then that's a form of censorship, IMO. That's like saying you can't have opinion on anything unless you have done what you're supporting or talking about. For the record I never asked Bush to invade Iraq or did I wrap myself in a flag. I supported the action as soon as the military hit the ground, because I always want the troops and America to succeed. Right or wrong and regardless of what party controls the WH, it's my country and I support it.

 

[LuvDuke]

My God, you people are like vultures.

Vulture .......... more like a bird of prey.

Luckily for me, I'm homosexual and would tell them in an instance I am so I wouldn't have to go to war. Call me a coward? Go ahead, but I would never fight in Iraq and feel so lucky that there are thousands of men and women over there who chose to.

Finally, an honest answer.

 

[Saffron]

I'll say this somewhat less repectfully. Some of the biggest water carriers for Bush's Iraq debacle have made it very clear they aren't willing to fight in this war, aren't willing to pay for it, but then want to jump on the bandwagon of "America ......... love it or leave it".

Soldiers wouldn't have to be going back to Iraq 2 and 3 times if the 101st keyboard division got off their ***** (and high horse) and volunteered to shoulder some of the burden. But, noooo! Heaven forbid. Instead they listen to chickenhawk rightwing radio, put magnetic yellow ribbons on the back of their car, wrap themselves in the flag, and listen to chickenhawk Toby Keith singing "We'll Put A Boot In Your ***"....

Very well stated and I couldn't agree with this post more!

In the fall of 2000 I was in the parking lot of my college getting out of my car, when I saw a bunch of young students putting fliers on cars. They were only a car or two down from me, so I waited until they got near me so I could accept the flyer by hand, I didn't want to peel it off my windshield later. I thanked them, they thanked me and they went about their way, putting more fliers on the cars in the parking lot. I walked up to the door of the building reading the flyer. The flyer read: "Don't vote for Bush! He will start a war with Iraq and YOU will have to fight there to finish what his daddy started." I chuckled to myself because I thought they were a bit naive. I handed the flyer to one of my professors who took it, smashed it as hard as he could into a ball, then threw it into the trash while he declared, "That's a bunch of ***". I was shocked at his reaction to say the least.

Fast forward to January 2003, and all I could see were the faces of those kids in the parking lot, putting fliers on cars.

OP ... I understand what you're saying and I support you and your feelings on this particular war and wanting to protect the children you love. I don't have a problem with anything you've posted.

When it comes to Iraq, if drafted I wouldn't leave, just because I wouldn't. I wouldn't fight either, not for THIS war. If I were drafted (I'm way too old and female) I would ask to go before a draft board as a consciencious objector, or ask to remain stateside. If I couldn't do either, I'd simply not show up and go to jail and "pay my debt to society". For me it's not about "serving my country when called", that's a bunch of bull donkey when it comes to THIS particular war, it's about not being willing to take arms against people we should never have taken arms against in the first place. I feel this war is wrong on so many levels, if I were to be drafted and made to go to Iraq, I would have to know I was doing "the right thing" before I would go willingly. If drafted and assigned to Afganistan or another station around the world, that would be a different story.

 

[LuvDuke]

I'm thinkin' -"puttin' on the boots" refers to how "it" is piling up from the "keyboard division"!!!! (I was thinkin' it was kinda obvious, but....)LuvDuke can correct me if I am wrong!

Very astute and on the money.

 

[TCPluto]

Vulture .......... more like a bird of prey.

I don't think the way you promote your position is anything to equate with honor Luvy.

For most, it's ok to hold an opposing view without the name calling you and yours resort to.

Really it's ok to be civil. Give it a try....

 

[manning]

I'd be out of here so fast you wouldn't even see me leave and I'm not at all ashamed to say it. We'd probably go to Australia, where my husband is from.

Hope your leaving soon!!!!! Why wait for the draft. It's a shame everyone wants freedom, but everyone don't want to fight for it.

Those guys we are fighting are down right ugly. The smarter thing to do is get off this foreign oil dependency. Do that and we don't have to worry about where to get it and by not buying their oil you vastly reduce their ability to fund what they are doing.

 

[manning]

It was war. I didn't run when I got drafted. One thing that feels good is that someone else didn't have to take my place. I'm not a coward!!