How hard to get into Kingdom Towers if not your home?

[LadyTrampScamp&Angel]

I don't know, I'm sure demand will be high but it looks like a very big resort. How hard do you think it's going to be to book at seven months? I'm trying to decide if I want to add on at AKV or wait for KT.

 

[JimMIA]

This is purely speculative, of course, but I think it will be pretty difficult.

Based on the plans and size of the building, it looks like it will be about the same size as BWV -- possibly a little smaller. (That's assuming the whole building is DVC. I haven't been following the KTV discussions much, so if that's been announced, I didn't get the memo.) So it's certainly not going to be a small resort. But neither is it going to be an OKW-SSR sized place.

Looking at BWV now, you can usually get accommodations there at seven months (and less) except during the obvious peaks (holiday periods and F&W).

However...I think demand for KTV will be consistently high year-round. The allure of being that close to MK and on the monorail will be a huge draw, IMHO. And with the monorail, it will be pretty easy to get to Epcot as well...without bussing.

If you can consistently plan more than seven months in advance, and you really, really MUST stay at KTV, this would probably be one of those "buy where you want to stay" scenarios.

By contrast, I don't think it will be difficult to get into AKV at seven months. However, in both AKV and KTV, there were undoubtedly be certain types of accommodations that are never available at seven months, just like standard view BWV is never available at seven months.

 

[LadyTrampScamp&Angel]

Thanks for the reply. I'm having a hard time contrasting KT as far as size to the other resorts so that's what I needed to know. Just looking at it, it seems very big but as compared to the other resorts - I just wasn't getting it. I checked it out from the CR 4th floor last month and I don't know why but it looks bigger than BWV, but it could just be the shape or something. Knowing that it isn't going to be as big as AKV is helpful.

I do plan more than seven months out usually and like to try all the resorts but sometimes I will want to be at KT, so I'll want to be able to get it then.

I'm assuming it's going to be all DVC but I realize there's a lot we don't know yet. I guess I'm holding out for my add-on a little longer. I wish something official would be announced!

Thanks again for the help

 

[spiceycat]

it will be smaller than bw 533, so far the rooms were between 295 and 350. a little bigger than BCV -282.

It will definitely be in big demand.

I mean you can't miss this thing. It is the most in your face of all the DVC resorts.

if it is a DVC resort.... when will they announce it.

there are several non-members who have stayed that when DVC does a monrail they will buy. So even the sell out point for this thing will probably be quicker than DVC even thinks.

hoping that members get their 2 months sell before public - that we generally get - but again no guarantees.

so have fun thinking about it!

despite the size of this thing - it does not have that many villa - remember how big 3-bedroom (GV) are - well this thing has GV. image a gv view of the MK fireworks.

it also has more 2-bedrooms. not that many 1-bedrooms and studios - a big change from bcv and akv. (that is assuming the 2-bedroom can't be broken apart - the information on that was not clear)

so if you want a studio and don't own there - be on the phones at 7 months.

right now a studio is a hotel room, a 1-bedroom is slightly bigger than 2 hotel rooms, a 2-bedroom is slightly bigger than 3 hotel rooms.

the gv are what 6 hotel room size - probably even bigger.

 

[salmoneous]

However...I think demand for KTV will be consistently high year-round. The allure of being that close to MK and on the monorail will be a huge draw, IMHO. And with the monorail, it will be pretty easy to get to Epcot as well...without bussing.

Let me be a naysayers for just a second, and suggest that demand for CRV won't be as great as folks think.

If there is this huge demand for CRV, why isn't there huge demand for the CR? BWI and BC sell out before CR, and have fewer discounts and codes.

I also want to point out that getting back and forth to Epcot from CRV is going to be a pain in the neck.

And even though that makes logical sense to, I see post after post after post from folks super exicted about CRV. Well see.

 

[spiceycat]

I also want to point out that getting back and forth to Epcot from CRV is going to be a pain in the neck.

going won't be a problem. but coming back after the illiuinations I will agree - walking thru that crowd and then getting to the monrail line. definitely might be a problem. Or not. since I happen to love 'Wishes' and only like 'Illiuinations' these days.

of course the opposite is also true getting to the Mk from the epcot resorts is a pain and returning is too. Hoping the monrail will be easier than the buses that epcot resort use.

that say don't think I am the only one who loves the MK. to be able to buy into the first MK resort is a big deal to us.

now would have preferred Polyn - but don't think that is going to happen. will be very happy with any DVC resort on the monrail. Don't think I am the only one.

lately though that CR was selling out - when did that change? the new design is a big hit and this resort does stay sold out most of the time.

now I hope that DVC does us better. that sink looks good but isn't something for people with kids.

 

[LadyTrampScamp&Angel]

hoping that members get their 2 months sell before public - that we generally get - but again no guarantees.

I hope so too!

Thanks for helping me with the size too. Wishes from your villa - won't that be amazing?

Yeah, I guess I'm gonna wait to see what the deal is when it's officially announced. I didn't realize that it's supposed to have less studio and 1 bedrooms. We'd be looking at a 1 or 2 bedroom . . .

 

[Dean]

IMO, it depends in large part of factors we don't know completely at this point. Assuming a similar points structure to AKV, I think it will be extremely difficult for the times the rest of the destination resorts are difficult but there will be times, and likely options, where one can get in about half the year.

 

[LadyTrampScamp&Angel]

I know, it's tough since we don't have any official info right now. I would want that MK view though! Even if it's more points I think that'll be hard to get.

 

[AlexTina]

I have been thinking about this myself. DH and I are seriously considering buying in and the incentives at AKV is really pushing me, BUT if KT is going to be a DVC resort we would really rather that be our home resort. Hmmmm, we'll see. Maybe I'll bring it up the next time my guide calls. See if I can get some inside info, LOL..

 

[Tinkerdreams]

The fact that BLT (Bay Lake Tower) - new name just announced - will be very popular and will be next to impossible to get at 7 months. If BLT sells out quickly, and I believe it will, then don't be surprised if the other wing is torn down and a second tower is raised. It would double the number of villas available to book at 7 months which would satisfy non-BLT owners in being able to stay.

There is no doubt that if the first tower sells out in record time, a second will be constructed. It's all about the $$$$$

 

[LadyTrampScamp&Angel]

AlexTina - If you get any new info - please share


Tinkerdreams - interesting theory, and I see that post about the name, got to go read that!

 

[JimMIA]

it will be smaller than bw 533, so far the rooms were between 295 and 350. a little bigger than BCV -282.

It's sometimes hard to get a consensus on how many units there are in a resort. I was going by the AllEars numbers, which are 383 for BWV and 205 for BCV. I think your estimate of 295-350 is pretty accurate for KTV.

 

[JimMIA]

I also want to point out that getting back and forth to Epcot from CRV is going to be a pain in the neck.

I disagree. We've done the Epcot to MK monorail (and back, obviously) just to see what it was like, and it wasn't bad.

Monorail is not as easy as driving, and certainly not as easy as walking to Epcot from BCV or BWV, but it is a LOT easier than bussing, IMHO. There are certain times when it would be nuts, but bussing would be equally difficult at those times.

 

[FLYNZ4]

I disagree. We've done the Epcot to MK monorail (and back, obviously) just to see what it was like, and it wasn't bad.

Monorail is not as easy as driving, and certainly not as easy as walking to Epcot from BCV or BWV, but it is a LOT easier than bussing, IMHO. There are certain times when it would be nuts, but bussing would be equally difficult at those times.

I agree with Jim. The monorail often looks busy... but it swallows up a lot of people on each trip.

Regarding the trip from MK to BLT... It is a very short and easy walk for those that are able bodied.

/Jim

 

[spiceycat]

It's sometimes hard to get a consensus on how many units there are in a resort. I was going by the AllEars numbers, which are 383 for BWV and 205 for BCV. I think your estimate of 295-350 is pretty accurate for KTV.

My numbers come from AAA or the disney documents - don't remember which.

you know that junk disney gives you when you buy.

the 295-350 comes from estimates done here.

Should have asked when had excess to the darn plans!!!! but didn't.

just got told that it was mostly 2-bedrooms. again don't know if this is really 2-bedroom - or like AKV will be 1 bedrooms and studios that can easily be unattached. don't know - just hope so!

that say the man reading the plans knew what he was talking about. so would still go with mostly 2-bedrooms.

really hope that DVC changes that - they can right - I mean the different between a dedicated and lock out studio is just the outside door on the studio. (okay the inside door too - but that stays just asking for a outside door on some of 2nd bedroom parts)

really like studios and if what I got told was correct. getting a studio (unless you own) will be a pain.

 

[bookwormde]

By the look of the facade, there is a dividing wall at the balconies that looks like the 2brs may all may be lock offs

bookwormde

 

[jade1]

I also want to point out that getting back and forth to Epcot from CRV is going to be a pain in the neck.

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Yea I dont get this one either. Wont they still have buses from EPCOT to BLT? Sounds like an extra choice (monorail) most other resorts wont even have. How can that be a bad thing? Now if they dont have buses, it may (or may not) be the "pain" described.

 

[spiceycat]

I don't think the Polyn, gf or cr has buses now to Epcot.

WL and FW do.

but didn't think the others did?

could be wrong.

 

[mopee3]

The fact that BLT (Bay Lake Tower) the other wing is torn down and a second tower is raised.
There is no doubt that if the first tower sells out in record time, a second will be constructed. It's all about the $$$$$

Hum,
If I look from above, you know from the moon, at the addition of the tower (Bay Lake Tower) and an additional tower where the two story, or is it three story unit is now. All I would have to do is get rid of the main unit an put up a new BIG round 12 story with the monorail going through it and you have a "Hidden Mickey"!! Maybe the biggest hidden mickey on the planet, of course it might take 20 years to complete!

M