Homeschooling programs, requirements, etc?

Should I Homeschool All Day?



Often, homeschool moms get burned out because they are trying to match the hours of the public school day. They insist their child sits at the table for 45 minutes to an hour doing math. They insist the entire hour lesson of grammar be completed before moving on to science. Within weeks the kids are burned out, mom is burned out; everyone hates homeschooling.



But this is unnecessary. First, studies have shown that short lessons achieve far greater results in academic retention and retrieval than lengthy lessons. Second, wee must conquer the lie that the kids at school are getting more of an education than our children because they are at school all day long.



We see the neighbors hop on the school bus at 7:30, returning at 2:30 each day; and we are certain that they are engaged in learning most of those hours away.



Well, several recent research studies have shown that for every 50 minute class period, only 28% of that time is spent in engaged learning. That means that for every subject in school, the students only spend about 14 minutes being taught or involved in learning activities. The rest of the time is wasted on lining up, changing classes or rooms, taking books out, putting books away, dealing with discipline issues, answering unimportant questions, handing out papers, handing out assignments, giving homework assignments, explaining what is expected and lecturing on topics unrelated to actual academic learning.



The subjects covered in school are math, social studies, science, P.E, language arts, foreign language, health and arts. Generally, arts and p.e alternate, as do science and health. Thus, in a typical school day, the students only have 84 minutes of actual learning time, that's less than an hour and a half each day. They are gone seven hours to receive less than an hour and a half of instruction and actual learning.



Here is what one classroom teacher writes in her weblog:

As individuals, with some notable exceptions, I like every one of my 180-or-so students this year. But en masse, they make me freakin' crazy! They assume that any time there are not actual words coming from my mouth, they have permission to talk. I then spend 3 minutes getting everyone back on task, only to be interrupted by a request to sign something, a phone call, or a p.a. announcement. Actual time spent teaching is probably 3% of the class period.



Though she is guessing, if her calculations are correct, the time our neighbors spend at school equals only about nine minutes of instruction the entire day. Giving the schools the benefit of the doubt, we'll stick to the hour and a half calculated in the scientific research studies. Remember, also, these studies spanned grades K - 12.



So, do your children spend an hour and a half each day learning - either reading, writing or discussing school subjects with you? Are their minds engaged for an hour and a half throughout the entire day? If so, you are doing better than the schools across the nation.

If we think this through further, if the school children only have fourteen minutes of instruction or learning during each subject, what if they are not paying attention during those crucial minutes? Most students are so distracted by the noises, movements and issues encountered in a typical classroom, that it is difficult to focus on the subject at hand. The fact is, as home educators, when we engage our children in any kind of learning, we are very aware of the moment they quit paying attention. The one-on-one instruction of homeschooling is far superior to a teacher lecturing to a class of 25 students. So many distractions to education are immediately eliminated in the homeschool environment. If our children only spend 14 minutes on each subject, they are still more engaged, more attentive and more focused than they would be at school.



As far as academics and instruction goes, homeschooling wins hands down. Do not believe the lie that your children would be better off in school. Don't listen to those voices in your head telling you that you can't do this. You can! You can do it better than they do it in school. You are capable. Your children are capable of doing it mostly on their own! In fact, that's the second point I would like to make - if we embrace the ideal that our children should become independent learners, we release a great deal of the burden of homeschooling.
 
I have to disagree with starting with HSLDA. Their website offers a brief synopsis of your state law based on their lawyers interpretations of it. Their synopsis is *completely* wrong for my state. You are better off searching 'your state' homeschool laws. Normally the information is buried somwhere on the state DOE webpage, but only a bloodhound or google can find it! LOL

After reading the HSLDA website if you feel ike you *have*to join before Child Protection Services comes beating down your door, please make an informed choice by reading all of the fine print. On their website, they tell you regardless of dues paid that they do not have to represent you and list several cases where they will not. They also lobby for other non homeschooling issues which gives the incorrect impression that ALL homeschoolers feel this way when in fact just a percentage of them do.....



It's detoxing from the misconstrued thinking that learning only happens between the hours of 7am and 4pm while sitting in a desk being lectured to, working out of often bland and watered down texts and doing worksheets designed as busywork.....



Remember the difference in the definitions of the words SOCIALIZING and SOCIALIZATION. Socialization is "a continuing process whereby an individual acquires a personal identity and learns the norms, values, behavior, and social skills appropriate to his or her social position." This is best not handled by a group of same age peers. Socializing is "the act of meeting for social purposes" - something not really allowed during the school day. Often the two words are intertwined - so unless you plan to chain yoru son to the kicthen table or hide him in a closet and never again let him see the light of day - don't stress on the 'what about socialization' question.


You are my new hero. :)

My stepmom and some friends are always going on about "socialization", and they just can't hear me when I tell them that what they are describing is socializing, which is just hanging out with other kids. DS loves other kids and does well when he sees them, but I'm much more interested in helping him become a comfortable member of society...he can get along with children and adults as easily as the other, and I love that. All without preschool.


However, just b/c of the television we do watch, he has a false sense of what school is, and I've heard him say something like "when I go to school I can read". AUGH! I've talked to him about how he is already learning to read with memorization and recognition, but b/c of stinkin' TV he's gotten the idea that he "will" learn it in school. Sigh.


As for HSLDA, I like looking at their website, but yeah, some of their other things are repugnant to me, and I could never give them money. :confused3




To the OP, good for you for doing this with your child!!!
 
I am considering homeschooling my DD 4 I have 2 reasons one I think schools these days teach to much to the standardized test. thanks to the no child left behind act. also in my state we have the robinhood for of school funding. schools that are in a higher tax bracket have to give more to schools in a not so high tax bracket.
2nd reason I went to a private Christian school my whole school career my DH went for high school. I want my DD to have that as well. but all the private schools in my town are over an hour drive from where I live and are very expensive so not sure if I could afford it.

So I am reading and taking notes. thanks
 
I was a public school teacher (middle and high school) for over 16 years.....yup, this is pretty accurate! Some days are also eaten up with state testing, pep rallies, earthquake drills (or fire), lockdowns, assemblies, etc......and on and on.....

What gets me is that my 3rd grader is at school from 7:30-2:15 and then comes home with an additional one to two hours of homework!

We can't get them back home fast enough. They have gone to school for almost 50 days of their lives and this may well be the ONLY 50 days they will ever go.

DH calls public school a "fairly decent public babysitting service for those who need it!" :rotfl2:

Dawn


Should I Homeschool All Day?



Often, homeschool moms get burned out because they are trying to match the hours of the public school day. They insist their child sits at the table for 45 minutes to an hour doing math. They insist the entire hour lesson of grammar be completed before moving on to science. Within weeks the kids are burned out, mom is burned out; everyone hates homeschooling.



But this is unnecessary. First, studies have shown that short lessons achieve far greater results in academic retention and retrieval than lengthy lessons. Second, wee must conquer the lie that the kids at school are getting more of an education than our children because they are at school all day long.



We see the neighbors hop on the school bus at 7:30, returning at 2:30 each day; and we are certain that they are engaged in learning most of those hours away.



Well, several recent research studies have shown that for every 50 minute class period, only 28% of that time is spent in engaged learning. That means that for every subject in school, the students only spend about 14 minutes being taught or involved in learning activities. The rest of the time is wasted on lining up, changing classes or rooms, taking books out, putting books away, dealing with discipline issues, answering unimportant questions, handing out papers, handing out assignments, giving homework assignments, explaining what is expected and lecturing on topics unrelated to actual academic learning.



The subjects covered in school are math, social studies, science, P.E, language arts, foreign language, health and arts. Generally, arts and p.e alternate, as do science and health. Thus, in a typical school day, the students only have 84 minutes of actual learning time, that's less than an hour and a half each day. They are gone seven hours to receive less than an hour and a half of instruction and actual learning.



Here is what one classroom teacher writes in her weblog:

As individuals, with some notable exceptions, I like every one of my 180-or-so students this year. But en masse, they make me freakin' crazy! They assume that any time there are not actual words coming from my mouth, they have permission to talk. I then spend 3 minutes getting everyone back on task, only to be interrupted by a request to sign something, a phone call, or a p.a. announcement. Actual time spent teaching is probably 3% of the class period.



Though she is guessing, if her calculations are correct, the time our neighbors spend at school equals only about nine minutes of instruction the entire day. Giving the schools the benefit of the doubt, we'll stick to the hour and a half calculated in the scientific research studies. Remember, also, these studies spanned grades K - 12.



So, do your children spend an hour and a half each day learning - either reading, writing or discussing school subjects with you? Are their minds engaged for an hour and a half throughout the entire day? If so, you are doing better than the schools across the nation.

If we think this through further, if the school children only have fourteen minutes of instruction or learning during each subject, what if they are not paying attention during those crucial minutes? Most students are so distracted by the noises, movements and issues encountered in a typical classroom, that it is difficult to focus on the subject at hand. The fact is, as home educators, when we engage our children in any kind of learning, we are very aware of the moment they quit paying attention. The one-on-one instruction of homeschooling is far superior to a teacher lecturing to a class of 25 students. So many distractions to education are immediately eliminated in the homeschool environment. If our children only spend 14 minutes on each subject, they are still more engaged, more attentive and more focused than they would be at school.



As far as academics and instruction goes, homeschooling wins hands down. Do not believe the lie that your children would be better off in school. Don't listen to those voices in your head telling you that you can't do this. You can! You can do it better than they do it in school. You are capable. Your children are capable of doing it mostly on their own! In fact, that's the second point I would like to make - if we embrace the ideal that our children should become independent learners, we release a great deal of the burden of homeschooling.
 

I was a public school teacher (middle and high school) for over 16 years.....yup, this is pretty accurate! Some days are also eaten up with state testing, pep rallies, earthquake drills (or fire), lockdowns, assemblies, etc......and on and on.....

What gets me is that my 3rd grader is at school from 7:30-2:15 and then comes home with an additional one to two hours of homework!

We can't get them back home fast enough. They have gone to school for almost 50 days of their lives and this may well be the ONLY 50 days they will ever go.

DH calls public school a "fairly decent public babysitting service for those who need it!" :rotfl2:

Dawn

I don't buy it. I wasn't a particularly good teacher, but I had most of the kids on task for at least 30 minutes of a 50 minute class period.
 
A good book to written by Mel Levine called "The Myth of Laziness" might give you some insite as to why your boy is not fitting into the mold of what the teachers need him to be.

I wonder if you could go to your school and ask for a scope and sequence (what will be taught in second grade) or there are book out there "What my second grader needs to know"

Perhaps you could approcach things like this: for example lets say he is to learn his times table. You could approach it through games. Perhaps throwing a ball back and forth and when he gets it right he gets to sink a basket (garbage can if it is raining). Use cards or dice to do times table...make or find online times table bingo. USe online free math fact games, look at the program "times tale" (a story to help remember facts), go to the beach and do the times table in the sand. Do a combo of things...just make it fun. If he lasts for 3 minutes...let him take a break and go back to it or one of the other options. His concentration will increase as he realizes learning can be fun.

So although he hasn't opened a book...he has the skill cemented and the facts are there to stay. He may be acting up in school because he is not challenged and would rather be outside running. So... if that is what he needs to be successful....then that is the key to school him. He will out grow that stage either way...but the results can be very different. You want him to love learning.

If he is hyper...like many boys...you might want to do something physical with him first, then do some sit down work. THEN...read to him while he plays lego, make a fort for him to do his reading in, let him practice math while HE is cooking with you.

Find out what is learning style is (the way they learn by teresa tobis<--not sure on the spelling) and what he likes to do and use that. Basketball? Skateboarding? Star Wars?

Like you, we started off just doing one year with one boy....the other kids begged to be homeschooled too so... now ....here we are 8 years later with three at home (the oldest has gone off to college at 16). People ask me all the time..."how long are you gloing to homeschool for?" My answer has always been the same...we will re visit it at the end of the year...then decide if we are doing another year."

Most of all...don't feel bad about what teachers are saying about your son..Im sure they are fanastic...just... it might not be a good fit for your boy...and he is telling everyone in the only way he know how:)

Lucky he has you for his mom!
 
We've been thinking about homeschooling one of our kids (DS12) due to problems he's been having in public school, and have been recommended to look into Alpha Omega Publications.

Where is the best place to buy the required materials? Online? In-store? eBay?

What else will we need besides the main package?

Is the Bible curriculum actually required?
(Not that I'm against the Bible or anything like that, but we've got very limited funds, and that would probably be the first thing dropped. Don't look at me like that, DS gets Bible teaching already)

Is there anything we're overlooking?

Thanks in advance!
If you're Catholic or have Catholic friends and/or relatives, stay away from Abeka. Abeka is the primary funding source (outside of tuition) for Pensacola Christian College, which is fairly anti-Catholic (they think of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University as being a liberal college).
 
If you're Catholic or have Catholic friends and/or relatives, stay away from Abeka. Abeka is the primary funding source (outside of tuition) for Pensacola Christian College, which is fairly anti-Catholic (they think of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University as being a liberal college).

lol:rotfl:
 
Oh, boy, lots to reply to, I hope I don't forget anything!

OK, I see what you mean about detoxing from the school environment. We'll see how things go.

I don't think we'll have any problems with the school contacting CPS, they seem relieved that they won't have to be dealing with DS for a while.

We are so lucky that our family and friends are supportive of our decision, and are actually helping us with research and networking!

DS was actually tested by a teacher from the church we used to go to. She used to teach high school, and I think she said she has 2 degrees or she went to college for 8 years or so (it's been a while, and I was pregnant at the time, so I couldn't follow much, but hubby was satisfied with her) and she told us that his math skills were beyond her!

And, I'll have to come back.
 
Congratulations on choosing to homeschool. Be warned though you will have moments of doubts. I have homeschooled for 15 years. My oldest is in college, my next oldest has just applied to college and I have a 9th and 3rd grader. We have tried a lot of different materials over the years. For the most part we love Sonlight. Each child learns a little differently so you will find that you adapt things to their learning style, but that is what is so great about homeschooling. I would be bored if we used workbooks. If you have any questions PM me and I will be glad to help how I can.
 
I quickly learned that I can't go by what other parents say about individual teachers...no matter how much I respect that parent. Every kid is different and you never know how they will interact with that student.


I'm not going off what other moms have said. I've been extremely active and involved at this school for 5 years now, and this is based on what I've seen first hand. No way would my child be placed in a class with a teacher who treats her students the way I've seen these ladies act. They are all tenured, so there's not alot that can be done unless they lay a hand on a child, which I observed one come dangerously close to doing last year. My child has come so far in the past two years from the child who sat in the corner and wouldn't interact to now actually voluntarily raising his hand and wanting to participate. I have no doubt he would digress if placed in one these classes, and I'm not going to allow that to happen. Personally, I don't think homeschooling is best in our situation, but it would be the better option if he is placed in one of these classes and the principal won't move him.
 
If you're Catholic or have Catholic friends and/or relatives, stay away from Abeka. Abeka is the primary funding source (outside of tuition) for Pensacola Christian College, which is fairly anti-Catholic (they think of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University as being a liberal college).

HUH?!?

I used ABeka for years with ds (who is now enrolled in private school) and there was NOTHING "anti-Catholic" about it. Nothing we ever received re: PCC was either. I realize that you live in Pensacola, but come on! Why would I avoid a GREAT hsing program just because I have Catholic friends (which I do ... my best friend is Catholic, as is my godson)? Just because a denomination doesn't share Catholic beliefs doesn't make them anti-Catholic. :confused3

ABeka is a great program. It definitely prepared him for high school. I certainly wouldn't rule it out because I have Catholic friends -- they certainly were never offended that I used it!
 
Do you homeschool? Are you supportive of homeschooling?

So 3 hours of actual instruction out of a 7.5 hour day is GOOD? That is what I am not buying.

Dawn

I don't buy it. I wasn't a particularly good teacher, but I had most of the kids on task for at least 30 minutes of a 50 minute class period.
 
FWIW, I homeschool very cheaply, following a Charlotte Mason approach.

We use MEP math from the CIMT program from the UK--free! Well, I should say there's a bit of expense with paper and ink, but I refill my own black ink cartridges for pennies.

We also use the outline described at amblesideonline and also oldfashionededucation for literature and history selections. You can print off tons of wonderful, mind stimulating literature that is NOT dumbed down and build an amazing vocabulary with your child from these selections! Free from the Baldwin Project (you can donate to the site if you choose to), you will find wonderful literature--the Thornton Burgess animal stories, wonderful poetry, and our current fave, Clara Dillingham Pierson's books of animal stories.

So.....a library card, a computer and printer, some cheap paper and ink, and you're actually set to go.

That being said, I also have built up a great home library for pennies on the dollar by shopping thrift stores, library sales, and garage sales for good books. I have found workbooks for 25 cents with only a few pages written in, and have used these as "warm-up" pages before we start our actual lessons for the day.

I also try to incorporate some of Maria Montessori's style of teaching into our days. I've made lots of Montessori materials cheaply with a laminator from Walmart marked down to $9, and a box of laminating sheets from Sam's club for $14 or $19. Lots of great printables free for this at montessorimaterials.org.

I try to share what I've learned with homeschoolers in my area about homeschooling on the cheap. I'm just not convinced that I need to spend a fortune on books and materials for what we need.

Good luck with this endeavor!

Oh, I meant to add.... we also get lots of mileage from one of those big dry-erase boards you get from Lowe's or Home Depot in the paneling dept. I found 3 of them one day at Lowe's marked down from ~$11 to $2.50! We use them for spelling words (I don't use a purchased program for that either!), vocabulary (from our readings), math problems or puzzle diagrams from the lessons, and copywork. I've definitely gotten my money's worth from that purchase!!
 
HUH?!?

I used ABeka for years with ds (who is now enrolled in private school) and there was NOTHING "anti-Catholic" about it. Nothing we ever received re: PCC was either. I realize that you live in Pensacola, but come on! Why would I avoid a GREAT hsing program just because I have Catholic friends (which I do ... my best friend is Catholic, as is my godson)? Just because a denomination doesn't share Catholic beliefs doesn't make them anti-Catholic. :confused3

This goes beyond having different beliefs. Most Christian denominations aren't anti-Catholic. PCC's denomination (actually I think they are non-denominational) is an almost cult-like group. For example PCA is a high school they run. In the 6th grade, the children are required to sign a form that says that they won't listen to certain kinds of music (that's ok, I guess), and most importantly that they won't talk about sex with anybody not related to the school, INCLUDING their parents. (for this reason, the local public middle schools have a huge influx of PCA students)

ABeka is a great program. It definitely prepared him for high school. I certainly wouldn't rule it out because I have Catholic friends -- they certainly were never offended that I used it!

They weren't aware. If I didn't live in Pensacola, I wouldn't have been either. PCC is mainly funded by the proceeds of Abeka. I'm not saying anything bad about the Abeka program educationally. I just don't recommend funding what I think to be a wrong-headed organization. There are other HSing programs that are good, that don't support such organizations.
 
Do you homeschool? Are you supportive of homeschooling?

So 3 hours of actual instruction out of a 7.5 hour day is GOOD? That is what I am not buying.

Dawn

I don't homeschool. I think homeschooling is a good option for some parents. It wouldn't work well for my family. My wife and I aren't objective enough about our boys' abilities.

3 of 7.5 isn't good. 4 of 7.5 is acceptable. Life is inefficient. A student would burn out if for some reason they could be on task 7.5 hrs out of 7.5 hrs. People need breaks, they need to switch up. The brain isn't a sponge.
 


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