I was not allowed to use rocking chairs at Baby Care Center

[dzorn]

Well I do not think Disney cares how you feed your child. What they want is to lessen complaints about breastfeeding in public. Yes we know women have a right to breast feed at disney anywhere they want, but still doesn't help the poor CM that have to deal with the unreasonable peoples complaints.

Some women are not comfortable breastfeeding in public, which can change the let down reaction which means the baby will not be fed as much if the mother is uncomfortable. I would suspect that more of those breastfeeding mom's seek out the BCC than attempt to feed else where in the parks.

Disneys is trying to deal with people needs not just wants or desires with the space they have.

I also doubt if guest service have had complaints about someone bottle feeding an infant in the park which is why they have not dedicated a space for people to bottle feed an infant in the BCC, but still have equipment to warm bottle that are needed for bottle fed infants.

Oh and just because it is a nursing room doesn't necessarily mean it is quiet. A double breast pump can make quite a noise!

Denise in MI

 

[livndisney]

They do have an area out of the heat. It just doesn't have rocking chairs. And as far as Disney not hurting for cash, they wouldn't be offering so many incentives to visit WDW as they are if they were not huring for business. It makes more sense for them to spend money on updates that the majority of people will see or use then to spend money on more rocking chairs that a minority of the people will use.

Maybe if enough people write in and suggest more rockers, Disney will add them when the economy improves. Venting here, while it might make you feel better, does not really help the cause.

Or given the way Disney seems to be handling things lately, if people complain about not be allowed to use the rocking chairs when not BF, they will just remove them all together.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Or given the way Disney seems to be handling things lately, if people complain about not be allowed to use the rocking chairs when not BF, they will just remove them all together.

Maybe people should complain that there are too many chairs, so they will add more.

 

[annette20071]

Hey, it's LAW that women are allowed to BF anywhere. It was deemed a biological neccessity to feed the child. So if they get complaints, post a notice of the law and file them in the circular file. I tried BF my son, but due to a certain issue, it was deemed not viable for me. Why can't my child have a quiet area to feed also out of the heat (ie in the AC)? If there's not enough rockers or chair, add some or build some extra area for the non nursing moms away from the "family" area. I'm sorry, but Disney is not hurting for cash enough to deprive a few moms of a rocker.

It is not Disney's responsibility to provide you with a place to feed your child. Where is the sense of entitlement coming from? Disney is a business. They try to keep as many of their customers happy as they can so they come back. As has been said several times - Disney is trying to keep the numerous people who do not like NIP happy more so than the nursing moms. However, there has to be some incentive for nursing moms to make that trek to the BCC. Therefore they try to keep those few chairs available.

If enough people wanted a place to bottlefeed them I am sure one would eventually be provided. However, I don't see that demand coming anytime soon. It is too convenient for the majority of bottlefeeding moms to bottle feed wherever they happen to be instead of trekking to the Disney bottle feeding area (not saying it isn't easy for a lot of moms to nurse anywhere - but Disney is trying to keep complaints to a minimum). It almost makes me think of the smoking areas! Disney prefers nursing moms to nurse in that room - however they are not allowed by law to limit nursing to that room like they can with the smoking areas. Why would they provide a bottlefeeding room? It would not make business sense to do so unless the vast majority of the visitors want one.

Also, they can't make everyone happy. The main room is supposed to be used for whatever care babies need which does not need to be done in private - by Disney's definition and not anyone elses. This would include bottle feeding. Also, it is air conditioned in the whole BCC, not just the nursing room. However, people complain that there is nothing for older siblings to do to keep them entertained while mom and dad are caring for baby. So, Disney adds a TV and coloring area. Now, we have people complaining there is too many distractions.

 

[Suellen]

Okay... just can't resist. Could you imagine if disney had a room for bottle feeding moms ONLY. I bet people would be writing to Obama. But a room for breast feeding moms ONLY is just fine.

So let's say the added the second room for bottle feeders and it was the same as the one for breast feeders and the one for brf'ing moms was full and she wanted to go in the bottle feeding room. Do you think it would be okay to say "sorry the breastfeeding room is full and this here bottle feeding room is completely empty ~ but that room isn't for you ~ you'll have to wait"

IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. It shouldn't be allowed to happen the other way either.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

But it has nothing to do with feeding methods!!! It is about ****s being flashed. What is so hard about that concept?

 

[Zeebs]

When was the room for breastfeeding mums put in? was it there before the law allowing breastfeeding in public without fear of being asked to leave?

Those who have sent letters to Disney regarding their rules have they had a response regarding their issues.

I still maintain it is not a case of one way or another of feeding your child is better so you should get better facilities. Just that as a business, Disney is doing their best to stop the most amount of people complaining.

Disney are damned if they do and damned if they don't in this case.

Kirsten

 

[designermv]

There is NO NEED for Disney to provide a "Bottle Feeders Only" room because bottle feeders DON'T EXPOSE THEIR BREASTS to feed their babies. I am 1000000000% certain that Disney is not "discriminating" against bottle moms, they just can't let the nursing moms room be a free-for-all because that takes away the guarantee of an available PRIVATE space. They don't care how you feed your baby! They just care if they have guests complaining about women whipping their ****s out in public! Give those women a closed-off space where they can't offend anyone, and they will get less complaints. People are making it sound like the nursing moms room comes with massage chairs, free drinks, cabana boys, facials, foot rubs, nannies and a private chef. For pete's sake people, it's just a freaking room where they can sit without having to worry about offending anyone. If they got complaints about the sight of bottle feeding moms, they'd probably give them a space too. But since you don't need a **** to feed a baby a bottle, you don't need a private space.

Do we have a beating a dead horse smiley?

 

[annette20071]

This is the last time I defend myself in this post ~ then I will conclude my short venture into the family subforum.

Nope ~ never read a single thing here on Disboards about it. Sorry ~ maybe I am not frequenting the right threads.

I didn't say I have never seen it or I don't believe it. I specifically said I DO BELIEVE it. I said I don't believe it as in "I am in AWE that people can be so rude" I did say I believe I read something about something here in Maine at Sam's club at some point in the past 5 years but that I generally avoid the news in print and on tv.

I DID say I have not HEARD PERSONALLY someone say something to a Nursing Mom. I DID say that I have been treated like I was a bad mom for bottle feeding by breastfeeding moms (this specific incident occured at the Children's Museum) where a mom starting chatting with me and saying how cute Z was and she couldn't believe she was "walking" already... yada, yada ~ cute kid. So do you BF? No I bottle feed. Back turned conversation over.

I've had BF moms try to convince me I should BF my second dd (while I was still PG). I have had it pointed out to me that BF children are smarter and healthier. So essentially ~ my kids will sickly little dummies because I couldn't BF. I notice that SOME BF moms are all about sharing with you the REASONS they chose to BF and the REASONS why you should ~ without ever considering that maybe, just maybe you didn't have the choice.

I do not say ALL. I try not to say things like "Everyone who does ...." I avoid using words like everyone, never, normal or abnormal.


My kids are beyond the bottle feeding, breastfeeding debate at this point. So I will just take my stupid, sick, poor seeing little feeble children and feed them some carrots at a TS.

See ya! Off to make sure none of you "nice" ladies are using my free sit and stand stroller. What a friendly bunch of moms.

I didn't mean for my post to come off how you apparently took it. I said you might not be paying as much attention to this issue since it is not important to you which is why you don't notice the issue. However, your posts haven't been all nice and fuzzy, so you might want to cut down on taking offense. BF nazi's????? That gives all the bf moms a fuzzy feeling I am sure. And, I won't get off track on the whole stupid, sick, bottle feeding thing which is what it seems like you want to do. That is really not being debated here.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

And God forbid, anyone who disagrees with her participating in HER stroller share.

 

[Gabes_mommy]

I think the heart of this issue is how society/other mothers make women who can't breastfeed feel.

I always planned on BFing DS, but he refused. Even after working with 3 lactation consultants he would not latch on. I cried a lot. I felt so guilty about not BFing him that I pumped exclusively for him for 8 months until my milk dried up.

Now my DS is 3.5 and I am so sad and disappointed with myself that I allowed myself to be made to feel guilty. I now know that I am an amazing mother - I don't have to prove it by BFing.

BFing is best, but as this thread proves it doesn't work for everyone. Non-BFing mothers are not 2nd class citizens and I hate that sometimes others make them feel that way.

I do know several BFing nazis - I don't let them bother me because I am fully confident as a mother, but I often wonder how they would handle it if they couldn't BF a child for some reason.

All that to say, I am actually not outraged by bottle feeding mothers not being able to use the BFing room - I am just sad that it hurts some bottle feeding mothers feelings.

How you feed your child is only a small part of who you are as a mother.

 

[Suellen]

I didn't mean for my post to come off how you apparently took it. I said you might not be paying as much attention to this issue since it is not important to you which is why you don't notice the issue. However, your posts haven't been all nice and fuzzy, so you might want to cut down on taking offense. BF nazi's????? That gives all the bf moms a fuzzy feeling I am sure. And, I won't get off track on the whole stupid, sick, bottle feeding thing which is what it seems like you want to do. That is really not being debated here.

You will see I didn't originally use those words and put it in " "'s because that is a term someone else used.

My posts were fine until I started getting attacked about not having personally heard anything said to a BFing mom. And my use of the term "I can't believe" even though I clearly said I do believe but "can't believe"

I would be curious to hear what people have PERSONALLY overheard or had said to them about NIP. I have been taking a poll and and no one I asked has heard or been spoken to about NIP. I don't believe it doesn't happen.

As I said before ~ it could be a case of where you live and where you frequent.

And God forbid, anyone who disagrees with her participating in HER stroller share.

Nope ~ could care less if you disagree with me. I don't like being called a liar.

I'll also say this: I haven't heard a bottle feeding mom trying to badger a breastfeeding mom into changing over to a bottle ~ yet I have heard the opposite again and again and again.

 

[maxiesmom]

Disney are damned if they do and damned if they don't in this case.

Kirsten

 

[livndisney]

When was the room for breastfeeding mums put in? was it there before the law allowing breastfeeding in public without fear of being asked to leave?

Those who have sent letters to Disney regarding their rules have they had a response regarding their issues.

I still maintain it is not a case of one way or another of feeding your child is better so you should get better facilities. Just that as a business, Disney is doing their best to stop the most amount of people complaining.

Disney are damned if they do and damned if they don't in this case.

Kirsten

I am pretty sure that room was there when my neice was little. And she just turned 17.

And I agree Disney is getting from both sides. I don't think it is fair. Disney set up a little room with a few chairs so "heaven forbid" Mom's who wanted to bf in private would be allowed too and people still complain.

 

[iheartdisney]

I would be curious to hear what people have PERSONALLY overheard or had said to them about NIP. I have been taking a poll and and no one I asked has heard or been spoken to about NIP. I don't believe it doesn't happen.

As I said before ~ it could be a case of where you live and where you frequent.

Since you asked last week, a friend of mine in Idaho was at the YMCA for homeschool activites and was discreetly nursing and someone asked her to move to the bathroom. She replied by asking for the manager, and asking him if he woud eat his lunch in the bathroom today!

Bottom line: society doesn't "make" anyone feel anything. You (and again, a general "you", not a personal one. Hate that I have to clarify) assign those feelings yourself and attatch them yourself (psych 101)

This is not a breastfeeing vs bottlefeeding discussion, but for the fact that people are defensive and keep bringing it back there. If someone does not hold a fastpass, they cannot use the fastpass line. If someone doesn't hold whatever they need for the meet and greets, they cannot access that feature. If you are not handicapped, you cannot use the handicapped entrances to attractions. And Dinsey has assigned a small room to be for the use of nursing moms.
Has anyone in the main feeding area ever asked if the lights could be dimmed while bottlefeeding? I would be interested to know.

And I wasn't argueing that toddlers weren't welcome, but pointing out the fact that over the course of this thread, we have decided that Disney needs to furnish
*A room exclusively for nursing moms
*A room for pumping moms
*A room exclusively for bottlefeeding moms, identical to the room for nursing moms
*An integrated room, so bottlefeeding moms felt they were not excluded and they can see nursing moms were not getting anything they weren't
*A nursing room for dads or creepy uncles that want to hang out and watch nursing and pumping moms
*A room with a TV and coloring books for todddlers.
*Another nursing room, with a TV so nursing moms and their kids won't be bored, so those nursing moms don't have to sit in the dark
*We'll probably need a room with video games for older children who need an air-conditioned break
*A ID wristband distribution center
*Smokers aquariums

Looking at the list above, I think we have found the new purpose of the Wonders of Life pavillion- the new Resort Wide Baby Care Center!

 

[scrappingizlife]

I'm so sorry this has happened to you. I know exactly how you feel about not being able to breastfeed. I dried out from one to the next. I dont' think this is fair at all. A hungry baby is a hungry baby. Just because the baby's not being BF doesn't mean s/he should be treated any differently. I agree wtih a PP. I think I will write them as well, cuz it's just wrong!!! and I was told once that when a Disney employee is being rude to you, you should tell them that it's not very Disney of them and see how fast they change their attitude. Disney is very big on trying to keep people happy. Employees go through extensive Disney mannerism training.

 

[livndisney]

Since you asked last week, a friend of mine in Idaho was at the YMCA for homeschool activites and was discreetly nursing and someone asked her to move to the bathroom. She replied by asking for the manager, and asking him if he woud eat his lunch in the bathroom today!

Bottom line: society doesn't "make" anyone feel anything. You (and again, a general "you", not a personal one. Hate that I have to clarify) assign those feelings yourself and attatch them yourself (psych 101)

This is not a breastfeeing vs bottlefeeding discussion, but for the fact that people are defensive and keep bringing it back there. If someone does not hold a fastpass, they cannot use the fastpass line. If someone doesn't hold whatever they need for the meet and greets, they cannot access that feature. If you are not handicapped, you cannot use the handicapped entrances to attractions. And Dinsey has assigned a small room to be for the use of nursing moms.
Has anyone in the main feeding area ever asked if the lights could be dimmed while bottlefeeding? I would be interested to know.

And I wasn't argueing that toddlers weren't welcome, but pointing out the fact that over the course of this thread, we have decided that Disney needs to furnish
*A room exclusively for nursing moms
*A room for pumping moms
*A room exclusively for bottlefeeding moms, identical to the room for nursing moms
*An integrated room, so bottlefeeding moms felt they were not excluded and they can see nursing moms were not getting anything they weren't
*A nursing room for dads or creepy uncles that want to hang out and watch nursing and pumping moms
*A room with a TV and coloring books for todddlers.
*Another nursing room, with a TV so nursing moms and their kids won't be bored, so those nursing moms don't have to sit in the dark
*We'll probably need a room with video games for older children who need an air-conditioned break
*A ID wristband distribution center
*Smokers aquariums

Looking at the list above, I think we have found the new purpose of the Wonders of Life pavillion- the new Resort Wide Baby Care Center!

I think the former Milenium Village is actually bigger so they might want to use that instead.

And what about adoptive parents? Don't they deserve a "special" place too?

 

[Mouse House Mama]

I wanted to mention something that hasn't been said yet. (who knew?) BF a child is not always simple for the Mom. If she is stressed and can't relax she will not "let down" and then the baby can't be fed. Some Moms need that quiet room to actually produce the food for the baby. This isn't a problem for FF babies.
I still don't think it is such a big deal. I BF and I think I may have actually used the BBC to nurse maybe twice. I did use the quiet room and it was helpful because my child wasn't looking all around while I tried not to flash everyone. To me though the chairs are uncomfortable and I found many quiet areas throughout every park. I also couldn't imagine going anywhere if the only way my child could eat was in a dimly lit room being rocked. To each their own though.

 

[tink1969]

Since you asked last week, a friend of mine in Idaho was at the YMCA for homeschool activites and was discreetly nursing and someone asked her to move to the bathroom. She replied by asking for the manager, and asking him if he woud eat his lunch in the bathroom today!

Bottom line: society doesn't "make" anyone feel anything. You (and again, a general "you", not a personal one. Hate that I have to clarify) assign those feelings yourself and attatch them yourself (psych 101)

This is not a breastfeeing vs bottlefeeding discussion, but for the fact that people are defensive and keep bringing it back there. If someone does not hold a fastpass, they cannot use the fastpass line. If someone doesn't hold whatever they need for the meet and greets, they cannot access that feature. If you are not handicapped, you cannot use the handicapped entrances to attractions. And Dinsey has assigned a small room to be for the use of nursing moms.
Has anyone in the main feeding area ever asked if the lights could be dimmed while bottlefeeding? I would be interested to know.

And I wasn't argueing that toddlers weren't welcome, but pointing out the fact that over the course of this thread, we have decided that Disney needs to furnish
*A room exclusively for nursing moms
*A room for pumping moms
*A room exclusively for bottlefeeding moms, identical to the room for nursing moms
*An integrated room, so bottlefeeding moms felt they were not excluded and they can see nursing moms were not getting anything they weren't
*A nursing room for dads or creepy uncles that want to hang out and watch nursing and pumping moms
*A room with a TV and coloring books for todddlers.
*Another nursing room, with a TV so nursing moms and their kids won't be bored, so those nursing moms don't have to sit in the dark
*We'll probably need a room with video games for older children who need an air-conditioned break
*A ID wristband distribution center
*Smokers aquariums

Looking at the list above, I think we have found the new purpose of the Wonders of Life pavillion- the new Resort Wide Baby Care Center!

 

[Ava]

Just one thing, not sure how they should handle it if a dad wanted to bottle feed in the "nursing" room. I had absolutely no problem nursing in front of men, or whoever, but might some of the moms who prefer the privacy of the nursing room be uncomfortable with this? Just thinkin' out loud.

Not sure if this has been addressed already as I haven't read the whole thread, but our local Babies 'R Us has a "Mother's Room." You can either nurse or bottle feed in there (there are changing tables also) but it is for women only. I usually go in with my partner even though she's the one nursing & no one cares. It's a fairly large room though, if it were small I'd wait outside so I wouldn't take up space. I always feel for the dads who are alone with their babies and have to try to feed on a bench outside the restroom or in the front of the store (and use the changing table in the restroom - at least the men's room there has one though, a lot still don't). Ideally they'd have a room for men & babies as well.

OP, you should definitely NOT have been turned away from the nursing room, unless all the chairs were occupied. I'd definitely follow up on the complaint you made to Guest Services.