How rude!

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

Would you mind telling me where I said anything about why soldiers go off to war?? My father was retired US Air Force, served in the tail end of WWII, Korea and Vietnam. My beloved BIL is retired National Guard, Command Sgt. Major. He served in Iraq, came home and was immediately called to help during Katrina (while his home was here and damaged and his father dying in the hospital in New Orleans). My niece's husband, who I adore, served a year in Iraq and is preparing to go to Afghanistan. I have two nephews in the Army who are in Iraq and Afghanistan. My sons have several young men that they grew up with serving at this very moment. So, please, do NOT pretend to know what I feel or do not feel is the reason a solider serves his country--which by the way does not have anything to do with this thread.

Definately does NOT have a thing to do with this post...As an Army wife I am politely holding my tounge on this one...................... .............not you the poster you are referring to

 

[luvsJack]

Definately does NOT have a thing to do with this post...As an Army wife I am politely holding my tounge on this one...................... .............not you the poster you are referring to

thanks!

I hate that I posted such a long post, that was going off topic, in response to her but that just struck a nerve!

 

[SnowandMittens]

thanks!

I hate that I posted such a long post, that was going off topic, in response to her but that just struck a nerve!

Don't worry about it.

Some people don't read posts very carefully.

 

[Leajess99]

I don't know what you are reading in my posts, but no I am not trying to start a debate. I said very clearly that I don't want to debate the spanking/non-spanking issue; so you do not have a clue what my views on that are. I never said that ALL kids who are spanked are rude and obnoxious, I said SOME of the most rude and obnoxious kids I know are spanked all the time. And that is simply because they have rude and obnoxious parents that do not teach their kids any better.

When I say "we", I mean we as a society, as a whole. No, I do not know you so I cannot speak for you or for each individual person that goes to WDW. I, myself, make every effort not to only think of me and mine and to teach my kids to always think of others. That doesn't mean that its still not true, that we (again the total we as society not you as an individual) are a very "me and mine" society and very "entitled". AGAIN--THAT DOES NOT MEAN EVERY INDIVIDUAL PERSON.

Would you mind telling me where I said anything about why soldiers go off to war?? My father was retired US Air Force, served in the tail end of WWII, Korea and Vietnam. My beloved BIL is retired military. He served in Iraq, came home and was immediately called to the gulf coast to help during Katrina (while his home was here and damaged and his father dying in the hospital). My niece's husband, who I adore, served a year in Iraq and is preparing to go to Afghanistan. I have two nephews in the Army who are in Iraq and Afghanistan. My sons have several young men that they grew up with serving at this very moment. So, please, do NOT pretend to know what I feel or do not feel is the reason a solider serves his country--which by the way does not have anything to do with this thread.

I never once said that a child cannot be taught consideration and spanked. But, just so you know, they can be taught the same thing and not spanked. Just because a child does not get spankings does not mean they are allowed to "run wild". Like I said, you have no clue how I believe a child should be disciplined. Please, do not put words in my posts that are not there.

Incidentally, not telling your kids that you are not going school shopping has no bearing on what I said. I said "me and mine" are your kids not a part of what is "you and yours"?

If you did not want it taken as you saying EVERYONE than you should not have said it that way. You stated that no one cares about anyone else and I kindly felt the need to prove you wrong. Just because some on society only care about themselves it does NOT mean ALL of society only cares about themselves. I see many caring people around but I guess since society seems to suck in your eyes you can't see that. Many people give for others and yes there are those that would rather be rude, lie, cheat or steal but again it is NOT society as a whole.

As for taking kids school shopping, it is NOT just my kids I am taking with me. I am taking some children who would not have otherwise as their parents are unable to afford their school stuff. Of course I provide for my kids but I also care about other kids and families. Again if you don't want it taken out of context than be specific.

 

[Leajess99]

Don't worry about it.

Some people don't read posts very carefully.

Yeah, I did read the post where it was stated that no one cares about anyone else and yes people do care. Case in point are the many men and women that serve this Country. Many people are willing to give of themselves for their fellow humans but I guess that is too much to share. @@

 

[chellewashere]

I bet the military part has a lot to do with it. We have a lot of military here too and most (not all) are the greatest when they come in my office, I am always so impressed with their politeness (especially when its some young man that my boys knew in hs!) and I am sure that their kids learn from that.

In places that are more fast paced, people seem less polite. I don't think they mean to be rude, it just comes off that way especially to someone not used to that way of living. DH drives a truck across country and I have to remind him sometimes that thing we were raised to do (like saying m'am and sir) people in other areas weren't, its not rude its just different.

One thing about the deep south is that sometimes our girls are still raised to be oh, so polite. I have to remind dd sometimes that she doesn't have to be polite to the point of getting pushed around. Even "southern belles" can stand their ground. **I am not saying that people from other parts of the country are rude, just that sometimes we do still get that "southern belle" mentality going around here.**

I have heard that a lot about Florida though, and I can't help but wonder why. Maybe because there are so many tourist from everywhere, that the locals have learned they have to be somewhat rude to keep from getting pushed around?

This is why my husband and myself are looking into moving down south before my DD starts school in 2 years. I love the south and love the politeness of the people and just cant wait for everything to fall in line so we can do this! People from PHilly and the burbs IMO are so rude that I just cant handle it anymore and want to leave!!

 

[luvsJack]

If you did not want it taken as you saying EVERYONE than you should not have said it that way. You stated that no one cares about anyone else and I kindly felt the need to prove you wrong. Just because some on society only care about themselves it does NOT mean ALL of society only cares about themselves. I see many caring people around but I guess since society seems to suck in your eyes you can't see that. Many people give for others and yes there are those that would rather be rude, lie, cheat or steal but again it is NOT society as a whole.

As for taking kids school shopping, it is NOT just my kids I am taking with me. I am taking some children who would not have otherwise as their parents are unable to afford their school stuff. Of course I provide for my kids but I also care about other kids and families. Again if you don't want it taken out of context than be specific.

I had a nice long response typed out and then deleted it. For whatever reason you are going to debate whatever I say and continue putting words in my mouth that just were not there. So continue on.

BTW, I was talking about rudeness not being charitable (which is what you are doing when you take these kids school shopping). Very charitable people can still be rude. And the fact is that we rush through life and most of us do not stop and think to be polite and to show good manners and most of us do tend to think we are entitled.

For someone that says I only want a debate, you sure are very defensive of something I have said that should in no way insult you.

 

[luvsJack]

This is why my husband and myself are looking into moving down south before my DD starts school in 2 years. I love the south and love the politeness of the people and just cant wait for everything to fall in line so we can do this! People from PHilly and the burbs IMO are so rude that I just cant handle it anymore and want to leave!!

Why, thank you and welcome in advance from all of us southerners! We love it down here (all of the south, not just my state) and the feeling of hospitality really can be wonderful.

 

[SnowandMittens]

Yeah, I did read the post where it was stated that no one cares about anyone else and yes people do care. Case in point are the many men and women that serve this Country. Many people are willing to give of themselves for their fellow humans but I guess that is too much to share. @@

As someone who is IN the army reserve, I read your post as an 'attack'. Yes, I do serve my country, but do I use my service to bring up points in an unnecessarily aggressive manner? No.

You could have been more tactful and polite about it. You were implying that she DIDN'T care about those of us that serve. That was off topic and this is the last time I'm going off topic.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

Lets just leave it at this...

ALL people are different...What is rude or inconsiderate o one, may not be so bad to others...the term is relative...like saying somethng is "Normal".

 

[luvsJack]

Lets just leave it at this...

ALL people are different...What is rude or inconsiderate o one, may not be so bad to others...the term is relative...like saying somethng is "Normal".

Very, very true!

 

[Ava]

In places that are more fast paced, people seem less polite. I don't think they mean to be rude, it just comes off that way especially to someone not used to that way of living. DH drives a truck across country and I have to remind him sometimes that thing we were raised to do (like saying m'am and sir) people in other areas weren't, its not rude its just different.

I can't agree with this more. I live in NYC and it is a very different pace & way of life than anywhere else I've ever been. You can't stop to hold the door for everyone, you'd be standing there all day! I do hate blatant rudeness though, and when my DD is old enough I will teach her to be polite. I will stop to hold the door open for someone who needs help (pushing a stroller, carrying bags, elderly, disabled, etc.). Also give up my seat on the subway or bus to someone eldery, disabled, or pregnant. It really burns me when I see a pregnant woman get on the train and not one man gets up to give her a seat. A lot of people just pretend they don't see her, and more often than not its a woman who ends up getting up for her. Another thing I hate here is when someone runs right into you on the sidewalk and doesn't even say "sorry" or "excuse me." It's a crowded place so these things happen but at least acknowledge that you just rammed into me!

Funny story, a couple weeks ago I was leaving work and when I exited the building I accidentally ran into a woman who was walking past on the sidewalk. We both turned to each other and said sorry/excuse me at the same time. Then she laughed and said, "I think we're the only civilized people left in this city!" (This probably makes NYC sound like a horrible place, but its not. Despite any rude people I encounter I still love it here.)

I have heard that a lot about Florida though, and I can't help but wonder why. Maybe because there are so many tourist from everywhere, that the locals have learned they have to be somewhat rude to keep from getting pushed around?

I think the tourists might have something to do with it. I get really aggravated with the tourists here sometimes. Like families who walk 4 or 5 abreast, blocking the whole sidewalk. Or large groups who stop dead in their tracks in the middle of the sidewalk to consult a map or take pictures. Move off to the side if you need to stop! I avoid the touristy areas whenever possible, but if I have to go through them I probably seem somewhat rude. Just know that I'm not trying to be rude, I am just trying to get somewhere. NYers walk faster than anyone else too, so to us you all move WAY TOO SLOW. Let's make a deal, you promise not to stop dead in the middle of the sidewalk and I promise not to give you the wrong directions to the Empire State Building.

 

[luvsJack]

I can't agree with this more. I live in NYC and it is a very different pace & way of life than anywhere else I've ever been. You can't stop to hold the door for everyone, you'd be standing there all day! I do hate blatant rudeness though, and when my DD is old enough I will teach her to be polite. I will stop to hold the door open for someone who needs help (pushing a stroller, carrying bags, elderly, disabled, etc.). Also give up my seat on the subway or bus to someone eldery, disabled, or pregnant. It really burns me when I see a pregnant woman get on the train and not one man gets up to give her a seat. A lot of people just pretend they don't see her, and more often than not its a woman who ends up getting up for her. Another thing I hate here is when someone runs right into you on the sidewalk and doesn't even say "sorry" or "excuse me." It's a crowded place so these things happen but at least acknowledge that you just rammed into me!

Funny story, a couple weeks ago I was leaving work and when I exited the building I accidentally ran into a woman who was walking past on the sidewalk. We both turned to each other and said sorry/excuse me at the same time. Then she laughed and said, "I think we're the only civilized people left in this city!" (This probably makes NYC sound like a horrible place, but its not. Despite any rude people I encounter I still love it here.)


I think the tourists might have something to do with it. I get really aggravated with the tourists here sometimes. Like families who walk 4 or 5 abreast, blocking the whole sidewalk. Or large groups who stop dead in their tracks in the middle of the sidewalk to consult a map or take pictures. Move off to the side if you need to stop! I avoid the touristy areas whenever possible, but if I have to go through them I probably seem somewhat rude. Just know that I'm not trying to be rude, I am just trying to get somewhere. NYers walk faster than anyone else too, so to us you all move WAY TOO SLOW. Let's make a deal, you promise not to stop dead in the middle of the sidewalk and I promise not to give you the wrong directions to the Empire State Building.

Oh, I love NYC! I have only been there once, but my mil and I had a ball just wondering around looking at everything. I have always wanted to go back but my dh doesn't like big cities. But, yeah it is a very different environment than here. Everyone needing to hurry to where ever they are going and not much time to even notice anyone around them.

We did notice something about the people; a few people we would encounter on the street were always so nice and helpful. There were times that I guess we just looked lost; and someone would stop and ask if they could help. We had heard so many bad things about New Yorkers, we were really surprised. But then we would go in somewhere to eat and the person waiting on us would be so cold acting! Not really rude but not smiling and helpful like you expect someone in that position to be. I guess, it goes again back to everyone being rushed; the waitresses or cashiers were working hard and fast and just didn't have time for the niceties.

I guess tourists do the map thing no matter where they are , I have almost walked into several people looking at maps in the middle of the path at wdw too!

 

[jc040404]

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[lawsonsontour]

I think the tourists might have something to do with it. I get really aggravated with the tourists here sometimes. Like families who walk 4 or 5 abreast, blocking the whole sidewalk. Or large groups who stop dead in their tracks in the middle of the sidewalk to consult a map or take pictures. Move off to the side if you need to stop! I avoid the touristy areas whenever possible, but if I have to go through them I probably seem somewhat rude. Just know that I'm not trying to be rude, I am just trying to get somewhere. NYers walk faster than anyone else too, so to us you all move WAY TOO SLOW. Let's make a deal, you promise not to stop dead in the middle of the sidewalk and I promise not to give you the wrong directions to the Empire State Building.

whether you are talking about WDW or NYC alot of what you have here has been been bought about by the people that come here on vacation.yes i do walk 3 or 4 abreast with my family...yes we do just stop to look at maps...yes we do just change direction at any given moment...but this is our holiday and without us this would still be an orange grove..most of us work 50 weeks a year just to pay for our 2 weeks in the sun so please at least let us take our time and smell the roses

 

[emh1129]

While the majority of people were friendly & polite at Disney, we did see some behavior that was just shocking.
While standing in front of Casey's waiting for the parade to start, there were some teenage boys taunting the ducks- pretending that they had food & when the ducks came over, they would smack them with their baseball caps. My kids were so upset by this. I told a security guard nearby and he went over to them & they denied any wrong doing. Their father was aware of it all- half-paying attention to them and occasionally laughing at their antics- and was speaking to them in another language. Once his boys got talked to, you could tell he was looking around trying to figure out who told on them. It was so bizarre.

 

[luvsJack]

How's this one...

As we were making our way down Main Street into the park during Spectro , a scooter came the opposite direction. He was controlling this, through the HUGE crowd of people on the sidewalk, with his EYES CLOSED! We couldn't believe it and continued to watch for a couple minutes. Nope, he never opened his eyes once. It did not appear that anyone else with was him either. People were almost diving out of his way, but I guess that was probably the goal..

OMG!! That's one of those moments that makes you say--"why?" I mean, I really have to wonder what made the man make the decision to do this!

 

[MissRoseDarrensAngel]

I've made a basic list for my sister's 2 kids who are coming with me and my mother for a week - they are ages 7 & 9 regarding manners & etiquette excepted of them:

*No yelling or screaming unless you are on a ride or attraction like a roller coaster type thing

*No loud voices in any place - normal volume of talking

*Using Please when requesting something and Thank You when it is received

*Understanding about waiting in line, and not cutting in front of others in all places - airport, airplane, hotel, restaurants, and parks

 

[PrincessMom4]

My "beef" is with people who don't understand that I travel with a special needs child. She has a few sensory issues, but its taken us 5years to find this out. They have given a few diagnosis (close traits, but not right on the metter)..anyways, I ahd this elderly couple look at me because my daughter was havinga meltdown because we asked her to pick up the food she threw ( it was a few chicken nuggets). Point is she made the mess she cleans it up. They looked at me like I was asking her to shine my boots...lol

 

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

I've made a basic list for my sister's 2 kids who are coming with me and my mother for a week - they are ages 7 & 9 regarding manners & etiquette excepted of them:

*No yelling or screaming unless you are on a ride or attraction like a roller coaster type thing

*No loud voices in any place - normal volume of talking

*Using Please when requesting something and Thank You when it is received

*Understanding about waiting in line, and not cutting in front of others in all places - airport, airplane, hotel, restaurants, and parks

WOW, thats weird!

That is exactly what DW tells ME before we go on vacation!

hehehehhehee