Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[wvrevy]

I will take your suggestion under advisement because IMO Mickey Mouse would make a better president than Obama.

See, I just don't get you, punkin. What has Obama done that makes you think that he wouldn't be a good president? Obviously, he's pretty good at getting people to do what he wants them to, since he started this race so far behind, it was almost a race for second. If he was weak, he'd have fallen under the assault that Hillary had launched long ago (and please don't take that as a shot at her...I just mean that he has shown his strength in standing up under the pressure).

I'm honestly not trying to convert you right now. I'm trying to take PG's advice and give you guys some space to come to your own decision. But you seem to have such vitriol towards Obama, and I guess I just don't understand why. Is he "inexperienced"? A bit, but we've had presidents that have had plenty of success with less experience than he has. Is it the association with Wright? Find me a politician that doesn't have an association or two that it would be better for everyone if they didn't. That, to me, just doesn't seem enough to generate the hatred that you seem to have for him. I'm just trying to understand it.

Besides...do you honestly think that John McCain would be a better president for liberal ideals than Obama would? If you honestly care about things like personal privacy, a woman's right to choose, humane treatment of prisoners, civil rights for all Americans, and the welfare of our military forces, I just don't see how you can possibly "sit this one out".

 

[DISUNC]

What has Obama done that makes you think that he wouldn't be a good president?

OOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOH Let me take this!

I think the question here is What makes you think that he WOULD be a good Presdient?

 

[punkin]

See, I just don't get you, punkin. What has Obama done that makes you think that he wouldn't be a good president?

Let's see, there are 30 pages in this thread and 250 in the previous one where I and other posters explained why we do not think Obama would make a good president. You have been coming over to this thread since its inception and you still don't "get me." What else can I say that has not been said a thousand times before?

 

[DISUNC]

Dont take down your "Hillary 08" placards...just yet!!!!!!!


Here are some highlights...

Ohio, Florida hold keys to election victory

The long fixation on race, gender, age and class in the Democratic primaries will soon spread to the general election as the Democratic nominee seeks the keys to the Republican kingdom: Ohio and Florida.

Both states were hotly contested battlegrounds in 2000 and 2004 that gave George W. Bush two terms in the White House. Without them, Republicans lose the presidency.

If Sen. John McCain holds both states for Republicans in November, Democrats must put together 47 offsetting votes in the state-based, winner-take-all Electoral College.

Ohio and Florida are the foundation of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's last-ditch attempt to convince fellow Democrats that her strengths with Latinos, women, seniors and the white working class play best against McCain in roughly 10 swing states.

Sen. Barack Obama's victories in nearly every primary since February have rested on African Americans, upscale whites and young people. He has consistently performed poorly among key populations in Florida - Latinos, seniors and Jewish voters - and in Ohio among older women, Catholics and the white working class, what some call the "blue-collar, blue-hair vote."

Sixteen members of Congress from Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Ohio, Missouri, Florida, Nevada and other swing states wrote in a letter posted on Clinton's Web site Friday that her Pennsylvania victory last month was a "wake-up call."

Some conservative House Democrats privately worry that having Obama at the top of their ticket could damage their own re-election chances.

Obama supporters dismiss Clinton's strength among parts of the Democratic base as a specious extrapolation of primary results. Primaries have nothing to do with a matchup against McCain, they contend.

In Florida, Clinton is indisputably stronger against McCain, whose campaign would alter its Florida strategy were she the nominee.

Experts predict Obama would lose Florida.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/10/MNK710JSB5.DTL&tsp=1

 

[MermaidsMom]

Let's see, there are 30 pages in this thread and 250 in the previous one where I and other posters explained why we do not think Obama would make a good president. You have been coming over to this thread since its inception and you still don't "get me." What else can I say that has not been said a thousand times before?

Seriously! Sometimes I wonder if people even bother to read the entire post before they start their reply. Or read it at all!

 

[JARNJ3]

That's an interesting idea, but I think she'd do more good as Senate Majority Leader. Let her put some of the "fight" she's famous for to work for the party - and her - agenda. But she needs to be careful about how she's running this race because if she angers too many of the party elite, she'll lose any support for the position.

Be careful how you say this. When I read this - I hear "Let's give the little lady another job, because she can't handle the "big one" only our man can." Why do I hear this? The history of this country with the glass ceiling and the "good ol' boy networking."

I'm not saying this is how Obama got his nomination - but I come from a different perspective than you. The past THREE companies I've worked at - the highest rank of a female executive was in HR only. It sounds a little condescending to me when I hear - let's give Hillary the Senate Majority Leader - when A. who is to guarantee the dems will stay in the majority (Good Lord willing they will) - B. Someone already HAS THAT JOB. And C. - this is only being floated by the punditry as a consolation prize.

BTW...Barack has a rally in Charleston on Monday. Watch the Obama thread for pictures. I'll be sure to let him know you guys say hi.

The above statement is just - well - not very nice. (Sorry, its been a long day of overtime and I'm exhausted, so I'm at a loss for equally snarky words).

If you hope to persuade us to hop aboard the Obama campaign (as the contest is almost over, I grudgingly admit) - that's not the way to go about it!

 

[moon]

Dont take down your "Hillary 08" placards...just yet!!!!!!!


Here are some highlights...

Ohio, Florida hold keys to election victory

The long fixation on race, gender, age and class in the Democratic primaries will soon spread to the general election as the Democratic nominee seeks the keys to the Republican kingdom: Ohio and Florida.

Both states were hotly contested battlegrounds in 2000 and 2004 that gave George W. Bush two terms in the White House. Without them, Republicans lose the presidency.

If Sen. John McCain holds both states for Republicans in November, Democrats must put together 47 offsetting votes in the state-based, winner-take-all Electoral College.

Ohio and Florida are the foundation of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's last-ditch attempt to convince fellow Democrats that her strengths with Latinos, women, seniors and the white working class play best against McCain in roughly 10 swing states.

Sen. Barack Obama's victories in nearly every primary since February have rested on African Americans, upscale whites and young people. He has consistently performed poorly among key populations in Florida - Latinos, seniors and Jewish voters - and in Ohio among older women, Catholics and the white working class, what some call the "blue-collar, blue-hair vote."

Sixteen members of Congress from Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Ohio, Missouri, Florida, Nevada and other swing states wrote in a letter posted on Clinton's Web site Friday that her Pennsylvania victory last month was a "wake-up call."

Some conservative House Democrats privately worry that having Obama at the top of their ticket could damage their own re-election chances.

Obama supporters dismiss Clinton's strength among parts of the Democratic base as a specious extrapolation of primary results. Primaries have nothing to do with a matchup against McCain, they contend.

In Florida, Clinton is indisputably stronger against McCain, whose campaign would alter its Florida strategy were she the nominee.

Experts predict Obama would lose Florida.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/10/MNK710JSB5.DTL&tsp=1

Thank you, DISUNC! I was about to post asking if everyone has given up hope.
Reading this thread today has been pretty hard and sad

 

["Got Disney"]

BTW did anybody catch Obama today saying that he been to ALL 57 STATES during this primary!!!!!!!!!!

Mistake? Or easily detected Lie?

He is very tired so I will give him that....

Ask wvrey what type of state West Virginia is? There is absolutely no way a Democrat would win this state in the General Election. No way. Bush both WV and Kentucky without breaking a sweat.

Wvrey would tell you that the confederate flag is more important than the flag pin. So why would Obama waste money on it in the primary. Only 28 delegates (proportional) at stake.

ummmmm what do you mean just ask WV??? is WV the know to guy in the Obama thread at this time?

I can't vote for Obama and I can't vote for McCain. I will vote and write in Hillary. She was my choice and still is.

sounds good to me...I told my niece that I will write her name in to be POTUS...she said Wow you can do that? That would be cool me written in on the ballot she just turned 17.

Why not vote for Mickey Mouse? That'd do about as much good. 'Cause hey...the Supreme Court isn't important, and neither are the body bags coming back from Iraq, right?

you are sooooo funny WV You the one who will not vote for Hillary if she won the Nom and was going to help McCain...so seems that old double standard is there yet again. That statement was of no importance to you when it might have been Hillary who might win the NOM.....you who cares so much about the soldiers and the Supreme Court....you were willing to throw that all away if it meant having to vote Hillary. But know that we dont want to vote Obama theses 2 statements all of a sudden matter to you...your so funny I just love ya I do

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I will take your suggestion under advisement because IMO Mickey Mouse would make a better president than Obama.

I love Mickey Mouse...gotta love the mouse

See, I just don't get you, punkin. What has Obama done that makes you think that he wouldn't be a good president? Obviously, he's pretty good at getting people to do what he wants them to, since he started this race so far behind, it was almost a race for second. If he was weak, he'd have fallen under the assault that Hillary had launched long ago (and please don't take that as a shot at her...I just mean that he has shown his strength in standing up under the pressure).

I'm honestly not trying to convert you right now. I'm trying to take PG's advice and give you guys some space to come to your own decision. But you seem to have such vitriol towards Obama, and I guess I just don't understand why. Is he "inexperienced"? A bit, but we've had presidents that have had plenty of success with less experience than he has. Is it the association with Wright? Find me a politician that doesn't have an association or two that it would be better for everyone if they didn't. That, to me, just doesn't seem enough to generate the hatred that you seem to have for him. I'm just trying to understand it.

Besides...do you honestly think that John McCain would be a better president for liberal ideals than Obama would? If you honestly care about things like personal privacy, a woman's right to choose, humane treatment of prisoners, civil rights for all Americans, and the welfare of our military forces, I just don't see how you can possibly "sit this one out".

Again there ya go .....So lets ask you in reverse....

What has Hillary done that makes you think she would not be a good POTUS?

And yes he is pretty good at getting people to do what HE WANTS them to do for America....but Hillary is better at getting them to do what They want to do for America...

Yes we can always see that you are trying to give us our space...thank you for that and we love you for it and glad you are not trying to convert us...cause we dont want to be converted....dont think converted is the right word to use...sounds like it is a religion or cult or terrorist thing...sure there is another word that can be used....anyone have an idea?

Umm you tell us if McCain would be better than Obama because you were going to defect to his side if Hillary were to get the NOM? I would think that you could answer that one better than us?

So there ya go...all in reverse....right back at ya so if you could please answer the questions...it would be appreciated...and thanks again for stopping in you are always welcome

 

["Got Disney"]

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY

 

[Planogirl]

Happy Mother's to everyone from me too!

And again I suggest just giving it all time to sink in. Naturally, Obama looks about as appealing as swimming outside during a snowstorm right now. November is a long way off though.

 

[punkin]

Happy Mother's to everyone from me too!

And again I suggest just giving it all time to sink in. Naturally, Obama looks about as appealing as swimming outside during a snowstorm right now. November is a long way off though.

I do not believe that there is anything to sink in YET. Until Hillary says otherwise, she is still running. It ain't over 'till the Puerto Ricans vote.

 

[MermaidsMom]

I do not believe that there is anything to sink in YET. Until Hillary says otherwise, she is still running. It ain't over 'till the Puerto Ricans vote.

Thank You!

 

[jacksonsmom]

Thanks for that article.
I don't believe it is over until HILLARY says it is over. She is a SMART woman and knows what she is doing
She will know when it is time drop out, until then I will PROUDLY support her

I keep saying without a Florida win for the Dems, we will not get into the White House. I just don't see Obama carrying Florida. He just doesn't have the support in that state.

HAPPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO ALL THE MOTHERS!

 

[wvrevy]

1 - Happy Mother's Day to all the Hillary Moms out there !

2 - I never said I would campaign for McCain if Hillary won the nomination legitimately. I said I would do so if she won it via tricks with the convention rules committee, and only if she won it that way.

3 - At one time, I did think Hillary would be a good president. I still think she would likely be a better president than McCain. It's mostly the tactics she's used (the moving goalposts and the dismissal of expert opinions sound eerily familiar) that have turned me against her.

4 - To Jarn - My apologies for the "snarky" comment. I was reading page after page of comments about his not coming to WV (where he's going to get beat anyway) instead of campaigning in Oregon (where they have more delegates and where he's more likely to win by a wide margin and where they are already voting, as it is a vote-by-mail system). Since Obama did schedule a large event in Charleston, I was just pointing out that he hasn't completely written us off, even though I wouldn't blame him if he did.

5 - Also, please don't think I would suggest the Senate Majority Leader position as a "consolation" prize. I honestly think she would do a better job in the position than Harry Reid, who doesn't seem to have a lot of "fight" in him. In that position, she can push her agenda - which is a liberal agenda - and put that spirit of "fight" she has to work for the country.

6 - I've given my reasons for thinking Obama would be a better president many times. I like his background. I like his willingness to talk to people that we don't agree with. I like that he's been right since Day 1 on the Iraq war. I like that he has orchestrated such a brilliant campaign against all odds. I like that he argues nuanced positions in a way that people actually seem to get them instead of just listening to sound bytes. I like that he argues liberal ideals as the better way to go without demonizing the other side. I like that he's given voice to millions of voters that have never been a part of the process before, and feel he is best qualified to give them a real voice in the office. ALL of those things make me think that he would make a good president, and possibly a great one.

 

[Purrrrfecta]

Sen. Barack Obama's victories in nearly every primary since February have rested on African Americans, upscale whites and young people. He has consistently performed poorly among key populations in Florida - Latinos, seniors and Jewish voters - and in Ohio among older women, Catholics and the white working class, what some call the "blue-collar, blue-hair vote."


I am wondering, however, if Obama takes Richardson as his running mate, which I think he should, he could possibly win Texas ,Florida, California, New York. I beleive that they together would capture over 75 % of the Hispanic vote. Ohio and Penn at that point would be able to go red.
So then he would just have to worry about the white working class, and a smaller percentage of Catholics, because most Hispanics are Catholic.

What do you think?

I can see those Univison ads now!!

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Ok - did anyone see the SNL opening last night?

I do not always agree with their point of view on some of the political sketches - but I can almost always see the humor. Or where they were trying to go with it anyway. But last night blew me away. There was no humor in it - it was downright insulting, to both Hillary and the people that support her. If this skit had been reversed - it would not only be getting blasted all over the media this morning - but I am sure there would be calls of getting SNL off the air. The rampant double standard makes me sick.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/play.shtml?mea=250052


Also, here is an article that I found that goes a long way towards explaining some of my thoughts about not voting for Obama. It is a little long so I won't quote it here, but I do think it is a good read.

http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=913

 

[moon]

I am wondering, however, if Obama takes Richardson as his running mate, which I think he should, he could possibly win Texas ,Florida, California, New York. I beleive that they together would capture over 75 % of the Hispanic vote. Ohio and Penn at that point would be able to go red.
So then he would just have to worry about the white working class, and a smaller percentage of Catholics, because most Hispanics are Catholic.

I've heard this idea tossed a lot, but I don't believe this would happen.

Hispanics choose -in a big way, I may add- Hillary over Richardson. How could he deliver that population over to BO, when he couldn't deliver their vote for himself?

Also, he lost that vote before he endorsed Obama. That endorsmment was seen as a betrayal -if not to the Clintons, to his constituency who had already voted for Hillary. It didn't help that he was seen in Univision and Telemundo going all over the place when he was trying to explain his reasons for endorsing BO, at one point even stupidly saying "I don't know him that well, really". He was never consistent giving a reason, which made many think that there was some back door deal made. He's now seen as unloyal an oportunistic by many.

He wouldn't be an asset in anyone's ticket, IMO

 

[DISUNC]

HAPPY
MOTHERS
DAY​

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[DISUNC]

Ok - did anyone see the SNL opening last night?

I do not always agree with their point of view on some of the political sketches - but I can almost always see the humor. Or where they were trying to go with it anyway. But last night blew me away. There was no humor in it - it was downright insulting, to both Hillary and the people that support her. If this skit had been reversed - it would not only be getting blasted all over the media this morning - but I am sure there would be calls of getting SNL off the air. The rampant double standard makes me sick.

I did see it, but I thought it was Hillary as seen through Obama supporters eyes. But I will agree it was done not very funny.

 

[Planogirl]

Don't get me wrong, I still support Hillary for President and will continue to do so until SHE decides to drop out. I'm just mentally preparing myself for that I guess. In my view she will always be the best choice whatever happens.