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[Toad_Passenger]

Peremptory means a challenge that you do NOT have to give a cause for. Challenging for cause is different, and a juror who does not "like to judge" has cause to be dismissed.

But the "cause" was outweighed by the Batson challenge, and Judge Perry was not budging on that. They did challenge for cause, and then tried to use a peremptory, both times the Judge denied the request, citing Batson.

 

[Mosoh]

It has been interesting watching the "expert" lawyers dissect the verdict. CNN just had a Prosecutor on saying in his opinion, based on the evidence they had, that Orlando Prosecutors overcharged her.

I think that is probably true, although I do believe that she did murder her child, I think with lesser charges she would have been convicted.

There were lesser charges they could have convicted her on.

People need to be honest. Second Degree Murder: Aggravated Child Abuse: Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child

 

[bgirldeb]

Seriously?

I *NO* longer believe in our educational system. Good grief.

 

[bombygriz]

Seriously?

I *NO* longer believe in our educational system. Good grief.

This is exactly what I was going to say!!

really we are talking about the death of a 2 year old, and you are worried about spelling good grief

Because the person in question really makes themself look unintelligent by making an obvious usage mistake. It's like saying 'your so mean'. It makes you sound stupid. I consider it a service done to help someone, correcting like that.

 

[akhenaten]

I simply don't think things are as black and white as people believe. I'm reading all these ugly presumptions about the jurors and unless they are on the jury they just don't know.

Sitting on a jury is hard alot harder than so many seem to understand. It's not about gut feelings or what is inferred from the media. It simply about the facts and nothing else. The burden of proof was not brought completely from the prosecution. It was all on them and they didn't close the deal.

The whole loony family should have been on trial for that little girl. The whole family did the precious girl wrong and it's on the entire family that this little girl is gone.

I agree... I do believe casey did it... as my opinion... but if I was sitting on a jury I would evaluate the evidence and the case in a much different manner!!!

 

[CaliforniaDreamin]

Some of the defense attorneys and prosecutors and saying the the juries are sometimes confuse reasonable doubt with possible doubt. I don't think for one minute the prosecution failed to meet that standard. There are very few cases that can absolutely be proven without a reasonable doubt. It hasn't been all that recent that we started using DNA, now it seems without it, (they call this CSi effect) you can't PROVE anything.

I've read about the CSI effect and it is making things very difficult for lawyers to get convictions or exoneration. People believe that, due to shows like CSI, that DNA comes back within a day or two, or that DNA can be found anywhere, a carpet fiber in shag carpeting. Just unrealistic, made for tv, standards. This is kind of ruining our justice system. People want proof and they want it now. It's not as cut and dried as on tv, but some expect it to be.

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

I have a feeling the OP would be changing their tune very quickly were they ever accused and tried of a crime they didn't commit...

OP here.
I believe she killed her child. Most people believe she killed her child.

I also believe a majority of jurors were more anxious to start their summer vacations and forget about justice.

 

[Kennywife]

How did the follow the rules? The judge gave them the defintion of Child neglect and they didn't listen, not reporting your child missing for 30 day is the defention of child neglect plain and simple

I have no children and may never due to infertility. But, if I did have a child and he/she was missing for ANY amount of time, I'd do whatever I needed to do to bring my child home!

 

[Kennywife]

OP here.
I believe she killed her child. Most people believe she killed her child.

I also believe a majority of jurors were more anxious to start their summer vacations and forget about justice.[/QUOTE

Hit the nail on the head!

 

[mum4jenn]

I am sure the jurors (at least most of them) will at some time talk to the media. I know if I had been away from my family, TV, news, etc for WEEKS I would want to get home to my normal life first and not worry about what the media wants to know.

Seems like even with OJ it was a few days and they all got together and appeared on Dateline and others. They did this as a group but they had some time with their family first.

Give them time to rest their minds and rejoin their lives.

Casey will be just like OJ...she will mess up big time one day and it will then be on tape or someone will kill her which ever comes first. Also she will have lots of fake friends. People that like the attention as much as she does. She will go on all the talk/ news shows and end up being a media ***** along with all her "newfound" friends.

 

[robinb]

Nancy Grace just talked to an attorney, I believe, and they said that somehow Florida managed to find the only 12 people left that probably still thought the world was flat.

Nancy Grace has an axe to grind. As daisax said on another thread:

Nancy Grace makes a living dancing on the graves of murder victims to puff up her ratings

Nancy Grace has egg on her face over this whole thing and she's looking for someone ... anyone ... to blame. So she's picking on the jurors and digging up all manner of personal things on them to discredit them. I wonder how 12 random DISers would fare under her staff's scrutiny .

 

[rie'smom]

Nancy Grace has an axe to grind. As daisax said on another thread:



Nancy Grace has egg on her face over this whole thing and she's looking for someone ... anyone ... to blame. So she's picking on the jurors and digging up all manner of personal things on them to discredit them. I wonder how 12 random DISers would fare under her staff's scrutiny .

I agree. Nancy might have a harder time selling her next book. Someone, maybe Casey, needs to sue her. She is stirring up a hornet's nest. If someone gets hurt because of her muckraking, I hope she is made to face her responsibility.

 

[Imagineer7]

Honestly, this verdict makes me believe in the justice system even more. It would have been so much easier for those jurors to find her guilty but they didn't. They followed the rules and came to the only conclusion they could.

I will echo this sentiment. She probably did do it but there is a chance she didn't. The prosecution didn't present any hard evidence to prove she was guilty.

The jurors would have no reason to let her go if they thought she was guilty. They probably went into the process thinking she was guilty but were not presented with enough evidence to seal the deal. I'm actually quite proud of them.

 

[FredinFL]

If this type of targeting of the jurors is allowed to happen, we will loose the paltry juror base we already have. No one signs on to be grilled like this. It should be illegal. Nancy Grace needs to shut the hell up and move on.

I also believe this woman is guilty, but that doesn't mean NG should have a free reign of terror on the jurors. They were picked, they didn't volunteer.

 

[Imagineer7]

If this type of targeting of the jurors is allowed to happen, we will loose the paltry juror base we already have. No one signs on to be grilled like this. It should be illegal. Nancy Grace needs to shut the hell up and move on.

I also believe this woman is guilty, but that doesn't mean NG should have a free reign of terror on the jurors. They were picked, they didn't volunteer.

I'm surprised the jurors allow Nancy or anyone else to come at them like that? I would ballistic on NG!

 

[robinb]

I'm surprised the jurors allow Nancy or anyone else to come at them like that? I would ballistic on NG!

Exactly how would you stop Nancy Grace from saying anything? You can't. Her show is protected speech and "going ballistic on NG" will just make you look exactly like the moron she is trying to paint you as. She is an old fashioned yellow journalist and it's best just to ignore her. I know I do! I tuned into HLN to try to get an update this afternoon and found Nancy Grace holding court. I turned the channel to regular CNN as fast as I could!

 

[Imagineer7]

Exactly how would you stop Nancy Grace from saying anything? You can't. Her show is protected speech and "going ballistic on NG" will just make you look exactly like the moron she is trying to paint you as. She is an old fashioned yellow journalist and it's best just to ignore her. I know I do! I tuned into HLN to try to get an update this afternoon and found Nancy Grace holding court. I turned the channel to regular CNN as fast as I could!

Of course they can't stop her from anything but if she's being rude and asking stupid questions, I would literally tell her that's a stupid question.

 

[EMom]

And you have proof that without a shadow of a doubt, she was the one who killed the child?

The thing about a murder verdict is there can be no doubt. Do you really want a system that convicts people of crimes that can result in death penalty when there is doubt?

There is no perfect system. The fact that a child died, increases the empathy of the case. In addition, trials are very much like media and politics, they have to paint someone and present a persona of someone that may not even be accurate.


IMHO, we have the best system in todays world. Not perfect, but we still have the best.

Over the last year, I have read of many life terms reversed because of DNA evidence that proves innocence. Imagine, if you convicted someone of something, put them to death, only to find out you killed an innocent person.

If we cannot be absolutely sure, with verifying evidence, then we cannot proceed. Otherwise, the rights of the innocent will suffer.

In a nutshell, THIS is how and why this jury arrived at this travesty of a verdict. The interchanging of the above terms with the ACTUAL standard to be used......reasonable doubt.

Reasonable doubt is NOT, NOT, NOT the same as no doubt, absolute certainty or belief beyond any shadow of a doubt. And I am convinced the Casey Anthony jury employed the UNreasonable standard of no doubt, absolute certainty and belief beyond a shadow of a doubt to let this baby killer go free. Had they said to themselves, "Well, I guess it's possible that all the prosecution's evidence isn't true, but it is reasonable to believe otherwise given all the facts put before us?" they would have had to have convicted her on something other than lying to LE.

The 31 days, her behavior during that time, the failure to EVER report the child missing, the elaborate tales of kidnpapping by a fictional nanny that went on for years, the continuing efforts to mislead police all point straight to consciousness of guilt. And all that was ignored while they apparently latched onto an opening statement they were supposed to have disregarded and put WAY too much faith in the fact that they family was dysfunctional. Seriously? It boggles the mind. Reasonable, people, reasonable. When a mother covers up that her child is dead or missing for a month and apparently never intended on reporting it, she had better have a damn good explanation or a jury has the RIGHT to assume the worst. What they got was a world class liar who came up with a last minute lie a few weeks before trial and lord help them, they believed it. Sorry, I have to go.....Off to sell swampland to some folks in Florida.

 

[rie'smom]

The judge read the meaning of reasonable doubt to the jurors. It was not up to the jurors to present the case but to interpret it according to what was shown by the prosecution and their witnesses. Presenting it was up to the prosecution and they failed to do their job. Everything the prosecution presented was stuff I had read over the course of 3 years. Had the prosecution not gone for murder 1 or for aggravated child abuse but rather had gone for involuntary manslaughter, they may have gotten their conviction. They overreached without having the right backup and they lost.

What is really disturbing to me is that there are people saying-not here- they hope Casey or members of her family are killed. How does that make them better than the person they hate?

 

[MyManGoofy!]

In a nutshell, THIS is how and why this jury arrived at this travesty of a verdict. The interchanging of the above terms with the ACTUAL standard to be used......reasonable doubt.

Reasonable doubt is NOT, NOT, NOT the same as no doubt, absolute certainty or belief beyond any shadow of a doubt. And I am convinced the Casey Anthony jury employed the UNreasonable standard of no doubt, absolute certainty and belief beyond a shadow of a doubt to let this baby killer go free. Had they said to themselves, "Well, I guess it's possible that all the prosecution's evidence isn't true, but it is reasonable to believe otherwise given all the facts put before us?" they would have had to have convicted her on something other than lying to LE.

The 31 days, her behavior during that time, the failure to EVER report the child missing, the elaborate tales of kidnpapping by a fictional nanny that went on for years, the continuing efforts to mislead police all point straight to consciousness of guilt. And all that was ignored while they apparently latched onto an opening statement they were supposed to have disregarded and put WAY too much faith in the fact that they family was dysfunctional. Seriously? It boggles the mind. Reasonable, people, reasonable. When a mother covers up that her child is dead or missing for a month and apparently never intended on reporting it, she had better have a damn good explanation or a jury has the RIGHT to assume the worst. What they got was a world class liar who came up with a last minute lie a few weeks before trial and lord help them, they believed it. Sorry, I have to go.....Off to sell swampland to some folks in Florida.

This. In a nutshell.