Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

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[QUOTE="Got Disney";25336462]Not easy is it DISUNC...taking care of our parents. [/QUOTE]

Not at all!

 

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Consider the source. I don't believe most of that and Obama still scares me.

I'm not too familiar with the source!

 

[robinb]

I agree DISUNC! to all the caregivers who give themselves for their loved ones.

{{hugs}} to all of you. My DH's parents are in their 80's and mine are in their late 60's/early 70's. Our time to care for them will come too soon . It kinda makes me feel selfish now having an only child.

 

[DISUNC]

{{hugs}} to all of you. My DH's parents are in their 80's and mine are in their late 60's/early 70's. Our time to care for them will come too soon . It kinda makes me feel selfish now having an only child.

Dont be!

I have 2 sisters. One lives in NYC and is on SSDI, she was in a car accident then while in the last stages of recovery was hit by a bus. She has had many many operations since then. So she has her own problems.

My other sister, well lets just say...she will rather fight with everyone then help!

 

[kinntj]

{{hugs}} to all of you. My DH's parents are in their 80's and mine are in their late 60's/early 70's. Our time to care for them will come too soon . It kinda makes me feel selfish now having an only child.

It doesn't matter how many children you have. My youngest sister is 11 years younger than me, having her 1st baby in October with a fiance that can't hold a job. She definately can't help my mom. My older sister is schizophrenic, so she can't help my mom. I sometimes feel like an only child. Having more children doesn't guarantee anything.

My dad is 65 and married someone who is 35, so he says she'll take care of me in my old age. I told him not to count on it.

 

[kinntj]

I had to google 'exacerbation'. Those episodes sound very scary. Do they happen often?

She gets them every day, but at different stages. Yesterday was just really bad for some reason. Other days there's slight spells where she has to catch her breath and then she's fine. She does have Albuterol inhaler to help her when it gets bad. She needs to go to the Dr. some time in June, but her thinking is to go when she's feeling better.

Some day she will be on a respirator to help her breathing, but for now she's on 24/7 oxygen set at level 4 (one of the highest settings allowed). Her Dr. explained that her heart is enlarged too for her body compensating without help all these years. I also have to watch what I feed her. No to little salt and heart healthy foods. Did I tell you that she's 77 lbs.?

This is what smoking does to the body. She's been like this for awhile and she's 64 years old. She looks 90. My mom is to blame for her body being like it is.

Jacksonsmom-Her dad had no choice in what happened to his body. He's so young and to have to endure this must be so tough for him as well has his family. My prayers go out to your family. Seeing a loved one suffer so much bring you to your knees.

 

["Got Disney"]

I just wanted to post some good wishes for those who are going through such rough times right now with the health of their loved ones. I know how hard it can be as well. My father died of bone cancer when I was twelve, my mother of kidney failure when I was thirteen and I lost my only brother six years ago also to kidney problems. It is so hard to watch those you love so much suffer. It is a very helpless feeling. I know I differ with you guys on politics, but my heart sincerely goes out to all that are dealing with health problems of loved ones. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

I am no longer reading OS posts but as scrolling by it I saw the first sentence and decided to read because it was not related to politics.
That is terrible....what a thing to have to go through as a child. Than to loose a brother to the same thing as your mother. I can only imagine how helpless that must have felt and still does.

My cousin went through something similar but it all got to him and he turned to heroin to cope....we have all tryed to help him and he has cleaned up a few times but has always ended back on it and back on the streets. He felt as if he was left all alone. Seems that many of us are and have faced the same difficulties in life with family. Makes so many things seem insignificant doesn't it.

 

["Got Disney"]

It doesn't matter how many children you have. My youngest sister is 11 years younger than me, having her 1st baby in October with a fiance that can't hold a job. She definitely can't help my mom. My older sister is schizophrenic, so she can't help my mom. I sometimes feel like an only child. Having more children doesn't guarantee anything.

My dad is 65 and married someone who is 35, so he says she'll take care of me in my old age. I told him not to count on it.

Wow 35...you dont seem to think she will stay around for him when he gets older? Hope she does because it will be easier on you if she care for him.

She gets them every day, but at different stages. Yesterday was just really bad for some reason. Other days there's slight spells where she has to catch her breath and then she's fine. She does have Albuterol inhaler to help her when it gets bad. She needs to go to the Dr. some time in June, but her thinking is to go when she's feeling better.

Some day she will be on a respirator to help her breathing, but for now she's on 24/7 oxygen set at level 4 (one of the highest settings allowed). Her Dr. explained that her heart is enlarged too for her body compensating without help all these years. I also have to watch what I feed her. No to little salt and heart healthy foods. Did I tell you that she's 77 lbs.?

This is what smoking does to the body. She's been like this for awhile and she's 64 years old. She looks 90. My mom is to blame for her body being like it is.

My dad sis not take care of him self either. Diabetic, emphysema, Congestive heart failure and do on and so on....he got addicted to pain killers due to hip pain from his Diabetes that he would not take care of. That is how he became bedridden. Did not eat just took pills. He was living on his own in Florida.

We would call and he said all was fine and he even sounded okay. Till one day he did not answer. We found him very ill. He was a very stubborn German...UGGG made it hard to care for him he would not cooperate. But we did a great job, got him off pills , diabetes under control , walking and caring for himself....was doing great than one day decided he wanted to stay in bed again....he eventually died of Kidney failure during an episode of Congestive heart failure and pneumonia.

My MOM from drinking so much had strokes and cerebral atrophy of the brain( her brain shrunk) from drinking. She was a good woman. She also had a eating disorder where she would just swallow her food without chewing. She was living with us and she was doing well. I have epilepsy and started having like 6 seizures a week and so needed to place her temporarily into a facility(that was highly recommended to me) until i got my seizures under control.

Well she was there for about 2 months and the day we were bringing her back home they fed her breakfast and did not watch her and she chocked to death. Yes we won a law suit against them. I still have guilt feelings about placing her even though I know I had no choice. I have that feeling of only if I picked her up the day before.


But that was than and this is now and we now have my troubled niece that lives with us. She has been with us for almost 2 years...she has come a long way being away from her surroundings and my sister. Funny I have had my Dad, mother, sister, brother, other sister, step dad, nephew, niece all live with me at one point in my life....guess they know our doors are always open to them and there kids. O and also there pets

 

[kinntj]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";25345508]Wow 35...you dont seem to think she will stay around for him when he gets older? Hope she does because it will be easier on you if she care for him.

he eventually died of Kidney failure during an episode of Congestive heart failure and pneumonia.


Well she was there for about 2 months and the day we were bringing her back home they fed her breakfast and did not watch her and she chocked to death. Yes we won a law suit against them. I still have guilt feelings about placing her even though I know I had no choice. I have that feeling of only if I picked her up the day before.

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I don't think she will take care of him because they base of their relationship was him buying her things. He's not rich by any stretch, but most of his money went to her. Maybe she'll surprise us and take care of him, but I'm not placing any bets in her favor.

It didn't seem like your dad was big into taking care of himself. Sounds like my mom. I think my going to the dr's once a year has to do with her not wanting to go to the dr's.

I'm so sorry you lost your mom that way. What negligence leaving her eating like that when they knew her history. I'm so glad you won that case. Those places make me sick. Did you see the thread on the knee replacement lady who had fallen? Just makes my blood boil. Simple things like that can be avoided. I know there will be accidents, but in those nursing homes they seem to be happening more frequently. I told my mom that the only way I'll put her in a nursing home or provide in home care is if her needs become way more than what I can care for.

You have definately been through a lot. What a saint to take in your troubled niece. I think that's wonderful! My niece is missing. My dad called in a missing people's report to the police and we just think she doesn't want to be found.

 

[punkin]

My niece is missing. My dad called in a missing people's report to the police and we just think she doesn't want to be found.

 

["Got Disney"]

I don't think she will take care of him because they base of their relationship was him buying her things. He's not rich by any stretch, but most of his money went to her. Maybe she'll surprise us and take care of him, but I'm not placing any bets in her favor.

It didn't seem like your dad was big into taking care of himself. Sounds like my mom. I think my going to the dr's once a year has to do with her not wanting to go to the dr's.

I'm so sorry you lost your mom that way. What negligence leaving her eating like that when they knew her history. I'm so glad you won that case. Those places make me sick. Did you see the thread on the knee replacement lady who had fallen? Just makes my blood boil. Simple things like that can be avoided. I know there will be accidents, but in those nursing homes they seem to be happening more frequently. I told my mom that the only way I'll put her in a nursing home or provide in home care is if her needs become way more than what I can care for.

You have definately been through a lot. What a saint to take in your troubled niece. I think that's wonderful! My niece is missing. My dad called in a missing people's report to the police and we just think she doesn't want to be found.

How old is your neice? Does she have troubles also like my niece?

mine just turned 17....she was into drugs, sex(with older men and young delinquents , stealing cars, has had 7 STD's and has Herpes, Drinking, staying out all night, failed the 9th grade 2 times. And so on but you get the picture and she had my sisters house Robbed by her friends...just a mess..and you ask..where was her mother

she has caught up all her classes and worked hard to graduate as a Senior next year as if she never failed the 9th grade. She is looking forward to becoming a Nurse like me. She calls me up 3 times to check in when out and never misses her curfew. She has not missed one fay of school since been with us. She still has some issues but what teen doesn't. She has come along way. She may go back home for her senior year...if she does we are worried she will mess up and all her hard work will be waisted. She will be back around her crappy friends, 2 of which are her age and have children already that may be taken away from them. Than there is her mother...UGGGGG....that is another story.

My niece is also worried that if she goes back that all will fall apart. I told her not to make any decisions till she talks to her shrink..who is a great shrink by the way. She agreed. But as we all know ..there's no place like home and she missed her sister and mother. She does now that she is welcome back here if all starts to fall apart but she is the only one that can stop that from happening. She is only 17 and her brain is still rewiring so common sense is not attached to her brain yet.

 

[kinntj]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";25346256]How old is your neice? Does she have troubles also like my niece?

mine just turned 17....she was into drugs, sex(with older men and young delinquents , stealing cars, has had 7 STD's and has Herpes, Drinking, staying out all night, failed the 9th grade 2 times. And so on but you get the picture and she had my sisters house Robbed by her friends...just a mess..and you ask..where was her mother
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My niece is 22 now, but she's been out of the house since 15. She went to live with her boyfriend and his family. My sister just couldn't take care of her with her own troubles of being diagnosed with schizophrenia and later she had leukemia (which is in remission-YAY). My niece did graduate high school, but she doesn't want to go to college. I was very shocked as she's such a smart kid. I hated to see all those smarts go to waste and not giving herself more choices in the world.

Your niece sounds like she had a troubled past, but she's starting to come around. I like those stories. I always thought if you nudged a kid in the right direction and you have a lot of patience they'll slowly start responding.

 

["Got Disney"]

My niece is 22 now, but she's been out of the house since 15. She went to live with her boyfriend and his family. My sister just couldn't take care of her with her own troubles of being diagnosed with schizophrenia and later she had leukemia (which is in remission-YAY). My niece did graduate high school, but she doesn't want to go to college. I was very shocked as she's such a smart kid. I hated to see all those smarts go to waste and not giving herself more choices in the world.

Your niece sounds like she had a troubled past, but she's starting to come around. I like those stories. I always thought if you nudged a kid in the right direction and you have a lot of patience they'll slowly start responding.

Not easy having a family member never mind your mom that is schizophrenic...that is tough. Is she staying on her meds and do they help her at all? Hopefully in time your niece will come around and go to Collage. She needs her family and in time maybe she will realise that. Hope she gets in touch so you at least know she is okay. Its always the not knowing that is hard.

 

[Planogirl]

My niece is 22 now, but she's been out of the house since 15. She went to live with her boyfriend and his family. My sister just couldn't take care of her with her own troubles of being diagnosed with schizophrenia and later she had leukemia (which is in remission-YAY). My niece did graduate high school, but she doesn't want to go to college. I was very shocked as she's such a smart kid. I hated to see all those smarts go to waste and not giving herself more choices in the world.

Your niece sounds like she had a troubled past, but she's starting to come around. I like those stories. I always thought if you nudged a kid in the right direction and you have a lot of patience they'll slowly start responding.

Your niece might still come around. I didn't go to college right away but worked for a while first. That all important independence had to come first in my world.

 

["Got Disney"]

Hi everyone...hope you and your family's are doing well today.....

So it has been quiet around here.....guess the OS got it all out of there system. They had plenty to say. Have not read any of there posts so have no idea what they were saying but dont have to read to know that it is no good.

I refuse to argue anymore with them. It is a waist of energy for all of us on both sides to go back and forth. Anyway...will check back later. Just wanted to say Howdy!

 

[lilyv]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";25364281]Hi everyone...hope you and your family's are doing well today.....

So it has been quiet around here.....guess the OS got it all out of there system. They had plenty to say. Have not read any of there posts so have no idea what they were saying but dont have to read to know that it is no good.

I refuse to argue anymore with them. It is a waist of energy for all of us on both sides to go back and forth. Anyway...will check back later. Just wanted to say Howdy! [/QUOTE]

Howdy Robin, just stopping by to say a friendly hi!
It's actually sunny today, breezy 65 degrees, but hey, at least it's not cold and raining-or worse-snowing. There was a snow advisory in the mountains last weekend. Yikes!! Bring on summer!!!

 

["Got Disney"]

Howdy Robin, just stopping by to say a friendly hi!
It's actually sunny today, breezy 65 degrees, but hey, at least it's not cold and raining-or worse-snowing. There was a snow advisory in the mountains last weekend. Yikes!! Bring on summer!!!

Hi Lily...nice here also....in the high 70's. Always nice for someone to just stop by in here and say HI

 

[Planogirl]

Howdy Robin, just stopping by to say a friendly hi!
It's actually sunny today, breezy 65 degrees, but hey, at least it's not cold and raining-or worse-snowing. There was a snow advisory in the mountains last weekend. Yikes!! Bring on summer!!!

Hey Lily! Haven't seen you around lately.

Mountains! I would give a lot to live close to mountains.

 

[Dolce27]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107539/Hillary-Clintons-SwingState-Advantage.aspx
(You'll have to click on the link if you want to see pictures of the graphs)

Hillary Clinton’s Swing-State AdvantageClinton says her primary wins are indicative of general-election resultsUSA Democrats Election 2008 Republicans Americas Northern America by Lydia Saad
PRINCETON, NJ -- In the 20 states where Hillary Clinton has claimed victory in the 2008 Democratic primary and caucus elections (winning the popular vote), she has led John McCain in Gallup Poll Daily trial heats for the general election over the past two weeks of Gallup Poll Daily tracking by 50% to 43%. In those same states, Barack Obama is about tied with McCain among national registered voters, 45% to 46%.


In contrast, in the 28 states and the District of Columbia where Obama has won a higher share of the popular vote against Clinton in the 2008 Democratic primaries and caucuses, there is essentially no difference in how Obama and Clinton each fare against McCain. Both Democrats are statistically tied with him for the fall election.


All of this speaks to Sen. Clinton's claim that her primary-state victories over Obama indicate her potential superiority in the general election.

The results are based on aggregated data from Gallup Poll Daily tracking from May 12-25, including interviews with more than 11,000 registered voters nationwide (including Alaska and Hawaii). Across this period, Gallup has found Clinton performing marginally better than Obama in separate trial heats for the general election against McCain. Clinton has led McCain by an average of three percentage points, 48% vs. 45%. Obama has trailed McCain by an average of one point, 45% vs. 46%.

Clinton's popular-vote victories thus far include the three biggest Electoral College prizes: California (a solid Democratic state), New York (another sure bet for the Democrats), and Texas (a solid Republican state). (Although Obama won more delegates in Texas, Clinton's vote total exceeded Obama's by nearly 100,000 votes.) However, her victories also include several of the largest swing states that both parties will be battling to win in November: Pennsylvania and Ohio, as well as wins in the disputed Florida and Michigan primaries. As a result, Clinton's 20 states represent more than 300 Electoral College votes while Obama's 28 states and the District of Columbia represent only 224 Electoral College votes.

(Note that the findings with Michigan and Florida data removed are virtually identical to those shown above. Clinton performs five percentage points better than Obama versus McCain in the states she has won (51% vs. 46%), excluding Michigan and Florida; Obama has virtually no advantage over Clinton versus McCain in the states he has won.)

The question is, do Clinton's popular victories over Obama in states that encompass three-fifths of national voters mean Clinton has a better chance than Obama of winning electoral votes this fall? That's the argument she and her campaign have been making, including at a campaign stop in Kentucky 10 days ago (prior to the Kentucky and Oregon primaries), where she was quoted as saying:

"The states I've won total 300 electoral votes. If we had the same rules as the Republicans, I would be the nominee right now. We have different rules, so what we've got to figure out is who can win 270 electoral votes. My opponent has won states totaling 217 electoral votes."

As the Gallup analysis shows, Clinton is currently running ahead of McCain in the 20 states where she has prevailed in the popular vote, while Obama is tied with McCain in those same states. Thus, at this stage in the race (before the general-election campaigns have fully engaged), there is some support for her argument that her primary states indicate she would be stronger than Obama in the general election.

The same cannot be said for Obama in the 28 states and D.C. where he prevailed in the popular vote. As of now, in those states, he is performing no better than Clinton is in general-election trial heats versus McCain. Thus, the principle of greater primary strength translating into greater general-election strength -- while apparently operative for the states Clinton has won -- does not seem to apply at the moment to states Obama has won.

Red States, Blue States, Swing States

The picture described above is somewhat muddied by the fact that the sets of states Clinton and Obama have each won include reliably "red" (solid Republican) and "blue" (solid Democratic) states. A relative advantage for either Democratic contender in the primaries in such states won't matter come the fall, under the assumption that the general-election outcome in these states is almost a foregone conclusion.

Removing red and blue states from the analysis leaves just the swing or "purple" states that could be competitive for both parties. Gallup defines these as states that favored neither George W. Bush nor John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election by more than five percentage points. Additionally, Arkansas -- one of Clinton's home states -- is considered a potential swing state should she become the nominee. And Missouri is considered swing because although Bush beat Kerry in that state by seven points in 2004, Missouri has switched sides in the three most recent national elections, voting Democratic in 1996, and Republican in 2000 and 2004. (Other states have also switched sides in the last three elections, but the 2004 vote margins in these were well beyond 10 points for either Bush or Kerry.)

Clinton's 2008 swing-state victories include Nevada, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Arkansas, and -- based solely on popular vote (not delegates) -- Florida and Michigan (her swing states total 105 electoral votes). Thus far in May, Gallup has found Clinton leading McCain in these states by six percentage points, 49% to 43%. McCain holds the slight edge over Obama in these states, 46% to 43%. Thus, as of today, Clinton is clearly the stronger Democratic candidate in this cluster of states where she beat Obama in the popular vote.



With Florida and Michigan removed from the group of purple states where Clinton has won the popular vote, her relative advantage over Obama expands slightly. (This leaves Arkansas, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Hampshire, and New Mexico, totaling 61 electoral votes.) Clinton beats McCain in this group of states by 10 percentage points, 51% to 41%, whereas McCain leads Obama by three points, 46% to 43%.



Obama's swing-state victories include Colorado, Oregon, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Missouri (totaling 54 electoral votes). Obama leads McCain in these states by eight percentage points, while Clinton falls one point behind McCain -- a pattern similar to that in Clinton's swing states.



The only other difference seen in the two candidates' general-election performances is in the seven safe (and mostly Southern) Republican states won by Clinton in the primaries. Clinton loses to McCain by four points in these states, while Obama loses to McCain by 14 points. The two candidates fare equally well in the red states Obama won, as well as in the blue states each candidate won. Of course, as noted, relative advantages in the blue states are less important to the presidential election, assuming the outcome is assured regardless of which Democratic candidate is nominated.

Bottom Line

According to Gallup's May 12-25 tracking polling, Clinton is running stronger against McCain than is Obama in the 20 states where Clinton can claim popular-vote victory in the Democratic primaries and caucuses. By contrast, Obama runs no better against McCain than does Clinton in the 28 states plus the District of Columbia where he has prevailed. On this basis, Clinton appears to have the stronger chance of capitalizing on her primary strengths in the general election.

However, just focusing on the swing states in Clinton's and Obama's respective win columns, the two are fairly similar. Clinton beats McCain in her purple states (including Florida and Michigan) by 49% to 43%, while Obama slightly trails McCain (43% to 46%) in these states -- a nine-point swing in the gap in Clinton's favor. Conversely, Obama beats McCain in his purple states (49% to 41%), while Clinton trails McCain by one point, 45% to 46%, in the same states -- also a nine-point swing in the gap in Obama's favor.

Clinton's main advantage is that her states -- including Florida and Michigan -- represent nearly twice as many Electoral College votes as Obama's. However, removing Florida and Michigan from the equation, her purple states are about comparable to Obama's in electoral vote size, and thus the two appear more evenly situated.

What gives Clinton an additional boost in national support -- but is not likely to increase her chances of winning Electoral College votes in November -- is her superior performance over Obama in the red states where she has captured the popular vote in the primaries. These include such typically safe Republican states as Oklahoma, Texas, Indiana, and Arizona.

 

[Planogirl]

That's one long article that I'll have to check out later.