Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[punkin]

In every presidential election, there are 10% of the electorate from both parties who vote across party lines. You guys are simply that 10% this go around.

The OS have been writing us off since February in one way or another. Believe whatever you like, but explain why Obama cannot seem to pull ahead of "grampy McSame" in the polls if it is not due to a significant portion of the electorate who are disillusioned.

 

[Dolce27]

OK... I'm voting for Paris Hilton for President.

Did you guys see her 'get even' with McCain ad? I just noticed that someone started a thread and has it linked.

Oh, and she wants to paint the White House pink. She said she'd see McCain and Obama at the debates... didn't anyone tell her Obama keeps shying away from debates?

 

[chobie]

OK... I'm voting for Paris Hilton for President.

Did you guys see her 'get even' with McCain ad? I just noticed that someone started a thread and has it linked.

Oh, and she wants to paint the White House pink. She said she'd see McCain and Obama at the debates... didn't anyone tell her Obama keeps shying away from debates?

Except for the 20 something he did in the primaries, right? He's ready for the debates, but what he won't do is the play by McCain's rules and fight the battle on McCain's turf (the "town hall" thing). Pretty smart actually.

Oh, that's right -we're not allowed to defend Obama on this thread -only McNasty.

 

[punkin]

OK... I'm voting for Paris Hilton for President.

Did you guys see her 'get even' with McCain ad? I just noticed that someone started a thread and has it linked.

Oh, and she wants to paint the White House pink. She said she'd see McCain and Obama at the debates... didn't anyone tell her Obama keeps shying away from debates?

I loved it.

 

[Dolce27]

Except for the 20 something he did in the primaries, right? He's ready for the debates, but what he won't do is the play by McCain's rules and fight the battle on McCain's turf (the "town hall" thing). Pretty smart actually.

Oh, that's right -we're not allowed to defend Obama on this thread -only McNasty.

Hey Chobie! Welcome back and still twisting my words I see!

 

[JARNJ3]

The OS have been writing us off since February in one way or another.

This is so true.

On another note - found this article on Politico, which I found interesting.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12311.html

Oh and yes to the cliquey thing.

We here formed friendships during the primary - I still enjoy reading all the articles and opinions.

For the record - I am most likely voting for Obama - or not voting at all. I will not have McCain on my conscience (even though I think even he'd be better than W).

 

[KikiFan]

In every presidential election, there are 10% of the electorate from both parties who vote across party lines. You guys are simply that 10% this go around. I just hope that when you vote for a potential McCain presidency that you consider voting Democratic in your state Congressional races.

You're right there usually is 10% that vote across party lines. But I don't think that statistic holds true in this race. Just look on this board. Of all the Hillary supporters, how many of them have decided to vote for Obama? I very much doubt it's 90% I would guess it's more like 60%. I think that holds true nationally as well. If it really were 90% Obama would have a much bigger lead.

 

[Planogirl]

I agree with all of you about this thread. We still have our admiration for Hillary in common, that doesn't change. Her no longer being in the race gives us something else in common which is who do we vote for now. We're not all in agreement about that but we certainly have similar concerns.

Besides I like the people that come here. It's been fun in its way.

 

[shortbun]

Gah seriously? Is it completely beyond your comprehension that some people simply do not feel that Obama is a suitable candidate but that doesn't make us Republicans? Is your POV really that small and black and white?

I'm sorry but your post is insulting. We are a group of friends who have bonded over a shared belief. We believed and still believe that Hillary was the best candidate. Most of us do not trust Obama or feel that at best he's incompetent. That doesn't make us Republicans. No matter how many times you try to make it so.



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Well it certainly doesn't make you democrats! I didn't say you were Republicans, I said you had officially joined the other side and were Obama bashers. You all have the same goal, NOT to elect Obama. My point of view about YOUR point of view has no where to go but 'black and white.' Ya know? Hey, carry on, you are in no way impacting me or my beliefs. I came to this thread to discuss the Clintons and found a thread that was about bashing Obama. Simple as that and very true. Shouldn't bother you that I pointed it out. For those few of you here who are not bashers-the exceptions-I hope you know to consider yourselves out of this discussion. I'm getting into this muck of negative posts so I've got to move forward. Like I said, carry on. I may be back from time to time in hopes you have put some positive bent to this thread. Your gal Hillary hasn't had any trouble going positive. Bill was even guarded but trying the other day. They are great folks!

 

[Planogirl]

Well it certainly doesn't make you democrats! I didn't say you were Republicans, I said you had officially joined the other side and were Obama bashers. You all have the same goal, NOT to elect Obama. My point of view about YOUR point of view has no where to go but 'black and white.' Ya know? Hey, carry on, you are in no way impacting me or my beliefs. I came to this thread to discuss the Clintons and found a thread that was about bashing Obama. Simple as that and very true. Shouldn't bother you that I pointed it out. For those few of you here who are not bashers-the exceptions-I hope you know to consider yourselves out of this discussion. I'm getting into this muck of negative posts so I've got to move forward. Like I said, carry on. I may be back from time to time in hopes you have put some positive bent to this thread. Your gal Hillary hasn't had any trouble going positive. Bill was even guarded but trying the other day. They are great folks!

I'm glad that you noted that we don't all bash Obama. I personally don't think that most here do but whatever.

I will likely vote for him but I won't hold back if I have doubts about his policies and character. He doesn't get a free pass just because he's the Democratic nominee.

 

[Dolce27]

Well it certainly doesn't make you democrats! I didn't say you were Republicans, I said you had officially joined the other side and were Obama bashers. You all have the same goal, NOT to elect Obama. My point of view about YOUR point of view has no where to go but 'black and white.' Ya know? Hey, carry on, you are in no way impacting me or my beliefs. I came to this thread to discuss the Clintons and found a thread that was about bashing Obama. Simple as that and very true. Shouldn't bother you that I pointed it out. For those few of you here who are not bashers-the exceptions-I hope you know to consider yourselves out of this discussion. I'm getting into this muck of negative posts so I've got to move forward. Like I said, carry on. I may be back from time to time in hopes you have put some positive bent to this thread. Your gal Hillary hasn't had any trouble going positive. Bill was even guarded but trying the other day. They are great folks!

So, what are we supposed to be talking about right now? The election is the focal point of the country at the moment which means everything is about Obama and McCain.

You know, I guess that we could, since it relates to the election, talk about what is going on behind closed doors with Hillary. I mean after all, she lost to a man whom she won the popular votes over. She lost to a man who, during the primaries, treated her with utter contempt, falsely accused her of racism and allowed his campaign call to her a monster and totally smeared her character. There have been rumors floating around that the DNC is holding her senate seat over her head – which they’ll make certain she gets voted out if she doesn’t fully cooperate. That’s just rumors but I don’t put anything past the DNC. It’s obvious that there’s a lot of unethical crap going on behind closed doors in their quest to get Obama elected.

You’ve never been on here before to speak about the Clintons, but if you honestly want to – what’s stopping you? Absolutely nothing. If fact, it might get me on a topic other than Obama bashing. But that isn’t the point of your posts – is it? I’m not playing these kinds of games. You’re welcome to come on the Hillary thread and speak about the Clintons and you’re also welcome to stay away if most of my posts (and the others who post on here that are less than thrilled with Obama) offend you.

 

[Dolce27]

This is so true.

On another note - found this article on Politico, which I found interesting.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12311.html

Oh and yes to the cliquey thing.

We here formed friendships during the primary - I still enjoy reading all the articles and opinions.

For the record - I am most likely voting for Obama - or not voting at all. I will not have McCain on my conscience (even though I think even he'd be better than W).

That was a good article. Although, I give Obama more credit for pulling that whole racial thing off than the journalist is. Their blaming it a little on his campaign and primarily on his supporters. Obama is a very behind the scenes man because he doesn’t like to look negative to the public. He’s the man that goes to great lengths to set everything up so that he’ll never have to take the fall. (One of my primary reasons for why I don’t want Hillary running as his VP)

Doing research on Obama, I’m finding that everything to him is about race. That’s his outlook on life: he’s going through life expecting, therefore, looking for, hardships because of his skin color. Plus Axelrod has pulled off another election by pulling the race card (I’ll try to dig up some links in the next couple of days for this one – I don’t know all of the details of it yet myself.) It’s disgusting that this is what the primaries turned into (when it shouldn’t have been about race) and that’s what him and his campaign was trying to turn the general election to. What was it? Not even a week after Obama decided that he was the Democratic nominee that he began making public comments that alluded to the Republicans will be racists without out and out saying it?

Go McCain for finally putting his foot down and calling Obama on it. Of course Obama came back and was all like ‘I wasn’t talking about you’ when everyone knows he was. That’s why Obama will be vague about stuff like that so he can pull the innocent card when he’s called on it. I’m glad that it didn’t work out for him last week ¬– too many people were smart enough to see what exactly was going on.

I just feel bad for the Clintons. They’re good people who’ve done a lot of work for a lot of people – regardless of skin color. That picture in the article was taken in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina? I thought some of Obama’s vocal supporters were all after Hillary that the Clintons ‘didn’t do anything for the Katrina’ victims'?? The Clintons didn’t deserve the treatment they received during the primaries.

 

[punkin]

Doing research on Obama, I’m finding that everything to him is about race. That’s his outlook on life: he’s going through life expecting, therefore, looking for, hardships because of his skin color.

Oh, I knew that the minute the who Rev. Wright thing came out. That's part and parcel of the whole militant black philosophy, which may have had some use in the 60s and 70s but is outdated and outmoded now.

I can understand your bitterness about the Clintons, but this is politics and Bill and Hillary are big enough to get over it. I am more bitter about the fact that now we get the wonderful choice (dripping sarcasm here) of Obama and McCain. What a waste!

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

The OS have been writing us off since February in one way or another. Believe whatever you like, but explain why Obama cannot seem to pull ahead of "grampy McSame" in the polls if it is not due to a significant portion of the electorate who are disillusioned.

You're right there usually is 10% that vote across party lines. But I don't think that statistic holds true in this race. Just look on this board. Of all the Hillary supporters, how many of them have decided to vote for Obama? I very much doubt it's 90% I would guess it's more like 60%. I think that holds true nationally as well. If it really were 90% Obama would have a much bigger lead.

Truth be told, when you look at straight McCain v. Obama polling numbers, it does appear closer than it should be. It's wavered back and forth from dead even to an 8 point lead for Obama for the last few months. However, when you look at the state by state polls, you see that Obama carries all of the typically blue states and an overwhelming majority of the swing states. We all know from 2000, if we elected our Presidents based on popular vote, which is what those national polls basically are, President Gore would probably being residing in the WH right now. He won the popular vote. That's why regardless of all of the exited hyperventilating on the right about McCain recent movement in the national polls, in reality, he still lags behind Obama. It's easy to figure out, you just need to take a look at an electoral college map of the US. That being said, I still hope you guys give your local and state Democrats a push this November.

 

[punkin]

Truth be told, when you look at straight McCain v. Obama polling numbers, it does appear closer than it should be. It's wavered back and forth from dead even to an 8 point lead for Obama for the last few months. However, when you look at the state by state polls, you see that Obama carries all of the typically blue states and an overwhelming majority of the swing states. We all know from 2000, if we elected our Presidents based on popular vote, which is what those national polls basically are, President Gore would probably being residing in the WH right now. He won the popular vote. That's why regardless of all of the exited hyperventilating on the right about McCain recent movement in the national polls, in reality, he still lags behind Obama. It's easy to figure out, you just need to take a look at an electoral college map of the US. That being said, I still hope you guys give your local and state Democrats a push this November.

Take a look at those swing states again. They are too close to call. This one is going to be very close...and my point is that this election should have been a cake walk for the Democrats, and for some reason, Obama is just not pulling it off.

As far as voting in the local elections, I will vote for the best candidates as I usually do (so far in my voting career, the vast majority have been Dems.)


There are too many toss up states right now: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

 

[MyManGoofy!]

"Say whatever you want about Bill Clinton, but it's deeply unfair to suggest his criticism of Obama was race-based,” McCain adviser Steve Schmidt told Politico, after his campaign blasted Obama for suggesting the McCain campaign would use his race against him. “We knew it was coming in our direction because they did it against a president of the United States of their own party.”

I just feel bad for the Clintons. They’re good people who’ve done a lot of work for a lot of people – regardless of skin color. That picture in the article was taken in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina? I thought some of Obama’s vocal supporters were all after Hillary that the Clintons ‘didn’t do anything for the Katrina’ victims'?? The Clintons didn’t deserve the treatment they received during the primaries.

That was just one of the big problems that I had about the primary campaign. So many complained about the negative campaign that Hillary was running but I thought (and still do) that Obama's was far worse. He denigrated a pretty popular former President OF HIS OWN PARTY and managed to convince people that those 8 years that Clinton was in office were not as good as they remembered. How was that not considered negative?

As for this thread - I went away for a while because the back and forth had gotten so nasty. It is still nasty, but I missed chatting with the people here. What does it matter what we say about Obama? You (generic OS you) have told us time and time again that we are not needed and will not matter to the final outcome. Or are you starting to feel like maybe we will matter?

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Well it certainly doesn't make you democrats! I didn't say you were Republicans, I said you had officially joined the other side and were Obama bashers. You all have the same goal, NOT to elect Obama. My point of view about YOUR point of view has no where to go but 'black and white.' Ya know? Hey, carry on, you are in no way impacting me or my beliefs. I came to this thread to discuss the Clintons and found a thread that was about bashing Obama. Simple as that and very true. Shouldn't bother you that I pointed it out. For those few of you here who are not bashers-the exceptions-I hope you know to consider yourselves out of this discussion. I'm getting into this muck of negative posts so I've got to move forward. Like I said, carry on. I may be back from time to time in hopes you have put some positive bent to this thread. Your gal Hillary hasn't had any trouble going positive. Bill was even guarded but trying the other day. They are great folks!

See that line I have bolded is what gets me. Since when did the Dems adopt a lock step "you are with us or you are against us" philosophy? Sounds more like something that would come out of a republicans mouth - not a fellow Dem.

 

[Planogirl]

See that line I have bolded is what gets me. Since when did the Dems adopt a lock step "you are with us or you are against us" philosophy? Sounds more like something that would come out of a republicans mouth - not a fellow Dem.

Exactly. Besides not all HS were Democrats.

I'm puzzling over why anyone would want to stir up trouble at this point in time on this thread. To what purpose?

 

[DISUNC]

Since when did the Dems adopt a lock step "you are with us or you are against us" philosophy? Sounds more like something that would come out of a republicans mouth - not a fellow Dem.

What I said loooooooooooong ago. Obama reached his plateau back in February. Who ever supported him then are still or not supporting him now. He reached his peak, with only one way to go....down. He will get NO new voters.
If nobody wanted the New kid on the block by then, they wont want him now.


Highlights from Obama stalls in public polling

"In the two months since Barack Obama captured the Democratic nomination, he has hit a ceiling in public opinion polling, proving unable to make significant gains with any segment of the national electorate......."

".....From stunning Democratic gains in party registration to the high levels of economic anxiety, Obama should have a healthy lead by almost every measure. Yet, in poll after poll, Obama conspicuously fails to cross the 50-percent threshold.

ABC News Polling Director Gary Langer asked, “If everything is so good for Barack Obama, why isn’t everything so good for Barack Obama?” ''

"....As it stands, on Aug. 3 the Real Clear Politics average of national polling had 46.6 percent of the public supporting Obama, putting him narrowly ahead of McCain. Exactly two months before, on June 3, that same average had Obama at the exact same level of support — 46.6 percent."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12334.html

 

[jacksonsmom]

Been gone for a few days, just caught up reading all the new post.

I think you guys have said it all.

I can't wait until this election is over. For an election that I was so looking forward to in the very beginning has turned into a circus with two clowns headlining the show.
Yes, I will vote for one of those clowns (McCain) but I am not happy about it. I just personally feel the other clown will be worse for our country.