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[thebigman65]

The point?? It's a message board. A place for thoughts, opinions, ideas...?

Why am I concerned about what DVD does?? The DVC resorts are not some sort of exclusive club and kept behind gates. In fact everyone visiting WDW has the opportunity to stay at those resorts, enjoy the theming, have nice dinners at possible new resort restaurants, etc..
As a frequent visitor why wouldn't I want to see new beautiful resorts that give us these options?

Would I buy back? Possibly. We have discussed buying a small number of points just for a couple days a year. That would depend in many factors.

MG

All good points.....just not sure I would classify GFV, the Poly, and BLT as reasons to think DVD is doing things on the cheap or not paying attention to trends, etc. Things change, ideas change, themes are adjusted. I personally like that there are more choices, etc. Do i think the Poly bungalows are a good value....no!.....but that's another story......

 

[jade1]

Everything is being sacrificed to save a buck.

MG

Everything?

Do you think the new "quiet pool" and lakeside dining at VWL was to save a buck?

Or do you think its an improvement?

Why not just leave the old quiet pool and not add the dining?

Do you think the new "quiet pool" at the POLY (which now includes drinks and food as well) is an improvement over the old round pool there", and also remodeling the main pool.

Do you think the lobby and rooms inside VGF are done/look cheap?

What about adding 5 in a studio? That helps a lot of families save points/money.

I think the kids splash area at GF was done because of DVC, why do that?

Do you think converting the WL rooms to DVC will look bad inside for some reason? I assume you think the outside looks the same correct?

How about adding top of the world lounge at BLT, even if just to go up for the views? No way the needed to do that.

Do you think adding Bungalows and Cabins was to save a buck?

And you still have not replied to the fact that we (DVC owners of wherever) can now stay at CR, GF or POLY from about $100 a night in dues, instead of the the typical $400 to $600 a night.

Do you think adding views with floor to ceiling wall to wall windows like this at CR via BLT is bad?

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Everything?

Do you think the new "quiet pool" and lakeside dining at VWL was to save a buck?

Or do you think its an improvement?

Why not just leave the old quiet pool and not add the dining?

Do you think the new "quiet pool" at the POLY (which now includes drinks and food as well) is an improvement over the old round pool there", and also remodeling the main pool.

Do you think the lobby and rooms inside VGF are done/look cheap?

I think the kids splash area at GF was done because of DVC, why do that?

Do you think converting the WL rooms to DVC will look bad inside for some reason? I assume you think the outside looks the same correct?

How about adding top of the world lounge at BLT, even if just to go up for the views? No way the needed to do that.

Do you think adding Bungalows and Cabins was to save a buck?

And you still have not replied to the fact that we (DVC owners of wherever) can now stay at CR, GF or POLY from about $100 a night in dues, instead of the the typical $400 to $600 a night.

Do you think adding views with floor to ceiling wall to wall windows like this at CR via BLT is bad?

Most everything, yes.
Haven't seen the new VWL quiet pool, but remember that restaurants are "for-profit". Nothing wrong with that, but you can't lump that into DVD spending money for guest enhancement.
In my opinion the new quiet pool at the Poly is nothing special. The for-profit snack / bar area looks like an old Howard Johnson's.
TOTW I thought was also a for-profit establishment, but not sure about that.

$100/night in dues. Did they give you DVC for free?

MG

 

[jade1]

What about 5 in a studio?

Haven't seen the new VWL quiet pool

Let me get that for you-it IS an improvement and didn't need to be done.

So the "everything" argument ends there.

but remember that restaurants are "for-profit". Nothing wrong with that, but you can't lump that into DVD spending money for guest enhancement.

Yea they cheaped out, all added dining should be free, and is not there for guest enhancement.

In my opinion the new quiet pool at the Poly is nothing special. The for-profit snack / bar area looks like an old Howard Johnson's.

Didn't ask you opinion of it, asked if you thought it was an improvement since it didn't have to be remodeled.

TOTW I thought was also a for-profit establishment, but not sure about that.

Ah but I said even if just for the views-side stepped that one. It didn't need to be added.

$100/night in dues. Did they give you DVC for free?MG

My DVC contracts are all worth more (some a lot) than we paid, so yes dues at most.

You probably recovered a lot of your investment no?

But heck, just rent and now CR, GF and POLY all start around $250 which is a huge savings for a monorail deluxe resort.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

What about 5 in a studio?



Let me get that for you-it IS an improvement and didn't need to be done.

So the "everything" argument ends there.



Yea they cheaped out, all added dining should be free, and is not there for guest enhancement.



Didn't ask you opinion of it, asked if you thought it was an improvement since it didn't have to be remodeled.



Ah but I said even if just for the views-side stepped that one. It didn't need to be added.



My DVC contracts are all worth more (some a lot) than we paid, so yes dues at most.

You probably recovered a lot of your investment no?

But heck, just rent and now CR, GF and POLY all start around $250 which is a huge savings for a monorail deluxe resort.

Apologists can live in whatever fantasy world they wish.

MG

 

[jade1]

Apologists can live in whatever fantasy world they wish.

MG

Got nothin eh.

This is a discussion board.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Got nothin eh.

Got a lot, but that's my way of saying I'm not here to argue.

I am an expert on apologists. I was one for more years than I can count.

Then reality hit.... Disney doesn't give a hoot about guest experience. The almighty buck drives EVERYTHING.
At times the two may overlap (good guest experience can mean more $$$), but the motivational force rests squarely with making money.
Certainly nothing wrong with that, it just took me a number of years to pull my head out of the sand and realize they weren't doing this for the guests.

MG

 

[jade1]

Got a lot, but that's my way of saying I'm not here to argue.

I am an expert on apologists. I was one for more years than I can count.

Then reality hit.... Disney doesn't give a hoot about guest experience. The almighty buck drives EVERYTHING.
At times the two may overlap (good guest experience can mean more $$$), but the motivational force rests squarely with making money.
Certainly nothing wrong with that, it just took me a number of years to pull my head out of the sand and realize they weren't doing this for the guests.

MG

I have no problem with that at all. You should not go.

But why can't you see and or acknowledge that a lot of us may well be capitalizing on, and yes enjoying what is being offered.

Let me know if you would like details. We do not hand over money blindly.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I have no problem with that at all. You should not go.

But why can't you see and or acknowledge that a lot of may well be capitalizing on, and yes enjoying what is being offered.

Let me know if you would like details.

We do enjoy it. That was one reason for me starting the thread. I hope they don't continue to cheap out on resorts (DVD) and the resort as a whole (WDW). I want them to "plus" everything they do, which was Walt's standard. Unfortunately I see a much different Disney than years ago. It truly saddens me.

MG

 

[jade1]

We do enjoy it. That was one reason for me starting the thread. I hope they don't continue to cheap out on resorts (DVD) and the resort as a whole (WDW). I want them to "plus" everything they do, which was Walt's standard. Unfortunately I see a much different Disney than years ago. It truly saddens me.

MG

Well I do to, but saying "everything" is done to save a buck is simply not true. For me DVC (the whole point of your thread) alone is for me to save a buck, not WDW and a lot of it. I still think you did as well if you want to admit it.

DVC additions is last on my complaints sorry, the best thing we ever did related to WDW and constantly amazed-esp factoring new choices plopping in our laps right and left, as well as the financial savings when we would stay deluxe, heck even moderate anyway. Cash stays are all money down the drain lost forever, no matter what the back side of the building looks like, and one reason we never stay at US/IOA anymore.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Well I do to, but saying "everything" is done to save a buck is simply not true. For me DVC (the whole point of your thread) alone is for me to save a buck, not WDW and a lot of it. I still think you did as well if you want to admit it.

DVC additions is last on my complaints sorry, the best thing we ever did related to WDW and constantly amazed-esp factoring new choices plopping in our laps right and left, as well as the financial savings when we would stay deluxe, heck even moderate anyway. Cash stays are all money down the drain lost forever, no matter what the back side of the building looks like, and one reason we never stay at US/IOA anymore.

Well, we will agree to disagree on certain points, an agree on others.

The financial end of DVC is a whole 'nother thread. Too many variables with that one.

MG

 

[disneynutz]

I have to agree that Disney does everything for financial gain. They also are good a setting the stage to put on a good show which generates revenue. Theme restaurants, theme pools, theme public areas all attract guests eager to spend money. The theming in the rooms, no longer required, increase room occupancy increases guest spending.

Bill

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I think the asthetics of the buildings and developments are something that can affect all guests of WDW and in this case really guests of the MK. I look at the Poly from the lake - or from the shore - and practically cry. VGF - doesn't bother me so much although I have also looked at it and thought "wow - what big, straight lines". WL/VWL and the straight line of cabins? Crying again. BLT - nope, that one I mostly like. Wondered if they could have turned it though so the inner C faced the MK. But now I'm just waiting for them to complete the second "ear".

 

[jade1]

I have to agree that Disney does everything for financial gain. They also are good a setting the stage to put on a good show which generates revenue. Theme restaurants, theme pools, theme public areas all attract guests eager to spend money. The theming in the rooms, no longer required, increase room occupancy increases guest spending.

Bill

I agree, and a lot of what MC was saying I believe.

But remove the theming, would anybody even go?

The question is, do you still go and participate? Isn't theming why some things (if not most) are desirable?

Do you actually enjoy the themeing? It's a vacation destination, it's supposed to be disposable income.

I just don't see that conclusion meaning anything unless you pull your head out the sand and then stop going.

I totally "know" what I am getting for my money there-and it's an extreme bargain IMO.

 

[jade1]

I think the asthetics of the buildings and developments are something that can affect all guests of WDW and in this case really guests of the MK. I look at the Poly from the lake - or from the shore - and practically cry. VGF - doesn't bother me so much although I have also looked at it and thought "wow - what big, straight lines". WL/VWL and the straight line of cabins? Crying again. BLT - nope, that one I mostly like. Wondered if they could have turned it though so the inner C faced the MK. But now I'm just waiting for them to complete the second "ear".

Oh I don't think your alone in that.

I'm just saying if they were to ask me if I wanted to use points at CR, GF and POLY, and then said but it will look like this-it would be a resounding yes.

Not to even mention what those resorts in the program have added to resale value.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Oh I don't think your alone in that.

I'm just saying if they were to ask me if I wanted to use points at CR, GF and POLY, and then said but it will look like this-it would be a resounding yes.

Not to even mention what those resorts in the program have added to resale value.

I think there was some drift away from the direction of the very first post - which stated that the inside of the resorts was great and was addressing the ugly outside. I was just still going with that.

 

[jade1]

I think there was some drift away from the direction of the very first post - which stated that the inside of the resorts was great and was addressing the ugly outside. I was just still going with that.

No I get that. I'm saying if having the bungalows gets me POLY rooms into DVC-I'm very happy. The POLY DVC rooms are in the old POLY buildings (like the new WL DVC rooms are in the WL) so how can that matter. Yes even if some % of MK guests do not like the look, sorry.

If cabins at WL gets me a vastly improved quiet pool and lakeside dining and rooms "inside" the WL (I will even say water views with cabins below instead of solid trees), I am also very happy, and yes maybe even using points at them (cabins) on occasion.

And if the back side of VGF gets me the rest-absolutely. Such a great resort to stay at on points.

There is not an attraction, hotel or restaurant that can't be improved, that much is true.

By the way, BLT MK rooms on the outside of the C are far more private, no looking across and seeing all the windows. Can't see any rooms looking up, down or right or left. A spectacular addition to DVC, as are the rest.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

No I get that. I'm saying if having the bungalows gets me POLY rooms into DVC-I'm very happy. The POLY DVC rooms are in the old POLY buildings (like the new WL DVC rooms are in the WL) so how can that matter. Yes even if some % of MK guests do not like the look, sorry.

If cabins at WL gets me a vastly improved quiet pool and lakeside dining and rooms "inside" the WL (I will even say water views with cabins below instead of solid trees), I am also very happy, and yes maybe even using points at them (cabins) on occasion.

And if the back side of VGF gets me the rest-absolutely. Such a great resort to stay at on points.

There is not an attraction, hotel or restaurant that can't be improved, that much is true.

By the way, BLT MK rooms on the outside of the C are far more private, no looking across and seeing all the windows. Can't see any rooms looking up, down or right or left. A spectacular addition to DVC, as are the rest.

Yes, there is a good enough point to it all. That isn't really what got Disney to where it is though.

For BLT the outside of the C is more private but it just would have been facing Bay Lake If they had turned it there could have been more rooms with some sort of MK view although there were other considerations vs that component.

 

[PolyRob]

I have been scouring these threads for months considering a resale contact at VGF. I have to agree, while I love the interior rooms, the exterior has some room for improvement. At the least, why weren't 2, 2-bedroom lock offs excluded to make the front symmetrical? Maybe I am just OCD, but it bothers me every time I see it.

 

[Sammie]

Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. What you find butt ugly others don't. The only thing that bothers me about these discussions is it seems if one is not agreeable to bashing DVC then they are apologists. Why can we just agree that what appeals to one does not necessarily appeal to others, and that is acceptable.