I am so mad at my DH I can hardly stand it! (long)

In all these strivings, so many of them well-intentioned, our crippling handicap had been our lack of humility. We had lacked the perspective to see that character-building and spiritual values had to come first, and that material satisfactions were not the purpose of living. Quite characteristically, we had gone all out in confusing the ends with the means. Instead of regarding the satisfaction of our material desires as the means by which we could live and function as human beings, we had taken these satisfactions to be the final end and aim of life.

Character building, indeed.
If humility is the benchmark, then how do I measure myself against a man that you describe? A man who for all purposes should be demonstrating to me, by leading
By example, and not on the soapbox, what it is to be a man. My excuse? I am an
Alcoholic. My disease is selfishness.

My example?
When my son was 15 mo. Old I became a single parent. My wife choose drugs and
Alcohol; I had to protect our son. I had to break my vows with her and God to protect
Our son; in sickness and in health. I beat myself up pretty good for a year after separating. Her parenting was sketchy, at best. When he turned 5, she told me she
Could not be a parent; that her life was unmanageable. We have not seen her in over
6 years. It took me a long time to build on the character as a man. Not to attract the right
kind of woman; just to be the right kind of man. As a parent, not just as a man, I felt
overwhelmed at times. I felt that society looked at me as a “weekend” dad…and I had
to let that idea go. I met a wonderful, beautiful woman, and we’ve been married for
4 years now. But just this weekend she told me you don’t have to act like the lone ranger; funny, I told her I was the lone ranger. I’d been working on the yard for 3 yours,
by myself. She’d been inside, doing some housework. I think she felt guilty doing it.

Whether you believe what I tell you now is up to you. I am the primary caretaker.
I have a full time career, as my wife does. I go to AA meetings twice a week, and lead
A group of men in spiritual discussion. I am a mentor. I “exercise” 7 days a week,
And with 6 days out of the week with my son at my side. One day I go for 3 hours on
My bike. Once a week I meet with my spiritual mentor to discuss my shortcomings;
And how to actively work on solutions; how to be a better spouse, parent, friend, and
Human being. That is MY outing with the “boys”. My responsibilities around the house:
ALL THE YARD WORK. I am responsible for taking our son to school, preparing his
Lunch, and picking him up from after care. I go have lunch with him once a week.
Clean the kitchen, the garage, vacuum, do the laundry, take out the trash, pay the bills,
Do the grocery shopping. My wife cleans the bathrooms and changes the beds.
My wife is preparing for a century ride; and so takes all of Saturday morning and most
Of Saturday afternoon to do her training ride.

I have recently been seeing a psychologist to work some more on my ideas, my attitude;
And how I need to grow more as a man. It is painfully obvious how I’ve just barely begun. I’ve been measuring myself against other men and have finally realized that
Is NOT the solution. Continuing to look within myself and doing the work; more
Action is required.
 
I think that the OP needs to talk with her husband. Just like he isn't seeming to "understand" how she is feeling, I would pretty much bet that he feels the same way. I would guess that he sees her having 3 hours a day to be "off" whereas he works all day and then is supposed to be "on" for the evening too. (I feel that way as a working mom, don't see why he wouldn't.) Blaming others for our problems never helps anyone.

As some have said, finding a hobby and scheduling some time for it sounds like a nice solution. Talking with each other, getting some time together also sounds like a big winner. I hate when my husband and I feel disconnected. I hope you work things out so that you feel better, and I hope that your husbands stress comes down too.
 
I totally understand RadioNate.
 
I totally understand too RadioNate and you are not alone! You're doing the right thing.
 

It sounds like a schedule is needed here with time for you and time for your husband and time for the both of you. It's hard to do but it can be done. Good luck and enjoy your night out.
 
I hear ya' RadioNate. It's tough and sometimes hard to be strong and keep your chin up. I completely understand where you are coming from and you have my ear.

I work full time M-F and my DH works a 12 swing shift including e/o weekend (26 weekends a year). So e/o Friday after I'm done with my 40 hour a week at the office I go into all mommy all the time mode on Sat. & Sun. while he's at work. I tell my DH that his job needs to have a support group for spouses of swing shift workers.

Sometimes it's less of a he does - she does issue and just flat out an issue of scheduling and time. We all get the same 24 hours and we all need to put food on the table.
 
I can totally relate to the OP - my situation isn't exactly the same but we have the same basic issues, DH chooses to spend a large amount of his free time doing sheriff reserves. We have had many discussions about his hobby versus spending time with his kids and doing things around the house. The sheriff's department has minimum hour requirements for the reserves each month of 16 hours - which basically amounts to a full weekend of volunteer time. For the past year DH has been working a huge amount of overtime - over 1000 hours last year and he has worked full months with no time off.

I work fulltime also and last year hired a housekeeper to come in once a week. I also take care of our DS's 15, 9 and work full time. Do all of the laundry, cooking, and with the help of DS15 all of the yardwork.

There are lots of times that I have felt that I have no life outside of work and family. When the boys were little I had a horse that I showed successfully for several years. I finally gave it up due to the horses age and I just didn't have the time to do it. Over time I've lost contact with many of my "horsey" friends and we don't do any girls "night out" like we used to.

I try not to nag DH too much but I've made it clear that I really resent his sheriff's reserve time. He feels like he needs the retirement he'll get. (Which is laughable - if he stays in another 15 years he may get $100/month in retirement) We have had several discussion about whether his $100/month is worth the time he's taking away from his kids... :sad2: he just doesn't get it.

I've found that if I schedule major projects and make sure he knows what's expected of him it's much easier. No confrontation - like this weekend - I just made arrangements and told him "we are cleaning out the barn and your parents will be over to pick up all of the horse gear. I need your help and if you want to keep anything you have stored in my parents barn you need to be there." He knows I will throw out or give away everything in the barn if he doesn't help. So he was there all weekend... :thumbsup2
 
I'm sorry, but you have four and a half hours every day to yourself, and you're complaining because your husband wants to take time, when he can, to play golf on a weekend?

:confused3

Sorry, but I don't get it.
 
EthansMom said:
:grouphug: to you. I just blew up at my DH earlier today for pretty much the same thing.

What really gets my goat is that DH thinks nothing of making plans to go do something and then saying, "Well, I'm leaving..." as he's going out the door and leaving me and/or the kids to do whatever on our own. But heads would roll if I woke up on a Saturday or Sunday morning and said, "Well, I'm heading out for coffee with SIL this morning," and left DH home with kids without prior arrangement. It's totally not fair that OUR kids are MY responsibility more than DH's.

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Is there a full moon or something?!?!? :confused3 Dh just pulled this on Sat also! I am so sick of it, besides spending time with dd and I there are 2.3 million things that could be done around the house. It was so nice on Sat, he went to my father in laws, sat out side and drank a few beers. From 12-8?!?!?!? I would love to disappear for a month and let him do it all. He can take dd to school, to day care, to ballet, get the groceries, do the laundry, clean the house,etc. and work 45hr a week! His excuse, "well, I have to watch dd next friday and sat." Hello, I watch her every weekend that is what being a parent is. Men, I tell ya!
 
wvrevy said:
Sorry, but I don't get it.

Exactly!

I'm sorry fellas - Reverse the situation and think about it for a while:

Your wife works all day, travels for work, gets out of the house and out of town regularly. You on the otherhand, tend to the children, tend to household chores and errands. You look forward to when your wife comes home and has the weekend off. Maybe you two as a married couple can spend time together. But wait - she's gonna go hang with her pals for 11 hours on a Saturday. And then it's back to work again.

That lifestyle wouldn't last one week in the reverse.

Seriously, people, think about how much time you invest in your spouses one to one? I know I'm guilty of putting other events/people before my husband often.

I understand the OP is feeling better - she just wanted to vent and get a sympathetic ear.
 
wvrevy said:
I'm sorry, but you have four and a half hours every day to yourself, and you're complaining because your husband wants to take time, when he can, to play golf on a weekend?

:confused3

Sorry, but I don't get it.

I don't hear the OP complaining. I hear her expressing frustration. Frequently when a person has time alone, if s/he's responsible for the house, s/he isn't spending that alone time w/friends eating bonbons. S/he's vaccuuming, doing laundry, folding clothes, picking up toys, grocery shopping, cooking, planning meals, raking leaves, washing dishes, making beds, ironing, remembering/shopping for/sending extended family b-day and holiday cards and gifts, remembering and managing dr/dental/booster shot visits, class field trips, cookie sales and bake sales, school performances, vet visits, etc etc etc. Male time alone isn't the same a female time alone when they are married or have children. One or the other must manage all the responsibilities and unfortunately it usually falls to the one who happens to be at home, so the one giving birth. Not intentionally probably, but out of necessity. So that person wouldn't be (imho) normal if they didn't feel overwhelmed and frustrated at times. Not a slam, just a perspective from someone who raised children.
 
I'm sorry, but you're right, Vicki...The situation wouldn't work in the reverse, because very few men would ever choose to be a "stay-at-home-parent".

We handle things differently than most couples in that we tend to split things pretty much down the middle. Oh, DW probably does more housework than I do, I'll readily admit that. But we both take our turns taking care of the rugrat so that the other can get a little "me" time (or "her" time :teeth: ). But then, DW actually works for a living, so it would hardly be fair for her to be "expected" to handle all of those chorse.

And there-in lies the difference. I'm sorry, but when you work at home and get 4+ hours every day to yourself...I just don't think it's right to complain when your DH takes a day on one of his few days off and spends it on himself. Yeah, it may be a problem if he did it constantly, and was never at home, but that is a completely different issue.

Oh well...there is no middle ground in this argument, and this happens every time the SAHM thing comes up. Sorry, but I just don't have a lot of sympathy for someone that stays at home while someone else goes out and works to support them. If you want "time with grown ups", get a job...the business world is full of them. :teeth:
 
Robindianne said:
S/he's vaccuuming, doing laundry, folding clothes, picking up toys, grocery shopping, cooking, planning meals, raking leaves, washing dishes, making beds, ironing, remembering/shopping for/sending extended family b-day and holiday cards and gifts, remembering and managing dr/dental/booster shot visits, class field trips, cookie sales and bake sales, school performances, vet visits, etc etc etc.......

Wow,I'm exhausted after reading that!! I couldn't imagine doing all that 24/7..
My hat's off to those of you who do!
Debbie
 
wvrevy said:
Sorry, but I just don't have a lot of sympathy for someone that stays at home while someone else goes out and works to support them.

Yes, because what she is doing at home is really no big deal :rolleyes: Raising a child and all......... :thumbsup2
 
wvrevy said:
Oh well...there is no middle ground in this argument, and this happens every time the SAHM thing comes up. Sorry, but I just don't have a lot of sympathy for someone that stays at home while someone else goes out and works to support them. If you want "time with grown ups", get a job...the business world is full of them. :teeth:

Riiiiiight. The business world is so much more important in the grand scheme of things than raising your own kids. Gotcha.
 
wvrevy said:
I'm sorry, but you're right, Vicki...The situation wouldn't work in the reverse, because very few men would ever choose to be a "stay-at-home-parent".

We handle things differently than most couples in that we tend to split things pretty much down the middle. Oh, DW probably does more housework than I do, I'll readily admit that. But we both take our turns taking care of the rugrat so that the other can get a little "me" time (or "her" time :teeth: ). But then, DW actually works for a living, so it would hardly be fair for her to be "expected" to handle all of those chorse.

And there-in lies the difference. I'm sorry, but when you work at home and get 4+ hours every day to yourself...I just don't think it's right to complain when your DH takes a day on one of his few days off and spends it on himself. Yeah, it may be a problem if he did it constantly, and was never at home, but that is a completely different issue.

Oh well...there is no middle ground in this argument, and this happens every time the SAHM thing comes up. Sorry, but I just don't have a lot of sympathy for someone that stays at home while someone else goes out and works to support them. If you want "time with grown ups", get a job...the business world is full of them. :teeth:

Ya know usually I agree with your posts. If you had read my replies you would know that I never really chose to be a SAHM. I would go back to work, want to hire me? I have every intention of returning to work when DS goes to kindergarten in the fall. And it is insulting to say that stay at home parents don't actually work. I work. I just don't get paid for it.

And finally for the record because every one who is 'against' me seems to be missing it I DO NOT HAVE 4 HOURS OF ALONE TIME EVERY DAY!!!!! Yes my ds goes to preschool. I leave my house at 8 to drop him off. School starts at 830 and is a 1/2 hour away. I then leave by noon to get him at 1230. So from 9-noon (which is 3 hours BTW) I do have time w/out ds to grocery shop, run errands and do other household chores. Today I got all the garabage together, changed the cat litters, unloaded and reloaded the dishwasher, cleaned out the refridgerator and picked up all the clothes and toys that were left out. I also checked my email, the dis and talked to my dad on the phone. Oh I made the beds and put away the laundry I did yesterday.

I'm not asking for a 50/50 split, I understand that the house and things that go with it is my responsibility. I WAS frustrated that on the 1 day we could have spent time as a family OR that I could have done something with my friends he chose to spend 11 hours with his friends without any reguard to my plans. This wasn't a pre planned activity. I wouldn't have cared but he came in from work at 1230 w/his friend in tow and sprung a full day golf outing on me.

Because of work he has seen DS less than 2 hours a night. And some days (like today) he doesn't see him at all. He leaves before DS wakes and it home after his bedtime so I am left with everything. I don't mind, usually, but one day out of the last 3 months got to me and suddenly the men her a bashing me for not being grateful enough for all DH does for me. I can't expect him to spend a few hours with his son considering he maybe saw him for a total of about 15 hours total last week.

You all hash this out. I'm over it, dh is over it and I'm done trying to explain myself to people who 'don't get it.'

Thanks for the shoulders of those who understood.
 
OP, I sure know how you feel. My situation is similiar with the exception I work in my family business and I bring my kids to work with me. So I do double duty. I take care of everything at home and everything with the kids. My husband travels for work and has his hobbies. I so understand your frustration.

I think I've read most of the posts and very good advice, get a hobby, make time for yourself, go out with friends.....one thing I don't see is spending time with your husband. I, for one, can make time for myself...I have hobbies and friends but what I want is to have time with my husband. I see more and more couples drift apart because they just don't do anything together, ever. Could you possibly play golf with your husband? Is there anything he enjoys that you also enjoy?

:grouphug: for you OP, I know what you're going through. Glad to see you and DH talked!
 
I understand, also. I am a SAHM also with no family or suuport system nearby, have interests outside of my children (who are 4 and 2 1/2). Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the fact that I am with them 24/7, but sometimes it would be nice for some down time. My DS is 4 and goes to preschool for 3 hours 3 days a week. I am left with my 2 year old and we run errands - groceries, gas, drycleaning, take coffee to DH at work, etc.

I just long for time to myself. DH works long hours - does side jobs on the weekends. I know he needs down time, too...but he gets to leave work AT work...mine is ALWAYS here. I get burnt out. Even when he's home, I am the mom. They are used to coming to me for everything, and I wish on occasion I could just relax.

I also am NOT interested in mommy and me types of things. I Love my own children...just not thrilled with the idea of having a dozen kids not belonging to me running around. It's just NOT my idea of a good time. I would end up more stressed than before... All of my friends work during the day, so even if BOTH kids were in school, what do you do? I am 30 years old...not ready to hang out with retirees at the coffee shop, don't want to do the mom groups.

I want to find someone in my exact situation that I could spend time with. It's just not easy to do. I wish my family lived nearby,,,then at least I would have my sister.

Anyway, I completely understand and TOTALLY sympathize.
 
Marseeya said:
Riiiiiight. The business world is so much more important in the grand scheme of things than raising your own kids. Gotcha.
Rriiiiiight. And I said that it was...where, exactly ? :teeth: Besides, there is a big difference between "more important" and "more difficult".

TO THE OP: Yep, you caught me...I didn't read through every reply (mostly because the first two pages were pretty much repeats of the same thing, over and over). Will I hire you? Sure...so long as you're willing to move to WV and work in IT support. Our organization is growing pretty quickly, so I'm sure we could find something for you. :)

FWIW, I absolutely do understand that being a SAHP can be a difficult "job". Maybe it's because I don't do it full time, but I never look at time spent with DD as "work"...and yeah, I've even been known to run the vacuum and pick up around the house on occassion....not the most difficult of tasks. ;) But to a SAHP, it is practically sacrilege(sp?) to suggest that these every day duties are anything other than the most important work ever done by (wo)mankind.
 












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