Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[Dolce27]

That's one long article that I'll have to check out later.

Well... you could just shortcut it by clicking on the link and looking at the pretty charts instead of reading all of the words.

I promise, I won't tell.

 

[punkin]

It's a good argument. I really wonder why the rest of the SDs are not declaring at this point. Is it because they are open to Hillary's argument or . I can't see a big rush to Hillary at the convention even though it would be a smart thing for the SDs to do.

 

[KikiFan]

That article makes a great arguement. I just don't see how Obama can win.

 

[punkin]

That article makes a great arguement. I just don't see how Obama can win.

He can't in the General, but then isn't that why the Democratic party has SDs in the first place?

 

[punkin]

and to back my own argument up... http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/let_the_race_play_out.html

"Hillary's sole chance of becoming the Democratic candidate for president is in the hands of the super-delegates. If no candidate wins the required majority of delegates in the primary and caucus elections, the super-delegates should cast their votes for the candidate they deem to be the stronger of the two and the person they believe is most likely to win in the general election.

Clearly, a majority of them have either not made up their minds or prefer to wait and decide that issue closer to or at the Democratic convention. Why else have they not publicly announced their preference? If Obama were the clear choice, as his supporters believe he is, why haven't they convinced enough super-delegates to announce their support of him and end the ongoing series of primaries? Why shouldn't the last states to vote have a chance to affect the result? The reason is obvious. Many super-delegates are not convinced he can win in November, and they are correct to have that concern based on the outcome in key states a Democrat needs to win."

 

["Got Disney"]

Some could be also waiting for everyone to have a chance to vote. Of course their are many that want and wanted Hillary but when they see the math does not add up...and we are talking delegates....for Hillary they jumped ship from Hillary IMO not because they want Obama but because of the DEM Party.

More and more it is showing that Hillary is the clear winner for the general...but there is no way that they will take it away from Obama...they cant if he gets the magic number. And sure that he will have the rest of the delegates before convention.

when I say they cant it is not that the SD cant it is that they will have riots and protests every where. The OS could care less about the party...they say they do but they dont. If they did than they would not have been telling her to get our since way back when. They dont even care about the Democracy of voters. They dont care if everyone gets a chance to vote. All they want is Obama.

I must say also that if the tables were turned and it was Hillary with more delegates and the SD took it away and gave it to Obama....I would also be pissed...would I riot...no.

so this is just my take on things. Does not make it right does not make it wrong...it is what it is.

 

[DISUNC]

That article makes a great arguement. I just don't see how Obama can win.

No way in hades that he can.

Clinton Letter to SuperdelegatesHillary Clinton

(Note: the following is the text of a letter sent by Hillary Clinton yesterday to all Democratic super delegates.)


Dear ___________,

The stakes in this election are so high: with two wars abroad, our economy in crisis here at home, and so many families struggling across America, the need for new leadership has never been greater.

At this point, we do not yet have a nominee - and when the last votes are cast on June 3, neither Senator Obama nor I will have secured the nomination. It will be up to automatic delegates like you to help choose our party's nominee, and I would like to tell you why I believe I am the stronger candidate against Senator McCain and would be the best President and Commander in Chief. .......

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/clinton_letter_to_superdelegat.html

 

[DISUNC]

and to back my own argument up... http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/let_the_race_play_out.html

"Hillary's sole chance of becoming the Democratic candidate for president is in the hands of the super-delegates.

...And so is Obamas!!!!!

 

["Got Disney"]

...And so is Obamas!!!!!

And you cant make that stuff up!

 

[Dolce27]

...And so is Obamas!!!!!

You're preaching to the chior over here DISUNIC. It's others that don't seem to understand that.

 

[Planogirl]

Well... you could just shortcut it by clicking on the link and looking at the pretty charts instead of reading all of the words.

I promise, I won't tell.

I resisted the urge.

That is interesting and most of it isn't really surprising. I've always felt that she was very strong in spite of everything. I do wish that the SD's would just go ahead and get it done one way or the other.

I think that the next question will be whether Clinton's support will go over to Obama should he win the nomination.

 

[KikiFan]

I do wish that the SD's would just go ahead and get it done one way or the other.

Well the thing is that even if they come out now and say they're for Hillary or Obama ...... they aren't obligated. In fact, they can change their minds a dozen times. Nothing is set in stone until the National convention.

And I think that after the first vote they can still change who they want to support. (And I think that applies to the assigned delegates as well) So unless Hillary drops out, then it's still a toss up right until the convention. (Man I'm really wishing I could have gone all the way to the national convention)

 

[DISUNC]

You're preaching to the chior over here DISUNIC. It's others that don't seem to understand that.

Dont call me Dis UNIC!



They will understand in November when their 'world' collapses!

 

[DISUNC]

Anyone following the latest Obama Lie. Its beiing called UNCLE GATE on the blogs.

On Memorial Day he said..."I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps," Obama said, slowly and methodically. "And the story in my family is that when he came home, he just went into the attic, and he didn't leave the house for six months. Alright? Now, obviously something had affected him deeply, but at the time, there just weren't the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain."


Turns out that the Russians liberated Aushwitz, and Obama dont have a Uncle. Even if it was a Great Uncle, Charlie Paine as Obama claims, he was in the Navy!

This is copied from another blog.

Says "Navy".. is it true? It'll take a while to know for certain since a lot of personnel records were destroyed in that fire many years back. But at the moment that's the only Charles W. Payne anyone can locate out of Kansas so it would seem likely this is his great uncle.

But the entire 89th wasn't involved in the liberation. Ohrdruf was liberated by the 4th Armored Division and only ONE REGIMENT of the 89th.

One other thing just to tie into the story (because it's interesting and relates). In 2002 during his anti war speech, Senator Obama said:

"My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka"

As we know, Auschwitz was liberated by the Red Army so it's very unlikely that Obama's grandfather was getting stories from the Russians who first entered Auschwitz. Additionally, The grandfather, Dunham, Stanley A., was enlisted on 18June42 (months after Pearl Harbor).
But of course the Media isnt reporting on this.
Obama tells some doozeys!

http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_Obama/ObamaLies.htm

 

[Dolce27]

Dont call me Dis UNIC!



They will understand in November when their 'world' collapses!

Oops! Sorry.. typo!

But for the second part, sadly I know that will be true. They honestly want to believe that we are full of it and that Obama will be the next President. The more that I learn about this man the more I know that I can't vote for a person like him. Hillary has been too nice to him in this election; had she been airing out all of his dirty laundry, I don't think he'd still be in the race right now. As soon as the GOP gets a hold of him Obama's got some nasty skeletons in his closet that are going to be drug out and it ain't going to be pretty.

 

[punkin]

Dont call me Dis UNIC!

Spelling, spelling. (it's eunuch) and no offense meant.

 

[jacksonsmom]

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Obama's swing-state victories include Colorado, Oregon, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Missouri (totaling 54 electoral votes). Obama leads McCain in these states by eight percentage points, while Clinton falls one point behind McCain -- a pattern similar to that in Clinton's swing states.

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Great article, but I have a little issue with this statement. Minnesota is NOT a swing state. We have not gone to the Rep in the general election since 1972! I don't call that a swing state. Even California went Rep with Reagan in 1984, Minnesota went for Mondale.

We just had an article in our local paper showing both Clinton and Obama are beating McCain in the polls in this state.

Come November, Minnesota will go in the Democrat column no matter who is the candidate.

(the only thing that might change it is if McCain picks our gov. as his VP. Our Gov. Pawlenty has been said to be on his short list of running mates)

I just had to laugh when they said Minnesota is a swing state. It's solidly Democratic

 

[jacksonsmom]

Oops! Sorry.. typo!

But for the second part, sadly I know that will be true. They honestly want to believe that we are full of it and that Obama will be the next President. The more that I learn about this man the more I know that I can't vote for a person like him. Hillary has been too nice to him in this election; had she been airing out all of his dirty laundry, I don't think he'd still be in the race right now. As soon as the GOP gets a hold of him Obama's got some nasty skeletons in his closet that are going to be drug out and it ain't going to be pretty.

That is what I have been saying for months. No way can Obama win in the general, way too many skeletons in his closet that the GOP will make sure are out in the open. I am already prepared for Obama crying "foul", but when you are running for President your past and who you hang with is fair game....including your spouse! (I will say the only thing that isn't fair game is children)

If Obama is the Dem candidate, I will predict McCain will win by a landslide. Anyone remember Reagan vs. Mondale??? The whole US went for RED except for one state (Minnesota)
Maybe it won't be such a landslide, but a landslide neverless

 

[DISUNC]

That is what I have been saying for months. No way can Obama win in the general, way too many skeletons in his closet that the GOP will make sure are out in the open. I am already prepared for Obama crying "foul", but when you are running for President your past and who you hang with is fair game....including your spouse! (I will say the only thing that isn't fair game is children)

If Obama is the Dem candidate, I will predict McCain will win by a landslide. Anyone remember Reagan vs. Mondale??? The whole US went for RED except for one state (Minnesota)
Maybe it won't be such a landslide, but a landslide neverless

As I was driving home this am, I had CNN on the radio....I was daydreaming...and I heard some guy talking about a MICHELLE OBAMA BOMBSHELL that will come out before the Rules Commitee meets.
Anybody here anything?

When I snapped out of my daydream....I was thinking THATS SATURDAY! Why didnt the interviewer ask him what is it!

 

[DISUNC]

Obama's Woes: A Tale of Three States

If you want evidence that the Democrats are taking a huge gamble by nominating Barack Obama as their Presidential candidate, you need look no further than the current state of the race in three Southern/border states.

In 1992 and 1996 Bill Clinton won Kentucky, West Virginia and Arkansas. In 2000 and 2004, George Bush won all three states. In the current Democratic Party nominating contest, Hillary Clinton won all three states by huge margins -- 30 points or more in each case. West Virginia (3%), and Kentucky (7%) have relatively small black populations. Arkansas is just over 15% African American (in the same range as Florida and Tennessee).

The three states have 19 Electoral College votes among them, almost as many as Ohio (20). In 2004, Bush won the Electoral College by 286-252. Had he lost Ohio, Kerry would have been elected. In 2008, Ohio will undoubtedly be a battleground again.

Were the Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, the Democrats would be in very good shape even without Ohio. That is because current surveys show Hillary Clinton winning all three states by solid margins over John McCain. But John McCain trounces Barack Obama in the same three states by over 20% in each case. So with Clinton as the nominee, these states vote as they did when her husband was the nominee. When Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee, these states vote as they did when George Bush was running. The differences in the poll results are shocking. Clinton wins Arkansas and Kentucky by 14% and 9% respectively. McCain wins against Obama in the two states by 25% and 24% respectively. This means the shift from Obama to Clinton is a change of over 34% margin in one state, 38% in the other.

Roughly 40% of the voters who are for Clinton will not support Obama in these two states.

At this point, Obama appears to be the all but certain nominee. This is despite Clinton winning the same number or perhaps slightly more total popular votes, and winning virtually all the contested primaries since February when the Reverend Wright story surfaced

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/obamas_woes_a_tale_of_three_st.html