I Was Ready to Put Contemporary DVC Rumor to Bed...But

[spiceycat]

moving up.

 

[WI_DisneyFan]

When I first saw the plans for the "C" shaped CR DVC building, I wasn't happy. The CR holds a special place in my heart, as it is the first (and thus far only) onsite resort I've stayed at. So for the longest time I've thought that I didn't like it because I didn't want a big new building there. But now I realize that I'm not opposed to the construction of a CR DVC. I just hate the design. I think the "C" building looks ugly, and would really look out of place next to the clean angles of the A-frame tower. I think if they would build a more "normal" looking building there that would fit in with the current tower; it would look a little better. My hope is that the drawing that was leaked was more of a concept design, much like new sports stadiums go through many concept designs before a final design is agreed upon.

 

[nuts]

When I first saw the plans for the "C" shaped CR DVC building, I wasn't happy. The CR holds a special place in my heart, as it is the first (and thus far only) onsite resort I've stayed at. So for the longest time I've thought that I didn't like it because I didn't want a big new building there. But now I realize that I'm not opposed to the construction of a CR DVC. I just hate the design. I think the "C" building looks ugly, and would really look out of place next to the clean angles of the A-frame tower. I think if they would build a more "normal" looking building there that would fit in with the current tower; it would look a little better. My hope is that the drawing that was leaked was more of a concept design, much like new sports stadiums go through many concept designs before a final design is agreed upon.

You are spot on. There are over 30 concept art diagrams in DVC's hands for various projects. Some might actually be implemented, and others not. CRV isn't looking good according to my source (not impossible, but unlikely). Lots of folks are jumping to conclusions over a water shed project at the STOL. Folks are assuming this means demolition of the North Wing. Time will tell.

 

[Mama2Matthew]

I just looked at the water management site again and saw this. So, what does the Contemporary Suites mean? I'm still hoping that it will be DVC...

 

[3DisneyKids]

I just looked at the water management site again and saw this. So, what does the Contemporary Suites mean? I'm still hoping that it will be DVC...

Ooooooooh...the plot thickens! I just went to that page and they have taken the info. down! Wonder what THAT means?!?!

 

[rantnnravin]

I just looked at the water management site again and saw this. So, what does the Contemporary Suites mean? I'm still hoping that it will be DVC...

14.25 acres, huh? wish the documents were up like on the other one.

 

[asianway]

You are spot on. There are over 30 concept art diagrams in DVC's hands for various projects. Some might actually be implemented, and others not. CRV isn't looking good according to my source (not impossible, but unlikely). Lots of folks are jumping to conclusions over a water shed project at the STOL. Folks are assuming this means demolition of the North Wing. Time will tell.

Yes, obviously removing hundreds of rooms from inventory, moving the furniture out, putting nothing back in, preparing a staging area for construction, and filing permits for demolitions means we shouldnt assume the building is coming down. Have you been by the north wing recently? I think your source really has no clue what is going on.

 

[Mama2Matthew]

14.25 acres, huh? wish the documents were up like on the other one.

Unfortunately, I don't think the documents will be up anytime soon. There still aren't any documents on the VAKL application and that's been up for a while. I was surprised to see 14 acres- the VAKL entry is only for 4.7 acres.

I'm still not sure what to think. I remember reading one rumor that there would be new construction but that it wouldn't be for DVC. Do you think they would do something in the way of the family suites at the ASMu? I'm still leaning towards DVC, but will take any concrete info so I can finally stop speculating.

 

[DC7800]

When I first saw the plans for the "C" shaped CR DVC building, I wasn't happy. The CR holds a special place in my heart, as it is the first (and thus far only) onsite resort I've stayed at. So for the longest time I've thought that I didn't like it because I didn't want a big new building there. But now I realize that I'm not opposed to the construction of a CR DVC. I just hate the design. I think the "C" building looks ugly, and would really look out of place next to the clean angles of the A-frame tower. I think if they would build a more "normal" looking building there that would fit in with the current tower; it would look a little better

I enthusiastically agree, with one critical exception: It would be a mistake to demolish the north Garden Wings. The Contemporary is part of Disney history - one of only two resorts to be there on opening day - and the loss of the north wing would compromise the 'theme' of the resort. We've already lost the Vacation Villas and Club Lake Villas without a trace - but the Contemporary - as a distinctive, original WDW resort - is far more important historically.

Preservation of history in no way, of course, precludes necessary and very appropriate refurbishments, additions, extensive remodeling, or even a DVC add-on. But leave the garden wings in place. If you think such historical preservation here is misplaced or unimportant, consider how you would feel if tommorrow the announcement came that Disney was tearing down the castles in WDW and Disneyland. Now, the Contemporary doesn't occupy the same status as the castle, but just where do you draw the line? Once history is lost, its gone forever. Probably the Vacation Villas weren't so 'historic', and thus worthy of preservation (any location will always hold senntimental value to somebody, of course), but the Contemporary (in its entirety) is a symbol of Walt Disney World.

I am not at all opposed to a Contemporary DVC (though I tend to think there are even better locations on and off the Monorail), but it needs to be done the right way, particularly in such a prominent location practically at the gates of the Magic Kingdom. The 'leaked' design clearly isn't the right way - either in location or architectural styling.

 

[willidc]

14.25 acres, huh? wish the documents were up like on the other one.

I was able to access the document just a few minutes ago by doing a simple search. Here is what I captured. Perhaps someone more sophisticated in the computer arena can format this a little better. I was only able to do a copy and paste, but at least we now have this.

I'm not sure why we couldn't access this information for a while tonight, but it is there now.

You can go to the SFWMD site and type in the Appl No and the Permit No and have a look for yourself.

It does say "Disney's" Contemporary Suites. Doesn't that mean that this area will be retained by the hotel rather than DVC?



Appl No#: 061106-23 Permit#: 48-00714-S Received Date: 06-Nov-2006

Issuing Office: ORL Status: Initial Review


Permit Type: Surface Water Management (General Permit Modification)

Project Acres: 14.25

Project Name: Disney'S Contemporary Suites Receiving Body: Bay Lake

Location: Orange S11,12/T24/R27 Landuse(s): Commercial

SWM Reviewer: Annette Burkett -> (407)858-6100
ENV Reviewer: Nicole Simotes -> 3814

Applicant: Reedy Creek Improvement District Kathryn Boes Kolbo Po Box 10170 Lake Buena Vista FL 32830-0170
Owner: Walt Disney World Co Inc Lee Schmudde Po Box 10170 Lake Buena Vista FL 32830
Engr Consultant: Drmp Inc Doug Dyer 1505 E Colonial Dr Orlando FL 32803

File Location:

30-Day Deadline: 06-Dec-2006



Project Description:



Contact Email Id: permits@sfwmd.gov

 

[vonpluto]

Ooooooooh...the plot thickens! I just went to that page and they have taken the info. down! Wonder what THAT means?!?!

It could mean that the site was overloaded by bug-eyed Disneyholics trying to figure out what's goin' on.

 

[rantnnravin]

I was able to access the document just a few minutes ago by doing a simple search. Here is what I captured. Perhaps someone more sophisticated in the computer arena can format this a little better. I was only able to do a copy and paste, but at least we now have this.

the other one had pdfs of the applications/ maps, descriptions of intended work, etc.
they aren't any attached to this permit application yet

 

[OneMoreTry]

I enthusiastically agree, with one critical exception: It would be a mistake to demolish the north Garden Wings. The Contemporary is part of Disney history - one of only two resorts to be there on opening day - and the loss of the north wing would compromise the 'theme' of the resort.

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I am not at all opposed to a Contemporary DVC (though I tend to think there are even better locations on and off the Monorail), but it needs to be done the right way, particularly in such a prominent location practically at the gates of the Magic Kingdom. The 'leaked' design clearly isn't the right way - either in location or architectural styling.

I agree from the standpoint of how a tower would affect the skyline around the Contemporary Hotel. But I don't think the North Wing building itself is that important.

 

[nuts]

Yes, obviously removing hundreds of rooms from inventory, moving the furniture out, putting nothing back in, preparing a staging area for construction, and filing permits for demolitions means we shouldnt assume the building is coming down. Have you been by the north wing recently? I think your source really has no clue what is going on.

Yes, you are correct. I am glad you showed me my errors with your insightful analysis.

 

[spiceycat]

the north wing is not in good shape. If it was they would have most of the rehab done by now.

they are hardly working on it.

sorry but it looks like it might be coming down. Now if they place a DVC resort or nothing (which I don't think is happening).

however I do agreed - this building should not be as tall as the Cont.

It would be 14 floors and still be grand.

 

[spiceycat]

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Preservation of history in no way, of course, precludes necessary and very appropriate refurbishments, additions, extensive remodeling, or even a DVC add-on. But leave the garden wings in place. If you think such historical preservation here is misplaced or unimportant, consider how you would feel if tommorrow the announcement came that Disney was tearing down the castles in WDW and Disneyland. Now, the Contemporary doesn't occupy the same status as the castle, but just where do you draw the line? Once history is lost, its gone forever. Probably the Vacation Villas weren't so 'historic', and thus worthy of preservation (any location will always hold senntimental value to somebody, of course), but the Contemporary (in its entirety) is a symbol of Walt Disney World.

You certainly don't want to come and live near me. the old houses some as old 100 year - some even older - are being torn down right and left - and new houses (little mansion) are replacing them.

It is really getting silly - less than a mile from where I live - there are at least 20 doing it now. the entire neighborhood is being replace.

Disney is a business. If the Cont always turned a profit - it would be one thing.

but until this latest rehab - it has empty rooms. Disney does NOT like empty rooms.

DVCers would give the Cont that extra bit of money it needs. We come even during hurricanes... We also spend alot of money. Especially if the Cont is smart enough (and it is) to have clothes and just about anything else with the DVC cont on it. or just the new Cont. (if it is build)

I know you love the Cont - but a DVC would not hurt it - believe me - it would help it.

the plans here on the Dis do one thing - it takes the building out of direct sight with the Cont.

another plan might not. that would not be a good thing. To not be able to see the water from the bay lake tower would hurt the Cont much more.

this plan move the building over enough that no one loses their view.

they can't do that with the South wing - not enough room to move it.

 

[kdzgon]

Ooooooooh...the plot thickens! I just went to that page and they have taken the info. down! Wonder what THAT means?!?!

I think it means links to search results do not work. Go to Application/Permit Search and enter Walt Disney World as Company. The Contemporary Suite will be on the first page of results, and "Dvc @ Dakl Animal Building Construction Access" will be on p 2 of results. (Just use "Walt Disney World" without "Co" or "Inc" etc, as the DVC has "Walt Disney World Hospitality & Recreation Corp." as the owner, not "Walt Disney World Company")

 

[kdzgon]

(cont)

on the second pg of search results, I found this (emphasis mine):
I'm not sure if this permit was posted before or not, so I am posting as I don't have time to re-read the entire thread right now.
Appl No#: 060713-12 Permit#: 48-00714-S Approved Date: 06-Sep-2006
Issuing Office: ORL
Permit Type: Environmental Resource (General Permit Modification)
Expiration Date: Project Acres: 2.89
Project Name: Dvc @ The Contemporary Construction Trailer Compound Receiving Body: Reedy Creek Via Reedy Creek Improvement District Master System
Location: Orange S13/T24/R27 Landuse(s): Commercial
Applicant: Reedy Creek Improvement District Kathryn Boes Kolbo Post Office Box 10170 Lake Buena Vista FL 32830-0170
Owner: Walt Disney World Company Lee Schmudde P O Box 10170 Lake Buena Vista FL 32830-0170
Engr Consultant: Drmp Inc Doug Dyer 1505 E Colonial Drive Orlando FL 32803
Oper Entity: Reedy Creek Improvement District

 

[Mama2Matthew]

(cont)

on the second pg of search results, I found this (emphasis mine):
I'm not sure if this permit was posted before or not, so I am posting as I don't have time to re-read the entire thread right now.
Appl No#: 060713-12 Permit#: 48-00714-S Approved Date: 06-Sep-2006
Issuing Office: ORL
Permit Type: Environmental Resource (General Permit Modification)
Expiration Date: Project Acres: 2.89
Project Name: Dvc @ The Contemporary Construction Trailer Compound Receiving Body: Reedy Creek Via Reedy Creek Improvement District Master System
Location: Orange S13/T24/R27 Landuse(s): Commercial
Applicant: Reedy Creek Improvement District Kathryn Boes Kolbo Post Office Box 10170 Lake Buena Vista FL 32830-0170
Owner: Walt Disney World Company Lee Schmudde P O Box 10170 Lake Buena Vista FL 32830-0170
Engr Consultant: Drmp Inc Doug Dyer 1505 E Colonial Drive Orlando FL 32803
Oper Entity: Reedy Creek Improvement District

Yes, this was posted at the beginning of the thread. The attachments with that application are from July. It was approved at the beginning of September. The Contemporary Suites application was submitted Nov. 6.

 

[kdzgon]

I think these drawings were posted before, but again, "just in case":
http://my.sfwmd.gov/cmsdk/content/ifs/apps/RegDocFolder/Applications/060713-12_Application_38516.pdf

and

Construction Plans
These are accessible by doing the search outlined above and then clicking on the "appl no#" at the upper left of the permit info on the search result page(s).