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[Maleficent13]

Originally posted by dmadman43
No. And it can be solved with civil unions. I'm all for civil unions. And I don't think they should have to pay a lawyer to have one drawn up.

Well, unfortunately, 2/3 of Ohio disagreed with you, and now we can't have civil unions either, for anyone, gay or hetero.

Oh...just saw this:

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

So they won't inherit the kingdom of God. What's that got to do with you, personally?

 

[fireplug]

Originally posted by supergoof
My two cents,

1 Corinthians chapter 6 vs. 9&10

..........nor male prostitutes.................... will inherit the kingdom of God.

Just curious does this mean FEMALE prostitutes will inherit the kingdom


Steve

 

[supergoof]

CheshireVal got me on a technicality! You're correct, the verses had nothing to do with marriage, sorry I just was expressing my view on homosexuality in general.)
Thanks for correcting me on that.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Originally posted by supergoof
My two cents,

1 Corinthians chapter 6 vs. 9&10

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

That's good enough for me. Enjoy your debate.

What Supergoof is saying is that according to the Bible homosexuality is immoral.

What I don't understand is that it's okay for certain people to vote how their morals (think that homosexuality is OK) lead them, but it's not okay for evangelicals or people who disagree with you to vote based on their morals.

And then there are others who want the government to stay out of marriages, and you say that is wrong, but some people want the government to stay out of a woman's body and that is okay.

 

[bubie2.5]

Originally posted by MikeB63
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1) Do you believe a person in a long standing gay relationship, who has built a home, built a business, took care of their partner for many years, shared life experiences, etc. should be barred from their partner's hospital bed, have half their home and business sold out from under them, have their written will challenged and discarded in court, lose all parental rights to a child they may've loved and raised, etc?

Yes or no.

That's it.
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I don't think you'll find any answers here.
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I'll give my answer and risk the wrath of those who think differently. IMO homosexuality is morally wrong and not natural. If it were natural, men and women would not be anatomically different and be able to reproduce without the opposite sex. I do not buy into the "born that way" argument/hypothesis. I believe some men are born with feminine traits and some women are born with masculine traits, but I don't believe they're born gay. That being said, making gay marriage legal adds legitamacy to the homosexual lifestyle. It makes it acceptable. How does this affect me? It affects me because as this becomes an accepted norm, our/my children and their children (if they have them) may see this as an acceptable lifestyle, equal with what is natural and moral and it will become more widespread. To me the equal treatment of homosexual lifestyle with heterosexual lifestyle is just another sign of the decrease in morality in society. Do I think homosexuals should be discriminated against? No, tolerance is one thing, acceptance is another. Their are other ways that the issues raised above ( insurance, property rights) can be dealt with legally. Treat the problem not the symptom. I'm sure I have offended quite a few people. I'm sorry, that was not my intent. This is how I feel and someone asked for an answer.

P.S. I'm not an evangelical either.

I respect your opinion. But TheAnswer did not talked about "marriage". Please tell me about the "other ways that the issues raised above ( insurance, property rights) can be dealt with legally" that won't be legally challenge by family members of the deceased partner.

 

[supergoof]

Originally posted by fireplug
Just curious does this mean FEMALE prostitutes will inherit the kingdom


Steve

 

[bsnyder]

I hesitate to weigh in on this issue, because I have very mixed feelings about it.

However, I did notice something interesting about the overwhelming tide against gay marriage in yesterday's election and this statement:

In my opinion saying a gay couple can't marry is no different than saying a black person can't marry a white person.

The black community obviously strongly disagrees with you. They do not think it's a civil rights issue and they don't support same sex marriage.

In Michigan, the percentage of white voters who approved the amendment - 60% and the percentage of black voters who approved the amendment - 59%.

 

[tonyswife]

Originally posted by bsnyder
I hesitate to weigh in on this issue, because I have very mixed feelings about it.

However, I did notice something interesting about the overwhelming tide against gay marriage in yesterday's election and this statement:



The black community obviously strongly disagrees with you. They do not think it's a civil rights issue and they don't support same sex marriage.

In Michigan, the percentage of white voters who approved the amendment - 60% and the percentage of black voters who approved the amendment - 59%.

Interesting, but I do believe many, many black people feel strongly that black people should not marry white people. For what that's worth...

 

[raidermatt]

Interesting, but I do believe many, many black people feel strongly that black people should not marry white people. For what that's worth...

Well, do you believe 59% of them would vote for a proposition banning it?


Edited to add that I don't necessarily agree with the position at all (that many black people feel strongly that black people shoudn't marry white people), but am just trying to follow the logic.

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by tonyswife
Interesting, but I do believe many, many black people feel strongly that black people should not marry white people. For what that's worth...

But they overwhelmingly support civil rights or any attempt (in the past) to prohibit, by law, the rights of blacks and whites to marry, if they chose to.

And the gay activists have tried to paint this as a civil rights issue, on par with the struggles of the African American community.

 

[tonyswife]

Originally posted by raidermatt
Well, do you believe 59% of them would vote for a proposition banning it?


Edited to add that I don't necessarily agree with the position at all (that many black people feel strongly that black people shoudn't marry white people), but am just trying to follow the logic.

I think it would be too close to call, honestly. I don;t agree with it either, just calling it like I see it.

 

[tonyswife]

Originally posted by bsnyder
But they overwhelmingly support civil rights or any attempt (in the past) to prohibit, by law, the rights of blacks and whites to marry, if they chose to.

And the gay activists have tried to paint this as a civil rights issue, on par with the struggles of the African American community.

It iS a civil rights issue. It does not matter if they choose homosexuality or not. The idea that the "mob" can lord it over the minority opinion is repulsive to me. The constitution is designed to protect us from just this kind of thing.

 

[snarfer1]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
Get your order in now to avoid the Christmas rush.

Actually Mr. Blues, wouldn't that be the Ramadan rush?

-Tony

 

[Maleficent13]

Originally posted by Miss Jasmine
And then there are others who want the government to stay out of marriages, and you say that is wrong, but some people want the government to stay out of a woman's body and that is okay.

I was confused by this statement...I want the government to stay out of my marriage and my body. Maybe I'm reading this wrong though...

 

[caitycaity]

The black community obviously strongly disagrees with you. They do not think it's a civil rights issue and they don't support same sex marriage.

you can be black and a homophobe. not saying that's why anyone voted against this. i obviously don't know. but just because black people voted for it, doesn't mean its not a civil rights issue.

 

[ladycollector]

Originally posted by supergoof
My two cents,

1 Corinthians chapter 6 vs. 9&10

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

That's good enough for me. Enjoy your debate.

I agree.

To answer, why I do not think gay marriage should be legal is because I am basically saying I agree with it. If humans were meant to be gay, it wouldn't take a man and a woman to reproduce.(I'm sure I'll get flamed for that one)
I do not accept gay way of life, therefore, I will not vote for it.

Why does gay marriage affect me you ask?
God does not condone homesexuality, and neither will I.
I'm not going to vote for something I am against just because it's not affecting me at this moment in time. It may affect me in the future, so I will stick to voting what I believe in.

 

[tonyswife]

Originally posted by ladycollector

I'm not going to vote for something I am against just because it's not affecting me at this moment in time. It may affect me in the future, so I will stick to voting what I believe in.

You could abstain from voting to force everyone else to agree with your sense of morality. You don't have to vote FOR gay marriage, nor do you have to vote against it.

The problem with most of these amendments is not that they banned gay marriage, but they they banned gay people from even forming contracts with eachother.

 

[chadfromdallas]

Originally posted by ladycollector
I agree.

To answer, why I do not think gay marriage should be legal is because I am basically saying I agree with it. If humans were meant to be gay, it wouldn't take a man and a woman to reproduce.(I'm sure I'll get flamed for that one)
I do not accept gay way of life, therefore, I will not vote for it.

Why does gay marriage affect me you ask?
God does not condone homesexuality, and neither will I.
I'm not going to vote for something I am against just because it's not affecting me at this moment in time. It may affect me in the future, so I will stick to voting what I believe in.

Ah, lovely. You don't know what "god" does or does not condone. You know what you might have read out of a book written by man to what he might think "god" would believe or what a preacher in your church told you.

But I guess your definition is right. Humans are just like animals in that they are born, breed, and die. Thats their purpose.

 

[newarknut]

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you can be black and a homophobe. not saying that's why anyone voted against this. i obviously don't know. but just because black people voted for it, doesn't mean its not a civil rights issue.

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I'm tired of the use of the word "homophobe". Just because I believe that homosexuality is wrong and should not be encouraged by our society, does not make me a homophobe. I have friends who are gay. Their chosen lifestyle is sinful. HOWEVER, I'm a sinner too! It's the acknowledgment of the sin, and the desire to sin less, that drives a wedge between those who voted for and against these amendments. Where do you draw the line here? People are born with all kinds of tendencies and preferences. It doesn't mean we should act on all of them!

 

[tonyswife]

Not everybody agrees that homosexuality is a "sin" and the mob is not supposed to be able to lord it over the minority opinion when it comes to individual liberty. I'm starting to wonder if most Americans have even read the constitution.