How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[sunshinehighway]

All medical diagrams will usually be in anatomical position... this is the standard position for reference... important becuase your lower arm bones (radius and ulna) rotate over eachother depending if you are palms out (supination) vs palms in (pronation) ... I also teach A&P.

Anatomical position
feet planted about shoulder width apart and toes pointing straight ahead (feet side by side... not turned out like ballet) .

Arms at side with palms facing forward.

head position neutral and looking straight ahead.

take a minute and stand like this and turn your hands palm in and back to palm out... you will see how different parts of the arm are visible depending on rotation... but the biceps does not move as much as the forarm. The autopsy diagram is in anatomical position.

OK..I think see the confusion. I guess I'm talking about the lowest wound. I saw biceps but somehow it didn't register with me that's not the wound in talking about.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Now, I'm confused. So much for looking in my mirror. Please explain how Brown could get those wounds on his arms if they were raised. I'm not being snarky.

I should have been more clear. I'm only talking about the one below the elbow.

 

[Disneychick75]

I haven't listened to the call. I have no desire to. I love all these fools that start flapping their gums thinking they are going to help someone. I sincerely doubt this cop told her or his significant other exactly what happened. He would be pretty stupid to go against what his PBA Rep told him.

Sorry, forgot the link:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html
I don't know what his PBA rep told him but:
A source with detailed knowledge of the investigation later told CNN the caller's account is "accurate," in that it matches what Wilson has told investigators.

 

[OurBigTrip]

black on white killings are ok dude..

So, at the risk of escalating this statement to a level it doesn't deserve, I have to respond to this.

I don't believe that the statement is true, although I'm sure a tiny fraction of a minority of people believe that black on white killings are OK.

I do however believe that there is very often an instant assumption that a white on black killing is racially motivated, whereas very rarely is a black on white killing assumed to be racially motivated.

This occurs especially at the federal level; if the exact same scenario had occurred in Ferguson, but with a white man being shot by a black police officer, does anyone really believe that there would be 40 FBI agents in town, conducting an investigation into civil rights violations? Of course not.

 

[livie1205]

But that's you as a regular person. That doesn't mean that's what a cop is supposed to do. They are supposed to neutralize the that. If he's falling to the ground then he's no longer a that and as a trained professional a cop is supposed to stop shooting.

Do you know what they are trained to do? .... Nevermind ��

 

[OurBigTrip]

And a CNN reporter is about to be arrested...

 

[Viva Las Disney]

I agree 100%. But if what we end up with, as you rightly fear, is a total mixed bag, what should "the authorities" then do? If they feel they have a weak case, do they then go ahead and push forward with the trial that's being demanded but the masses? If a jury (stop me if you've heard this one lately!) cannot find enough to then convict... then what? Is the next stop a Federal civil rights violation prosecution?

With everything we've learned so far it's possible there is enough to charge the officer but does anyone think they could prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt he wasn't acting in self defense?

This is looking more and more like the Trayvon Martin case every day, with the current information we have I don't see any possible scenario that results in a conviction.

It does not take that long to fire 6 shots from an automatic... easily 1- 2 seconds max. Here is a unrelated article that talks about how fast a gun can fire if you are interested in some of the stats for these kind of high power automatic handguns...

3 shots in less than a second for a novice... a trained officer would be even quicker.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...can_you_shoot_a_handgun_in_seven_minutes.html

This is a great point, people keep talking about 6 shots being excessive but it's really just a second or 2 of time and is reactionary rather than thought out. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out the officer emptied his whole 12 or 15 round clip if he felt threatened.

You know something that annoys me? 2 days after Wilson shot Brown, an African-American cop, Hudson, shot an unarmed Caucasian man, Gaynier, who charged at him in Dallas. Gaynier has a rap sheet as some have said Brown had. Have we seen riots, looting, and charges of racism? No.

Not only have we not seen riots, no one has even heard about it.

Is anyone surprised by this? It's the same reason black on black, black on white, white on hispanic, white on white, hispanic on white, etc, etc, etc crime doesn't get the same attention, it doesn't fuel racism so the race baiter's like Sharpton and Jackson ignore it and it can't be sensationalized so the media ignores it.

 

[pat fan]

And a CNN reporter is about to be arrested...

why?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

So, at the risk of escalating this statement to a level it doesn't deserve, I have to respond to this.

I don't believe that the statement is true, although I'm sure a tiny fraction of a minority of people believe that black on white killings are OK.

I do however believe that there is very often an instant assumption that a white on black killing is racially motivated, whereas very rarely is a black on white killing assumed to be racially motivated.

This occurs especially at the federal level; if the exact same scenario had occurred in Ferguson, but with a white man being shot by a black police officer, does anyone really believe that there would be 40 FBI agents in town, conducting an investigation into civil rights violations? Of course not.

I agree. But why is that?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

And a CNN reporter is about to be arrested...

Why?

 

[Viva Las Disney]

And a CNN reporter is about to be arrested...

That was strange, no one was arrested but the police just decided to clear the sidewalk that CNN had been reporting from all morning and a bunch of people had gathered on.

Just goes to show how to properly handle something and how not to handle something. The first officer just started commanding everyone to move and was met with resistance until another officer got on the bull horn and explained it was because people were getting to close to the street and they were afraid someone might get hit by a car.

One is met with resistance, one is met with acceptance.

 

[TLSnell1981]

That was strange, no one was arrested but the police just decided to clear the sidewalk that CNN had been reporting from all morning and a bunch of people had gathered on.

Just goes to show how to properly handle something and how not to handle something. The first officer just started commanding everyone to move and was met with resistance until another officer got on the bull horn and explained it was because people were getting to close to the street and they were afraid someone might get hit by a car.

One is met with resistance, one is met with acceptance.

A photographer was just "escorted" from the area....in handcuffs.

 

[OurBigTrip]

I think it's going to be a bad night in Ferguson...so hope I'm wrong.

 

[Geoff_M]

With everything we've learned so far it's possible there is enough to charge the officer but does anyone think they could prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt he wasn't acting in self defense?

This is looking more and more like the Trayvon Martin case every day, with the current information we have I don't see any possible scenario that results in a conviction.

I agree that based on what's been released to date, we're far from understanding what did or didn't happen between the two men. However, the problem with things like this is "You don't know what you don't know." There's still a possibility that clarifying bits of data may emerge. Which is why I think it's good advice to not become too emotionally intrenched in an early position.

 

[Jex]

Offer to let any lawabiding citizen the chance to leave, then leave the city for those who want to destroy it.

 

[Viva Las Disney]

Offer to let any lawabiding citizen the chance to leave, then leave the city for those who want to destroy it.

Why should the 99% who are law abiding citizens leave to allow the 1% who are criminals the freedom to destroy their homes?

I'd guess the vast majority of the residents in Ferguson are hiding in their houses in fear each night and I'm glad the national guard has been called in to restore some order, they should have been called in earlier.

I have no sympathy for the looters and rioters but great sympathy for those that are protesting peacefully and just trying to live their lives with all this chaos around them.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

Why should the 99% who are law abiding citizens leave to allow the 1% who are criminals the freedom to destroy their homes?

I'd guess the vast majority of the residents in Ferguson are hiding in their houses in fear each night and I'm glad the national guard has been called in to restore some order, they should have been called in earlier.

I have no sympathy for the looters and rioters but great sympathy for those that are protesting peacefully and just trying to live their lives with all this chaos around them.

Agree.

I grew up in North County btw, near that area.

I am sure residents are living in fear. It is just awful.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

All medical diagrams will usually be in anatomical position... this is the standard position for reference... important becuase your lower arm bones (radius and ulna) rotate over eachother depending if you are palms out (supination) vs palms in (pronation) ... I also teach A&P.

Anatomical position
feet planted about shoulder width apart and toes pointing straight ahead (feet side by side... not turned out like ballet) .

Arms at side with palms facing forward.

head position neutral and looking straight ahead.

take a minute and stand like this and turn your hands palm in and back to palm out... you will see how different parts of the arm are visible depending on rotation... but the biceps does not move as much as the forarm. The autopsy diagram is in anatomical position.

Thanks so much for the detailed explanation.

It does still make more sense even with all of that that it has to be from the front. It makes more confusing the position of his arm at the time, though.

 

[Disneychick75]

Thanks so much for the detailed explanation.

It does still make more sense even with all of that that it has to be from the front. It makes more confusing the position of his arm at the time, though.

I made an A in anatomy and Physiology but I'm spatially challenged when it comes to imagining the bullet wounds which is why I was standing in front of the mirror with my hands up like a goofball.

 

[Missy1961]

Offer to let any lawabiding citizen the chance to leave, then leave the city for those who want to destroy it.

So you want them to give up their homes? Where do they go? Truly, that makes no sense. Why should the majority who are law abiding citizens have to leave?