How much would you have to save to drive instead of fly?

I notice people using there time as a factor...like I could be making x amount of dollars. Do you not get paid for your days off?
Not if you are self-employed. A couple of the posters upthread were talking about billable hours (I'm assuming they are lawyers), which essential means their pay is tied to the number of hours they work on a project. Not exactly the same thing as being self-employed, but the same general idea that your take-home pay is directly connected to the specific number of hours you work - not a more typical 40 hour work week with 2 weeks paid vacation.

For the sake of simplicity, let's say it would take someone with an employment situation like that 1 day each way to travel by plane and 2 days each way to travel by car. So, instead of just adding up the costs involved and figuring out what is cheaper, they would also have to consider all the income they would be losing by not being available to work those extra 2 days. For many people, that would be a significant enough amount to tip the scale in favor of making flying the more cost effective option.
 
I notice people using there time as a factor...like I could be making x amount of dollars. Do you not get paid for your days off? If you do then I don't see why it would matter. :confused3

If you don't get paid for your days off or you use all your vacations days in a given year then I would factor in the days needed to drive.

If you get paid for vacation days and whether you drive or not doesn't impact all of your vacation days in a year then I say don't factor it.

Just my thought on it.

It's not always that simple. DH is not an hourly wage earner. He gets paid for days off, but he also has a minimum annual billable hours threshold; one that would be impossible to reach without working lots of nights and weekends if he chose to take long vacations. Most of the time, small business owners are in the same boat -- it isn't always a direct pay loss for those days; it can be counted in lost opportunity and revenue for those days as well. Also, DH can't easily just leave town -- if a client has a court date or has been subpoenaed, then he has to appear if he cannot find someone else willing to cover the court date, and his own plans don't matter.

I'm salaried and am fortunate enough to get quite a lot of paid vacation time, but I also have a young child at home, so I have to use 2-3 weeks of that paid time off dealing with the days when my kids are are not in school: usually 10-12 days at Xmas, three for Veterans Day, MLK's Birthday and President's Day, five to 7 days for spring break, two each semester for "faculty development days" and usually at least one week each at the beginning and end of the summer when daycamps are not in session, and then any days when they are ill but I am not. We overlap some of those days with travel, of course, but unless I travel alone with them, not all of them, and holiday-period prices are much higher than at other times, so it is often cost-prohibitive to travel then.

PS: Angie is mostly correct about billable hours, but it is often a bit more complex than just tying pay to how much one works on a given project. Many professional service firms in such professions also have an annual threshold, and keeping one's job often depends upon reaching it. Hours billed in excess of the threshold often mean bonus pay, but if you don't manage the minimum you will usually find yourself on thin ice. This can even apply to partners; an unproductive partner is still collecting a set share of the revenue while not necessarily equally contributing to creating it; and after awhile, the other partners may tire of carrying that kind of dead weight. In most firms, one's own pay normally washes out to between 25-50% of the revenues collected by the firm for your work or that of the people who work for you; the actual rate of pay depends on several factors. (The remainder of the revenue goes to cover things like support staff pay, office rent, and various other overhead costs, just as in any other business.) So, for example, if you bill out at $200 an hour, over the course of 2 days you personally might be losing around $1100 of gross pay, but the firm that you work for will be losing $2600 in revenue. That's a substantial chunk of change, and unless you have a very large family, the difference in domestic airfare and driving expenses will only account for a fraction of it.

PPS; As for working while in a moving car, yes, that's possible, but it depends on who else is in the car, and what kind of work that you do. I once had to handle a client meeting that way, and I think that my children where ready to explode by the time I finished it, because they had to be completely quiet for that 45 minutes. (My boss would really not have been happy with me if the client had been able to hear childish voices in the background.) I also can't be looking at a computer screen in a moving car -- I'll get carsick really quickly.
 
It's not always that simple. DH is not an hourly wage earner. He gets paid for days off, but he also has a minimum annual billable hours threshold; one that would be impossible to reach without working lots of nights and weekends if he chose to take long vacations. Most of the time, small business owners are in the same boat -- it isn't always a direct pay loss for those days; it can be counted in lost opportunity and revenue for those days as well. Also, DH can't easily just leave town -- if a client has a court date or has been subpoenaed, then he has to appear if he cannot find someone else willing to cover the court date, and his own plans don't matter.

I'm salaried and am fortunate enough to get quite a lot of paid vacation time, but I also have a young child at home, so I have to use 2-3 weeks of that paid time off dealing with the days when my kids are are not in school: usually 10-12 days at Xmas, three for Veterans Day, MLK's Birthday and President's Day, five to 7 days for spring break, two each semester for "faculty development days" and usually at least one week each at the beginning and end of the summer when daycamps are not in session, and then any days when they are ill but I am not. We overlap some of those days with travel, of course, but unless I travel alone with them, not all of them, and holiday-period prices are much higher than at other times, so it is often cost-prohibitive to travel then.

PS: Angie is mostly correct about billable hours, but it is often a bit more complex than just tying pay to how much one works on a given project. Many professional service firms in such professions also have an annual threshold, and keeping one's job often depends upon reaching it. Hours billed in excess of the threshold often mean bonus pay, but if you don't manage the minimum you will usually find yourself on thin ice. This can even apply to partners; an unproductive partner is still collecting a set share of the revenue while not necessarily equally contributing to creating it; and after awhile, the other partners may tire of carrying that kind of dead weight. In most firms, one's own pay normally washes out to between 25-50% of the revenues collected by the firm for your work or that of the people who work for you; the actual rate of pay depends on several factors. (The remainder of the revenue goes to cover things like support staff pay, office rent, and various other overhead costs, just as in any other business.) So, for example, if you bill out at $200 an hour, over the course of 2 days you personally might be losing around $1100 of gross pay, but the firm that you work for will be losing $2600 in revenue. That's a substantial chunk of change, and unless you have a very large family, the difference in domestic airfare and driving expenses will only account for a fraction of it.

You just reminded me why I got out of public accounting. lol;)
 
LOL. At least accountants seldom have to deal with short-notice court settings. One one beach trip when both kids were younger, DH got noticed up for a deposition for the second-to-last day of our planned trip, and we were already there when it arrived at his office. The opposing counsel was holding a grudge and had chosen the date on purpose.

I wasn't happy about DH having to head home two days early, but I would have been MUCH more unhappy had it meant that I had to take on a 15 hour drive alone with two small children who don't like car trips.
 

Not if you are self-employed. A couple of the posters upthread were talking about billable hours (I'm assuming they are lawyers), which essential means their pay is tied to the number of hours they work on a project. Not exactly the same thing as being self-employed, but the same general idea that your take-home pay is directly connected to the specific number of hours you work - not a more typical 40 hour work week with 2 weeks paid vacation.

For the sake of simplicity, let's say it would take someone with an employment situation like that 1 day each way to travel by plane and 2 days each way to travel by car. So, instead of just adding up the costs involved and figuring out what is cheaper, they would also have to consider all the income they would be losing by not being available to work those extra 2 days. For many people, that would be a significant enough amount to tip the scale in favor of making flying the more cost effective option.

I guess my question came off wrong...I know there are jobs that don't get paid time off...I was just making it clear that if you do get paid time off(like my dh) then you shouldn't factor it in. The way I was reading comments I was taking it that people were saying your time is valuable so you need to factor that in, I was more pointing out only if you do not get paid should that be a factor. There are just so many variables to deciding driving vs. flying and not all pros or cons will relate.
 
Barring an airline strike, there's nothing that would make me choose driving over flying.

It's not all about the money, it's the overall value.

:thumbsup2

Well, for one, we LOVE the airport. We try and get there as early as possible for our flights - not out of necessity but because we TRULY enjoy it. We got to the airport at 7am last month for a 1250 flight ;) We have a 3 hour flight, 2 - 3 hours prior, and then 1.5 to get to WDW from MCO. So looking at max a 7 hour day (less then a work day!!!)

From my house, without stopping, it's 23 hours to drive. I hate my 10 MINUTE drive to work. I would go absolutely NUTS having to do any more than that.

We will ALWAYS fly. Always. If the cost got to be "too much" ($600/person or more) we would cut elsewhere. Flying is a non-negotiable aspect for our WDW vacations...
 
I guess my question came off wrong...I know there are jobs that don't get paid time off...I was just making it clear that if you do get paid time off(like my dh) then you shouldn't factor it in. The way I was reading comments I was taking it that people were saying your time is valuable so you need to factor that in, I was more pointing out only if you do not get paid should that be a factor. There are just so many variables to deciding driving vs. flying and not all pros or cons will relate.

But, it's not a math problem where there is a definite answer. There isn't a right or wrong. If it is important to someone, they will factor it in.

My time is valuable and if I get paid or not, I am going to factor that in.
 
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PPS; As for working while in a moving car, yes, that's possible, but it depends on who else is in the car, and what kind of work that you do. I once had to handle a client meeting that way, and I think that my children where ready to explode by the time I finished it, because they had to be completely quiet for that 45 minutes. (My boss would really not have been happy with me if the client had been able to hear childish voices in the background.) I also can't be looking at a computer screen in a moving car -- I'll get carsick really quickly.

I made those comments, and I definitely didn't mean it as a recommendation. ;)
 
I guess my question came off wrong...I know there are jobs that don't get paid time off...I was just making it clear that if you do get paid time off(like my dh) then you shouldn't factor it in. The way I was reading comments I was taking it that people were saying your time is valuable so you need to factor that in, I was more pointing out only if you do not get paid should that be a factor. There are just so many variables to deciding driving vs. flying and not all pros or cons will relate.

Why should I not care how much vacation time I use? :confused3 It's priceless to me! I get 4 weeks off but besides vacations that needs to cover any daytime dr. appts, visiting my kids school for whatever reason: conferences, Halloween parties, etc. Or just taking a break, wrapping Christmas gifts, spend a day at the beach, whatever.
I could easily take 3 weeks per year in just vacations so I really despise wasting vacay time. 2-4 days wasted on each vacation to allow for drive time just means we'd have to cut back our travel. I'd spend a week vacation per year just driving. :headache:
There are always ways to be thrifty & save more $ but I can't earn extra vacation time.
 
Why should I not care how much vacation time I use? :confused3 It's priceless to me! I get 4 weeks off but besides vacations that needs to cover any daytime dr. appts, visiting my kids school for whatever reason: conferences, Halloween parties, etc. Or just taking a break, wrapping Christmas gifts, spend a day at the beach, whatever.
I could easily take 3 weeks per year in just vacations so I really despise wasting vacay time. 2-4 days wasted on each vacation to allow for drive time just means we'd have to cut back our travel. I'd spend a week vacation per year just driving. :headache:
There are always ways to be thrifty & save more $ but I can't earn extra vacation time.

I think it is different view points/ways of life. Like I said we have 6 weeks of vacation time and I don't really work so we have a lot of available time. We aren't traveling for 6 weeks so adding the couple of days to a drive is no biggie. Like I said, for me it is fear not cost. I certainly understand why some are must drive or must fly. I just think if it is something you are considering(like the OP is) why not try it once. We would have to take 3 WDW vacations a year(or similar distance) to spend a week just on driving. With 3 kids/school/sports....that sadly is not something we get to enjoy...but may one day!!
 
I think it is different view points/ways of life. Like I said we have 6 weeks of vacation time and I don't really work so we have a lot of available time. We aren't traveling for 6 weeks so adding the couple of days to a drive is no biggie. Like I said, for me it is fear not cost. I certainly understand why some are must drive or must fly. I just think if it is something you are considering(like the OP is) why not try it once. We would have to take 3 WDW vacations a year(or similar distance) to spend a week just on driving. With 3 kids/school/sports....that sadly is not something we get to enjoy...but may one day!!

That is totally different, imo. This is a separate issue than if it's a good value of time vs. $ spent.
I'm more afraid of highway driving than flying. After working 23 yrs in a hospital with 9 of those years in our trauma center (& regional spinal cord injury center) I will gladly stay off the road full of drunk, sleepy or cell phone-addicted drivers. Throw in a few speed demons & I need to be sedated. :faint: Statistically speaking, flying is waaay safer.
 
My DH won't fly, so we are driving. From Ontario, so about 22 hours each way. With 4 kids between 1 and 8. I am scared.

Cost is huge as well though. If we fly from Toronto (our nearest airport with regular flights out on our dates), it's $400 RT/person. 5 people (if we do a lap baby), so $2000. If we do Buffalo, we have to figure in drive time (plan at least 3 hours, plus plan for potential border delays - so we would need to go the day before to make sure that isn't an issue). So, a night stay before we even leave, cheaper flights, but potentially border issues. We need to rent a minivan (4 kids, so no mid size for us). We have free lodging in FL, so we do need transportation. Honestly - flying isn't just more expensive, it's prohibitively so.

We are going to try to leave one afternoon after DH is finished work and drive until we have to stop. Then do our long drive on the 2nd day. Would flying be less hassle - yes, if we could fly out of Toronto. But so much more expensive it isn't really worth considering for us.
 
We just paid our highest price ever for the 4 of us out of Buffalo. It ended up being $1350. The flight home has a connection but it was cheaper by hundreds than the other flights on the same day. We are coming home on the 23rd of December which is a heavy travel day. I expected to pay more than my max of $1200 this time.
I'm not willing to go much higher. We always take 10-12 day trips. I may just have to deal with the 20 hour drive next time. So I'd say our line in the sand is $1200 or $300 per person.
 
We've been waiting for flights to drop below $330 pp from northern Ohio to Orlando and it just hasn't happened yet. With our trip in three months we are considering driving down with our two kids on our first Family road trip. It should save us close to $600-700. Would that be enough for you to endure a 17 hour drive each way?

As one poster stated it cost approx. 60.8 cents a mile. We live on Long Island, NY and it would be approx a 2344 mile round trip with a cost of around $1,425.00. We can fly for about 1,200 0r 1,300 so we save money by flying:cool1:
 
That is totally different, imo. This is a separate issue than if it's a good value of time vs. $ spent.
I'm more afraid of highway driving than flying. After working 23 yrs in a hospital with 9 of those years in our trauma center (& regional spinal cord injury center) I will gladly stay off the road full of drunk, sleepy or cell phone-addicted drivers. Throw in a few speed demons & I need to be sedated. :faint: Statistically speaking, flying is waaay safer.

Oh, I know. I am not afraid of the plane crashing. I am afraid of being trapped in something. It is that fear that I cannot get out if I need to. I can exit a car at anytime, but once that door is sealed on a plane I am stuck. Add the fear that I am afraid my kids will know I am scared and the anxiety tips the scales. I will fly, it is just not something I love.
 
Update! Flights went down a bit and we went ahead and booked them- round trip nonstop at decent times for $303 pp.

I will not rule out driving in the future. We are planning on a drive to Hilton Head for spring break which is a good 12 hour drive for us. It'll be nice practice for our first road trip as a family!

Thank you so much for all your advice and opinions!
 





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