I just joined the car #4 crowd

[HB2K]

**"Typical Disney. Ignore the fact that people may actually want to plan a vacation more than a week or two before they come.**

How accurate is that statement ? Sounds to me like they've given guests 5 months to plan around BB closing. I'd imagine that for the majority,that's a fair amount of time.

If you've pre-booked your hotel a year in advance and your flights 7-8 months in advance, then no, 5 months is not sufficent.

Disney encourages early bookings. If they are going to encourage people to lay out cash early on, then they need to make these type of plans in the same time frame.

If you want this to ruin your trip and hold it as a chip on your shoulder, that is YOUR choice. I don't think it is cool for you to run down the people that don't want to wallow in your disappointment.

This is the problem with the Disney company right now, and the general attitude of Car 1 posters.

This isn't your straw so you happily go buzzing along through your trips singing it's a small world after all.

But doesn't anyone see that the number of straws is piling up and it's only a matter of time until yours falls?

I'd ask this: What if you were in AMW's shoes....you've booked airfare (which is non-refundable) and made reservations. Then you see that the Magic Kingdom will be closed the week you're there for refurbishment.

Would you happily accept that and just keep humming IASM to Animal Kingdom?

AMW has every right to be upset. His straw fell. I pity many of the posters here who have yet to have their straw fall.

And Ohana I agree with you when it comes to the usual suspects. It just seems like there's been an influx of posters from other Disboards....who do not have such manners.

 

[DisneyKidds]

If you've pre-booked your hotel a year in advance and your flights 7-8 months in advance, then no, 5 months is not sufficent.

Disney encourages early bookings. If they are going to encourage people to lay out cash early on, then they need to make these type of plans in the same time frame.

HB, I'm not sure I really agree. Sure, they should try, and in a perfect, hypothetical world they would, but I don't know if that is always realistic.

Let's look at a hypothetical, as we don't know this is the reason for this "change" for BB. But let's say that Disney has finally gotten all the vendors, approvals, and ride mechanisms lined up to proceed with an expansion of TL. So, given that all the pieces have fallen into place they decide that they can close BB during the "normal" TL rehab time and have TL down early next year to begin the expansion. That would allow Disney to not have both water parks closed at the same time, or not force them to delay the expansion for an entire year. You are so quick to say what Disney shouldn't do in such a hypothetical case, but what should they do?

I'd ask this: What if you were in AMW's shoes....you've booked airfare (which is non-refundable) and made reservations. Then you see that the Magic Kingdom will be closed the week you're there for refurbishment.

Apples and oranges, my friend. With the exception of folks like AWM, a particular water park is not a prime drawing factor for most people. While some might be disappointed to have to go to TL instead of BB, they probably wouldn't mind all that much. Then again, those straws are a very subjective thing..........................

 

[AvonWuzzer]

I just don't take my vacations as seriously expecting them to be perfect. It is just a vacation and despite the planning, things happen. If Magic Kingdom was closed, I would find something else to do. If Outback was out of steak, I'd try the chicken. (Is this the best everyone can do to illustrate the seriousness of the situation?) I also was at DW on 9/11/01. They closed the parks and it took over two hours to drive back to OKW from Typhoon Lagoon. My wife and DD-4 and DS-2 had flown from Ohio that trip and we ended up driving the 18 hours home through the remnants of a hurricane in a tiny rental car.

But you know what...it wasn't as bad a week as 3,500 other people and their families.

Renovations, park hours and inferior hotel views (another hot topics on these boards) seem pretty insignificant in the grand scheme.

 

[mitros]

I'm begining to realize that some folks around here just need some place to vent. If, in their personal life, they don't know any disneyaholics that are willing to talk about stuff related to disney, they come here to talk and listen to 50 thousand plus disney freaks. {and I mean that in the nicest way} So all in all it's aplace for people to disneytalk with a lot of like, or unlike minded individuals.

 

[hopemax]

I'm sorry ArcticMan that your trip isn't working out as planned. But I do hear lots of good things about Universal, and you may just find it well worth your time and money. In that case; you win, Universal wins and Disney, well...you were only one family anyway. It's not like businesses suffer financially because families one at a time started checking out other options. They never add up to a critical mass, and certainly never when the economy is slowing.

 

[ohanafamily]

I would recommend getting a Fan club card for hotel / food discounts...check out this thread

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=265772

all you have to do is PM tinkerbarb and she will mail you one.....


also AAA has good discounts as well and it may prove usefull..

 

[eola3515]

Hi,

I was reminded reading about this of my days as a CM back in 1975. We had to close the Mike Fink Keel Boats for a week because of some safety issues. I was standing in front of the queue area doing crowd control (back in the old days, it was still called that - more on that topic some other time), when a lady came up to me and proceeded to scream at me for 17 minutes (after the first 3, I timed it...lol). Mind you, both riverboats and the canoes were running on the Rivers of America but she wanted me to know that riding the keelboats (a "B" attraction, as you may remember) was the only reason she had come all the way from Michigan. Somehow, I never felt the keelboats to be quite so critical, but to each her own.

Obviously, a water park being closed is certainly more significant but I am always amazed at how guests react to things.

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by eola3515

Obviously, a water park being closed is certainly more significant but I am always amazed at how guests react to things.

Darn dumb customers they should just take what is given to them and like it!

 

[Coach Rick]

Originally posted by EUROPA
Darn dumb customers they should just take what is given to them and like it!

Nobody is saying that at all. If there is one thing I feel Disney does right, it's definately Customer Service. That's why so many of the major retailers in the world send there employees to Disney for customer service training. Somehow I just don't think you get it. AWM is just very frustrated, and that is normal. Everybody reacts differently, and obviously you are on the Bash Disney route. Sounds simple, DON'T GO. There are lots of other places you can spend your hard earned money.

AWM is taking it better than you are.

 

[Walt's Frozen Head]

Sounds simple, DON'T GO.

Yes, make the same choice millions of others have already made.

 

[crusader]

Yes, make the same choice millions of others have already made.

Ah yes what a clever statement with such simple conjecture. As if "choice" had but one implication rather than the true complexity of it's context.

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by Coach Rick
Sounds simple, DON'T GO. There are lots of other places you can spend your hard earned money.

There you go that is the answer we like to hear. Don't like it don't go. Don't like our food don't come. Don't want to spend that much for it then don't buy it. Don't like our Customer service then don't come back. Eisner's plan is working he is successfully dumbing down the Disney customer where they will only expect Disney to be as good as the other guy. "No more...but usually less."

 

[OnWithTheShow]

AWN,

If you are looking for more thrilling slides, then by all means try out wet and wild, they have a good selection there. Typhoon certainly doesnt have the most thrilling slides but it does have a unique relaxing atmosphere with more shade than the other parks.


To whoever was talking about maint.

They actually do considerable maint. during the waterpark rehabs. The major parks can afford to close an attraction for 2 months to do work, but with the multislide water system nature of the park and other issues it is more beneficial to do it all at once (would you want to go to BB or TL if the wavepool and beach at either was closed?) Here is a list of major things that I know were done during Typhoon's last rehab:

Wavepool wall removed do to rotting and rebuilt (The far wall that covers the dump tank.)

Wave pool bottom repainted

Several new theming elements including a large ship trapped near the park entrance.

New towel return bins

Most lights along the paths were replaced/repaired due to rotting

new computers for guest services

paint on most structures

maint. on all slides, bolt and nut tightening water systems, etc

rebuilding of the Laguna Gator statue area to prevent erosion

over 10,000 worth of work to the parks 1951 Pontiac Silverstreak woodie

over a 1,000,000 worth of landscaping

 

[ohanafamily]

Why is this so difficult?

AWM is VERY DISAPOINTED. I think we can all feel his pain. He needed to vent a little to a group of people who he felt should sympathize with him. Why? because supposedly we all "Get It". We have all had disappointments with Disney, and most of us get over them. Even Baron gets into car one for the brief time he is in the parks...perhaps talking to a cute blonde CM near the Aladdin ride trying to explain how ugly the camel is
(Sorry Baron I needed an example, even if it is an old argument beaten to death already).

My point is that AWM will probably still continue to go to Disney, Worship the mouse in his own way... just a little more skeptically. He will probably get the "Vacation Glaze" the moment he hits the parks like we all do. In time he will probably even forgive them their trespasses. Right now he needs our support and Pixie Dust. This is a huge blow to him, and while some of us may not be able to fathom it's effect on him, he deserves the respect due to a fellow human being; not just a fellow human being but a fellow Disney fanatic.

I would hope all of us have spent time in car 1. While some of us may drift towards the caboose, we all should be aware of the great diversity of people out there. I even heard that there are people who like the new hotel called the Pop Century.

We are strengthened by our diversity, and blasting someone because they come from a place where things we take for granted are a wonder to be coveted is not something I would call proper etiquette.

{Slip, Ooops, Ouch}

I'm sorry; I just fell off of my soap box.

Please try not to trounce on our fellow Disney-A-Holics

 

[Coach Rick]

Originally posted by EUROPA
There you go that is the answer we like to hear. Don't like it don't go. Don't like our food don't come. Don't want to spend that much for it then don't buy it. Don't like our Customer service then don't come back. Eisner's plan is working he is successfully dumbing down the Disney customer where they will only expect Disney to be as good as the other guy. "No more...but usually less."

You know this whole thing is just getting stupid. I really don't think AWM needs you to defend him. I already said I can sympathise with him, but you seem to be hell bent on jabbing at everybody that comes along that have a different view. If you don't like my answer, then skip over it. I am not saying you have to like it, but for God sakes, don't cry about it.

I doubt this is part of Eisners grand plan to close down WDW.

When all else feels, blame Eisner. By the way, you don't know me, so please don't call me dumb. I also have the ability to understand there are different views, and really don't need your approval, just as you don't need mine. Discussion Forum means we all have the abiltiy to discuss, but that doesn't mean you should throw insults around, but if that's what floats your boat, go for it.

So if Eisner is responible for me being *dumbed down* because I happen to understand why an attraction needs to be shut down on occasion, then I would like to thank him.

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by Coach Rick
If you don't like my answer, then skip over it. I am not saying you have to like it, but for God sakes, don't cry about it.

Wrong buddy I have every right to object to what you say and so do you. If you want to say stuff and not have it commented on. (good or bad) Then perhaps a discussion board is not the best place for your comments.

I doubt this is part of Eisners grand plan to close down WDW.

Strip mine the place and then sell it to the highest bidder while exiting with more then a billion dollars. That is more of what I think he has in mind.

By the way, you don't know me, so please don't call me dumb. I also have the ability to understand there are different views, and really don't need your approval, just as you don't need mine.

I'm sorry if you fit the description it does not make it any less accurate.

So if Eisner is responible for me being *dumbed down* because I happen to understand why an attraction needs to be shut down on occasion, then I would like to thank him.

Well crap I thought this whole thing about BB closing and not just one of the attractions inside the park.

 

[HB2K]

Sorry but statements like "If you don't like it, then don't go" are what is wrong with Car 1's philosophy.

More and more people have been taking that advice. And guess what....

As more and more people stop going, more and more budget cuts are going to occur. Less and less magic for all of you who still choose to go....

It's a slippery slope which the Disney company is currently headed down with your thinking.

So go ahead. Dismiss people and tell them to go somewhere else. That'll fix the problems....permanantly.

 

[Coach Rick]

Originally posted by EUROPA Wrong buddy I have every right to object to what you say and so do you. If you want to say stuff and not have it commented on. (good or bad) Then perhaps a discussion board is not the best place for your comments.

First off, I am not your buddy!! Yes you do have the right to object, as I do, but personally attacking someone else you don't. Calling me dumb is not what I call an objection.

Strip mine the place and then sell it to the highest bidder while exiting with more then a billion dollars. That is more of what I think he has in mind

Obviously you don't care for Disney, so why do you subject yourself to such pain and agony, or is it to torment others that do like the place. This discussion is about one families disappointment, (sorry your original post has deteriorated to name calling AWM) not a place for you to spue your hate.

I'm sorry if you fit the description it does not make it any less accurate.

Very brave from behind a keyboard. I could easily retaliate, but I have found that small people like you aren't worth it.

Well crap I thought this whole thing about BB closing and not just one of the attractions inside the park.

(hehehehe, Europa said crap.....)

If you have any other insults you wish to sling, try PMing me instead of using AWM's post, and have a Disney Day....

 

[EUROPA]

Nobody called you dumb.

Thanks but you halfass interpretation of me is not even remotely correct nubie.

 

[Coach Rick]

Originally posted by HB2K
Sorry but statements like "If you don't like it, then don't go" are what is wrong with Car 1's philosophy.

Your right, and it was a bad statement to make, but at least you knew the right way to comment on it. I stand corrected...