Holy Diagon Alley Batman!

Popularity isn't the point that I was trying to make. My point is staying power. The Spurs have kept the same formula for 15 years and have 5 Championships to show for it. The Clippers use to be bad (Universal) and have recently gained immense popularity, are winning more games, and are the shiny new thing. But, do you think they will have 5 Championships in the next 15 years? Nope.
Still not following. How do we know which team will have more championships in the next 15 years? If I were to bet, I'd say the Clippers. One team is on the rise and the other is about to be on a decline. 10 years ago you could have said that the Lakers were Disney. But that dynasty ended and is a long way from being revived. Sports franchises just don't support your point because of constant change. The Heat were the worst team in the league not too long ago. Then they were the best. Now, maybe middle of the pack.
 
Still not following. How do we know which team will have more championships in the next 15 years? If I were to bet, I'd say the Clippers. One team is on the rise and the other is about to be on a decline. 10 years ago you could have said that the Lakers were Disney. But that dynasty ended and is a long way from being revived. Sports franchises just don't support your point because of constant change. The Heat were the worst team in the league not too long ago. Then they were the best. Now, maybe middle of the pack.

History. Certain teams have a history of bouncing back. The Lakers and Celtics have won in multiple decades while others have never. What does history tell you?
 
I guarantee that those that find the Spurs offense exciting are closer to Tim Duncans age and not Blake Griffin.

You'd be wrong. I'm 25.

What is the average age of the most recognizable players? Tim Duncan is 37 and Blake Griffin is 2?


I wouldn't say Blake is the most recognizable player on the Clippers. Chris Paul is the only Clipper that is top 10 in jersey sales. But in any event, most 'recognizable' players' is a straw man argument. The Spurs relied on young players like Green, Leonard, and Mills. Their offense doesn't work without their energy and athleticism. That's what made watching them exciting especially in contrast to the slower paced game the Heat played.

The ball movement and ppg does not equal excitement.


But it does. The ball movement of the 2014 Spurs is extremely exciting, as judged by me and the entirety of the sports commentators that were gushing over it post-Finals. Heck it's what made showtime in L.A. so fun, not dunks. Magic and those guys were all about great ball movement and fast paced action.

Lots of fans would rather see 10 dunks instead of 20 layups.

Agreed, and fortunately the Spurs provided the on fire 3 point shooting, Houdini layups, and the highleet reel dunks, a variety of fun offense anybody could enjoy.


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Statistics don't include excitement.

No, but fast break opportunities, beautiful behind the back passes, and shooters that can't miss is exciting to watch. You don't need to know that they were shooting 70% in a half to know that what you were watching sure was fun.

And that young MVP is a product of that old system, but I digress.

Old system? Are you sure you watched the Spurs in the early 2000's? Their old system was focused on post play, and was very slow and methodical. Their new system is focused on ball movement, shooting in transition, and wearing out defenses with athleticism and shooting. The 2014 Spurs system is NOTHING like the old Spurs System. I found the Spurs teams of the early 2000's to be effective but boring but the Spurs of 2012, 2013, 2014? One of the most exciting teams in the league.

Isn't that what a lot of WDW fans are doing? Rooting against Universal because they are a flash in the pan, but WDW has staying power like the Spurs.

But it wasn't just Spurs fans rooting against the Heat, but most of the NBA's fans. I don't see how Universal would be compared to the Heat either. Maybe the Thunder (younger, exciting, but not yet on top) but not the Heat.

I like talking basketball here (though it's probably not appreciated by most here so I'll prolly stop with this post) but the analogy you are using just doesn't fit.
 
WDW has staying power like the Spurs. And that young MVP is a product of that old system, but I digress. :lmao:

Pausing thread to say that I love, love, love that there is a Disboards thread where WDW was compared to the SAS. I don't think there are two things (outside of my family) that I love more than my WDW and my Spurs. :)

Carry on.

VP
 

Hey, I did!

Oh wait, you said "as children", not "... with the maturity level of children". My bad.....;)

I started reading the Harry Potter books when I was 18 and I think either the first 2 or 3 books were already out. The reason I read them was because my dad had started reading them and highly recommended them :)

I have since read and loved every one of them and am desperately trying to get my soon to be 8 year old interested...he's not there yet.
 
Next trip we're actually planning on staying at Universal and only visiting WDW for a few days (we take 2 week trips usually) and seeing what else is going on around Orlando. As much as I love WDW I feel like too much has changed in the last few years for us to enjoy it like we used to and so it's time to switch it up. Not a bad thing at all! There's lots of world to see out there :)
 
Several people have posted that Universal does not connect with people emotionally like Disney. That may have been true a decade ago (not for me, though - I grew up loving the old Universal monsters, and Jaws was my first great movie going experience - I sure connected with that ride) but not anymore.

Just try Googling "Diagon Alley" and "crying". One of the most common reactions to Potter fans upon seeing the new addition for the first time is to burst into tears. So common that it has been mentioned in nearly every story about the opening. I daresay that is an emotional connection.

Oh - I am in Southern Ontario as well, and we seem to see ads for Universal and the new area every day. Not that they can compete with Disney in marketing their brand. No one can. Some seem to feel that's what they're best at nowadays.
 
I started reading the Harry Potter books when I was 18 and I think either the first 2 or 3 books were already out. The reason I read them was because my dad had started reading them and highly recommended them :)

I have since read and loved every one of them and am desperately trying to get my soon to be 8 year old interested...he's not there yet.

Keep it up!

8 years is exactly the age where we were able to get our boys interested in the series. They haven't looked back and there's nothing more wonderful than a book (or series of books) that starts a parent and child down the path of shared, literary experience.

It's a powerful step for a child - the chance to have some of their first "adult-like" discussions with you that don't involve something tangible or visual. Not to be missed, IMO......
 
What does history tell you?

In sports? Nothing. The day before they drafted Michael Jordan, the Bulls had no history of success at all. After that, it rained championships.

In 1970, the Steelers had a history....of being the most hapless franchise in the NFL. Since then? The most successful.

The point is, a few monumental additions (Jordan and Pippen; Bradshaw, Harris, Lambert, Hamm, Greene, Swan) can change fortunes. Maybe HP is Universal's Jordan.
 
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Disney makes choices. They could have chosen to maintain their level of park cleanliness, improve existing attractions, add new attractions, and not reduce staff. Instead they chose to build a guest tracking system. For now, at least, I prefer the choices US has made in recent years.

I agree completely. I find the idea of wearing an RFID chip allegedly for my convenience but really for the purposes of tracking me so they can sell me more stuff to be completely revolting. Especially when the money could have been spent to add more and better rides to AK, DHS and Epcot.
 
Keep it up!

8 years is exactly the age where we were able to get our boys interested in the series. They haven't looked back and there's nothing more wonderful than a book (or series of books) that starts a parent and child down the path of shared, literary experience.

It's a powerful step for a child - the chance to have some of their first "adult-like" discussions with you that don't involve something tangible or visual. Not to be missed, IMO......
This is an absolutely terrible story, but just shows how powerful the Harry Potter connection can be for some.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/12/justice/texas-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

I wish I had the money to pay for a trip to Universal for her. :(
 
I wonder if they could offer subsidized Disney park ticket as part of a flex ticket. Like spend a week with us and purchase 3 days or more admission to Universal and we'll give you a day at Disney for $50. Not sure how smart it is to do something like that in regards to a competitor, but it would certainly be legal...and interesting.

In California there's the flex ticket with Disneyland, Universal Hollywood, and SeaWorld. Seems to be a good bargain if those places were on your "to do" list!

45 pages into this thread... and I still don't know what Batman was doing in Diagon Alley??? I would hope they would keep the character appearances in their appropriate parks!!!!

:rotfl:

I wholeheartedly disagree that Universal doesn't resonate with people emotionally.

I agree with your disagree-ment. :)

But I'm affected while walking up to IOA. I have been known to stop and sit before I get to the gates to listen to the music, which does something on some level to me. It sounds a LOT like some music Imagine Dragons has used in a song, and I will stop and listen to that part of that song if it comes on. As I enter the Port of Entry, I slow down. I don't want to rush, I want to experience the beauty and the sense of, I don't know, peace I get.

Walking up Main Street (especially Disneyland) I get a good feeling too, but not as deep as at IOA.

Hogsmeade gets me on many levels, and I bet Diagon is going to do it more. I've experienced HP-the-books-and-movies on many levels, too. Was in my late 20s when the books came out and I ignored them for awhile. Was working Amazon customer service and didn't want to be a part of the madness, the insanity that I was being shown on a daily basis by the fans. Seriously, the fans were bananas in '99, and it caused me to ask to move to the team that supported electronics, tools, and software (the latter not being all that fun because there were NO returns unless it was actually damaged, and people don't respond well to no returns!) just to get away from the Rowling readers. But finally I started reading them. Then started seeing the movies along with Lord of the Rings, and that whole period of my life (which also found me meeting my now-husband, courting, etc) has layers of emotion and meaning to it. Then we had DS, then later we started showing him the movies, etc, now it's the Lego Harry Potter videogames that my son and I bond with... Layers! And that ALL comes up at Universal.

You would think I would have similar stuff with Disney, but I don't. I cried during the re-release of Cinderella in the 70s, cried and freaked out so much my mom had to leave the movie with me. (those stepsisters!) I disliked the other princess stories. I NEVER liked the characters at disneyland and still don't much care for them. There are a lot of Disney movies I still have never seen. Then in my early 20s I hated big corporations and Disney was, eh hem, the big cheese of 'em all. :) Didn't start understanding why a parent always had to die in Disney movies until my mom died just as I turned 30. (there's no story until that happens...a parent's death makes your life turn in a way it doesn't turn before)

So Disney doesn't do the same thing, doesn't have the same ooomph for me!

Wow that was long, even for me!

Today's parents did not read HP as children. But the HP generation is in their early 20's. Pretty soon it will indeed be about nostalgia and being a child again for them.

Philosopher's Stone came out in '97. Let's say a kid was prime HP age, 11, when that book was read by them. That kid is now 28. Depending on how early that person started their family, they could absolutely have a kid of that same prime age right now. And even if the child isn't 11, heck, most kids have started experiencing the stories WAY younger than that.

Many of today's parents read HP as children. It's just hard to think about how LONG the books have been out!
 
I love the Port of Entry music. I had it as my ringtone for awhile until I realized listening to it everyday could make me hate it. lol.
 
This is an absolutely terrible story, but just shows how powerful the Harry Potter connection can be for some.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/12/justice/texas-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

I wish I had the money to pay for a trip to Universal for her. :(

Oh, how very sad. I looked at the pictures and she reminds me of my own girl and her friends. :( It looks like there are funds set up to help her but it looks like right now they are still raising money to pay for funeral costs and her medical needs. It would be really great if she could get a trip.

I live close to Edinburgh where Jo Rowling lives, and I know that this is the kind of thing that would tug at her heartstrings. She really adores her fans and to know that this sweet girl quoted Dumbledore in her darkest hour...I think she'd want to know. I wonder if JK uses Twitter...

ETA JK Rowling does use Twitter. Maybe someone should tweet this to her and to Universal. (I use Twitter. I have one but I don't remember the password. Any takers?) http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/12/justice/texas-shooting/index.html?eref=rss_topstories Seriously, this really touches my heart.
VP
 
I love the Port of Entry music. I had it as my ringtone for awhile until I realized listening to it everyday could make me hate it. lol.
Same. So glad I picked up the soundtrack before they discontinued selling them. The one I like is called "Ocean Trader Market" on the CD.
 
If I knew Japanese I would go to. Shame shame shame on Disney Florida:-( All that land just sitting there unused..

Please don't let that stop you!! I've been to Tokyo twice...had an absolute blast both times, in Disney and in the city, knowing practically nothing of Japanese at all...everyone is VERY friendly and accommodating even if they don't speak english.

DisneySea is by far my favorite theme park in the world...nothing comes close!! (though I haven't been in Diagon Alley yet :p )
 
Philosopher's Stone came out in '97. Let's say a kid was prime HP age, 11, when that book was read by them. That kid is now 28. Depending on how early that person started their family, they could absolutely have a kid of that same prime age right now. And even if the child isn't 11, heck, most kids have started experiencing the stories WAY younger than that.

Many of today's parents read HP as children. It's just hard to think about how LONG the books have been out!

I read the first book shortly after it was published. I'm a teacher, and our school was participating in a program where we received a bunch of just-published books periodically because the publishers? School Library Journal? wanted teachers to write reviews, I guess. ;)) Anyway, I grabbed Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone from the box. I still remember thinking after I finished it..."gee, I hope she writes a sequel." :rotfl: By the time the fourth book rolled around, I was going to the midnight parties, and by the last couple of movies, my husband and I were going to the midnight showings on release day (night). And I was 37 when I read that first book. Not sure what that says about MY mental age, but I always tell my students when the subject of HP comes up that I wish *I* could go to Hogwarts. And this January, I finally will!

I can't wait for this Universal-only trip! (except for a quick lunch at Sanaa one day ;))
 
Oh, how very sad. I looked at the pictures and she reminds me of my own girl and her friends. :( It looks like there are funds set up to help her but it looks like right now they are still raising money to pay for funeral costs and her medical needs. It would be really great if she could get a trip.

I live close to Edinburgh where Jo Rowling lives, and I know that this is the kind of thing that would tug at her heartstrings. She really adores her fans and to know that this sweet girl quoted Dumbledore in her darkest hour...I think she'd want to know. I wonder if JK uses Twitter...

ETA JK Rowling does use Twitter. Maybe someone should tweet this to her and to Universal. (I use Twitter. I have one but I don't remember the password. Any takers?) http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/12/justice/texas-shooting/index.html?eref=rss_topstories Seriously, this really touches my heart.
VP
Someone should send her a link to this video. 30 seconds in she says that the "Really likes Harry Potter" and then goes on to quote Dumbledore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vizHsmd7VaE

I think Universal should provide her with a trip and FOTL to all of the Wizarding World of Harry Potter and keep it low key. ie, it's ok to mention, but don't turn it into a PR stunt for the park.
 
Several people have posted that Universal does not connect with people emotionally like Disney. That may have been true a decade ago (not for me, though - I grew up loving the old Universal monsters, and Jaws was my first great movie going experience - I sure connected with that ride) but not anymore. Just try Googling "Diagon Alley" and "crying". One of the most common reactions to Potter fans upon seeing the new addition for the first time is to burst into tears. So common that it has been mentioned in nearly every story about the opening. I daresay that is an emotional connection. Oh - I am in Southern Ontario as well, and we seem to see ads for Universal and the new area every day. Not that they can compete with Disney in marketing their brand. No one can. Some seem to feel that's what they're best at nowadays.

What? When? What channel? I have not seen a single commercial. Nothing. Disney was doing a blitz in May, and there was nothing on universal. How could I miss that?
 
I read the first book shortly after it was published. I'm a teacher, and our school was participating in a program where we received a bunch of just-published books periodically because the publishers? School Library Journal? wanted teachers to write reviews, I guess. ;)) Anyway, I grabbed Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone from the box. I still remember thinking after I finished it..."gee, I hope she writes a sequel." :rotfl: By the time the fourth book rolled around, I was going to the midnight parties, and by the last couple of movies, my husband and I were going to the midnight showings on release day (night). And I was 37 when I read that first book. Not sure what that says about MY mental age, but I always tell my students when the subject of HP comes up that I wish *I* could go to Hogwarts. And this January, I finally will!

I can't wait for this Universal-only trip! (except for a quick lunch at Sanaa one day ;))

A large part of the appeal of the HP books are that they don't feel like a young adult book. They truly appeal to all ages. I love to read and out of all the books I have read, the Harry Potter books rank among my all time favorites. In the later books in the series I felt like she was pulling from current events, and transporting them into the Potter world. I don't know much about her personal story, but I bet I could guess as to what her personal politics are ;)

Not to get too off topic, but the "adult" books she did are also very good. The Casual Vacancy was so depressing, but so well written. Cuckoo's Calling was so good I couldn't put it down.

Harry Potter and his world are truly special and because it was so well done it resonates with a lot of people.
 















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