How much would you lie for your kids?

LisaInNc

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I know someone that lives right near me.The schools are the same ones my child is zoned for. They are meh. It's universally known. There is a town over that is considered to have better schools.

They have so many people trying to get their kids into them that you either have to produce mortgage papers or have a home inspection if you are renting.

This person that lives near me fudged what she had to in order to get her 3 kids in those schools.

One is high school aged. The other two are younger. They all know NOT to talk about where they live.

I am not sure if what she is doing is illegal but I suspect it is. Signing your name on a state document with false information has to be bad. The thing that I really worry about is she is teaching her kids to lie to get what they want.

I feel like they lie every single day just by walking into school.

Lisa
 
Of course it is illegal. I just had to produce a water bill, two other utility bills, and my mortgage statement for all of my kids. I could by a home similar to mine in the next town for $100,000+ less than mine. I chose to buy a house here because of the schools.

No, I would not steal services.
 
I know someone that lives right near me. She schools as much child. They are meh. It's universally known. There is a town over that is considered to have better schools.

They have so many people trying to get their kids into them that you either have to produce mortgage papers or have a home inspection if you are renting.

This person that lives near me fudged what she had to in order to get her 3 kids in those schools.

One is high school aged. The other two are younger. They all know NOT to talk about where they live.

I am not sure if what she is doing is illegal but I suspect it is. Signing your name on a state document with false information has to be bad. The thing that I really worry about is she is teaching her kids to lie to get what they want.

I feel like they lie every single day just by walking into school.

Lisa

I don't know what the bolded means.
 

OP, what your neighbor is doing is illegal and sleazy. She's teaching her kids to lie, cheat and steal. It's theft of services and everyone in the neighboring district is paying for it thru their taxes. If she were my neighbor I'd let the school district know. They can address it from there.
 
I think the term for what OP is describing is school enrollment fraud. It looks like it's generally considered a crime. There are a number of links with info around the net.
 
I work in a school system that is highly rated in my area. People are always trying to get their kids in by lying about where they live. The always get caught eventually. Kids talk. Kids know who and who doesn't live in their town. Parents know too. Someone will eventually drop a dime. My principal has even secretly scoped and followed cheaters to and from school and busted them. One family even listed seasonal rental property as their residence. When the principal went to check it out, he could clearly see no one lived there. BUSTED!!!
 
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Its not illegal everywhere. In Indiana, you can attend any district that will accept you. My DD just graduated from a school that isn't in our district, but was closer to our house. We had to apply and be accepted and maintain certain standards such as attendance and grades. Pretty much everyone we know attends a school that isn't in our district because they closed the better school in our district and were going to send the kids to a failing school.

Affidavit of Parent/Legal Guardian
The parties agree and understand that enrollment in the Community Schools as a nonresident transfer student is a
privilege granted by the Community Schools, and is not a right. The privilege of attending the Community
Schools is conditioned upon the following terms:
1. Community Schools may deny a request for a student to transfer to the school corporation, or establish terms
or conditions for enrollment that prevent a student from enrolling in a school, if the student has been suspended (as
defined in IC 20-33-8-7) or expelled (as defined in IC 20-33-8-3) during the twelve (12) months preceding the student's
request to transfer:
a. for ten (10) or more school days;
b. for a violation under IC 20-33-8-16 (Possession of firearms, deadly weapons, or destructive devices);
c. for causing physical injury to a student, a school employee, or a visitor to the school; or
d. for a violation of a school corporation's drug or alcohol rules.
2. Community Schools may deny a currently enrolled transfer student re-enrollment if the student was
suspended or expelled for any cause mentioned in Section 1 above during the school year the student was enrolled in
Community Schools.
3. Community Schools may immediately expel any non-resident transfer student upon discovery and verification
that the application was falsified or that any of the violations mentioned in Section 1 occurred during the period of
time to which the section applies.
4. The parent of a student for whom a request to transfer is made is responsible for providing the Community
School Corporation with records or information necessary for the school corporation to determine whether the
request to transfer may be denied or accepted.
5. An application must be properly completed for each new non-resident transfer student.
6. A completed application consists of the current Non-Resident Transfer Student Application Form and all student
discipline records for the previous 12 months.
The signature of the parent or legal guardian below attests that the conditions stipulated by the terms above have been met
and that the information contained in the entirety of the application is complete, accurate and truthful.
(Signature of Parent or Legal Guardian) (Date)
Application Process & Timeline
Initial Application Window: March 1-14
Non-Resident Transfer Student Applications will be accepted in the Superintendent’s Office beginning March 1, 2014 through
the end of the business day on March 14, 2014. These applications will constitute the pool for a lottery to be held on March 24,
2014 at the regular school board meeting. All qualified applications received during this window period will be part of the
lottery and a determination will be made regarding their conditional acceptance that night.
Supplementary Application Window: March 17 – September 1
Additional Non-Resident Transfer Student Applications will be accepted in the Superintendent’s Office beginning March 17,
2014 through the end of the business day on September 1, 2014. These will be time & date stamped upon arrival to this office.
Each school will accept new qualified transfer students in those grade levels which did not hit capacity at the March 24, 2014
school board meeting on a “first come, first served” basis until each grade level reaches capacity as set by the school board.
Community Schools does not discriminate on the basis of age, race, color, sex, religion, national origins, disability in educational
programs, activities, or employment policies. Inquiries regarding compliance with Title IX, Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 or the
Americans with Disabilities Act should be directed to the superintendent or the Office of Civil Rights.
 
I've seen it happen several times through the school where I work. People move out of the district and try to keep their kids in the same school. Mine is a special ed class where all of the kids receive various special services. The caseload is already big enough that we can only serve kids who actually live in our district. We have taken out-of-district kids in the past, through agreements with the districts where they live. For the past several years we haven't because we're just too crowded.

One mom who always sent her child on the bus suddenly started bringing him to school by herself. We asked the child if he was living in a new house and he said, "Uh huh. I got my own room now!" Busted.

Another mom called the transportation department and requested that the bus pick up her child at a new address. It was about 5 miles outside of the district boundary. Busted again.

As for people who try to fake their way into a more desirable school, karma will catch up with them. They won't be able to keep it up for long.
 
I don't understand what paperwork she was able to forge? Also most school districts mail out report cards etc. It also means they can never have friends over to the house. What an injustice the mother is doing to her children.

In our area we have someone in our district whose job is to find out if all students live in district. There were a lot of students who used Grandparents addresses. Not sure how it is found out but each year you get a list of how many students were removed from the school and or charged the out of district fee.
 
That's interesting. We've had school of choice here for quite a while and I thought it was available everywhere.

That would be very difficult for the children to have to live a lie like that.
 
That's interesting. We've had school of choice here for quite a while and I thought it was available everywhere.

That would be very difficult for the children to have to live a lie like that.

We've had open enrollment for about 15 years here. It's a giant pain because kids who live next to a good school may not be able to get into it if it is full.
To get into a school, your parents have to camp out for the good schools.
But I live in a district where the enrollment has been dropping for 30 years. I've lost track of how many schools they have closed. They don't care if a kid is from out of the district, because state gives them so much money for every kid without regard to where they live, so the more students from outside they let in, the more money they make.

I know it was a huge headache when I was involved in Little League, because residency rules are strictly enforced there. Parents wanted to know why their kids couldn't play in the little league all their kids friends played in. Often, not only did they not live in the league borders, they often didn't live in the same region.

To the OP's point. I would be unhappy to if a parent lied. But having dealt with "proof of residency" requirements for Little League, there are people these days that are so transient, they don't have the documents they need to prove residency. I ran into several people who PO Boxes on their driver's license, even their utility bills. Little League required 3 documents, and some folks had just one with their actual address on it, their rent agreement or mortgage.
 
That's interesting. We've had school of choice here for quite a while and I thought it was available everywhere.

That would be very difficult for the children to have to live a lie like that.

Here if you buy a cheap house in a crappy area then you go to that crappy areas schools. Buy a house in a more expensive area, pay more in property taxes and go to a better school. We boarder a crappy town and they are always trying to sneak their kids into our schools (which are not excellent but they are ok). Many get caught but I know a couple that don't live in our town and go to our school but have not been caught yet. Some towns have really good areas and really bad in the same town and then you have to decide to send your kid to the public school or private school.
 
Nope wouldn't lie to get them in a better school. Would and did by a cheap fixer upper in a great school district.

Everyone was teasing me about buying this house."You should get a better one","wow your going to live there, you can afford better." But no one is loling now that the market crashed and im way ahead of them in value. :lmao:

Why not just buy the cheapest house in the school district you want?
 
Well, having school choice WITHIN the district is one thing.
But, I don't know where school choice is state or nation wide....

I know somebody who lists her relatives address, and I think the kid goes home with his cousins every day, and his picked up there.

Yes, they are basically lying...
And, yes, this might be considered theft-of-services.
She is not paying property taxes or rent in that county.

Thing is, this is a single mother, and it must be a huge effort to have to drive him that far to school over in the next county/district every day.

We live in the northern part of our county...
They have brought back 'bussing' here!!!!
The better, newer, high school is here in the northern part of the county.
My son knows TWO kids from the far south of the county to catch the bus at like 6:20a.m. to be bussed up here.
One kid is in his Scout Troop.
Crazy...
That isn't the answer either!
 
Here if you buy a cheap house in a crappy area then you go to that crappy areas schools. Buy a house in a more expensive area, pay more in property taxes and go to a better school. We boarder a crappy town and they are always trying to sneak their kids into our schools (which are not excellent but they are ok). Many get caught but I know a couple that don't live in our town and go to our school but have not been caught yet. Some towns have really good areas and really bad in the same town and then you have to decide to send your kid to the public school or private school.

Yeah, here it is a per parcel tax, same tax on a $100k home as a $5 million home plus the chunk the state kicks in. About $9,800 per student per year. Given than private school tuition is about $11,000 and that covers 100% of the cost plus profit for the owner, I guess it's in the ball park.
 
This has been going on since I was in school and I graduated in 1976. I would not lie about where I lived to go to a specific school but it is very common in my district. They actually have someone follow kids home because they are pretty sure they are living over the border and in the city instead of the suburb.

I also think this is why the district decided to close the 2 schools they will be...no surprise they are the 2 closest to the city border.

Anyhow, what a friend of mine did in high school was to use her aunts address to register. Same last name so it worked. Back then they also didn't monitor who was getting on buses so she would walk 10 blocks to a bus stop and take the bus to and from school. We all knew it and for us kids at least we didn't think anything of it.
 
Well, having school choice WITHIN the district is one thing.
But, I don't know where school choice is state or nation wide....

I know somebody who lists her relatives address, and I think the kid goes home with his cousins every day, and his picked up there.

Yes, they are basically lying...
And, yes, this might be considered theft-of-services.
She is not paying property taxes or rent in that county.

Thing is, this is a single mother, and it must be a huge effort to have to drive him that far to school over in the next county/district every day.

We live in the northern part of our county...
They have brought back 'bussing' here!!!!
The better, newer, high school is here in the northern part of the county.
My son knows TWO kids from the far south of the county to catch the bus at like 6:20a.m. to be bussed up here.
One kid is in his Scout Troop.
Crazy...
That isn't the answer either!

We have bussing here. It starts in middle school and goes through high school. So some kids literally drive past a school near their house to go to another school they are assigned to. Its supposed to keep things socio economically equal. When I was growing up in the NE, you bought a house in the district you could afford. No bussing. I hate this way.
 
People do it all the time in my city. Some reasons are that grandparents look after their grandkids and the grandparents house is walking distance from the school. There are a LOT of kids doing this.

Another reason is that the parent's work close by and if they were farther, they wouldn't have anyone to pick up their kids.

Even though you are supposed to live in the district, the community including the school itself doesn't seem to enforce the rule.

My kids live in the school district. Even though I understand some reasoning behind it, it has caused my kids school to be severely overcrowded.:guilty:
 
We have school of choice here, but they would never not allow a child to go to their home school. If you live within the boundary, you are guaranteed a spot. Once you are accepted through school of choice, you are also guaranteed a spot every year.
 

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