Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[robinb]

By the way if we Hillary supporters don't matter why do you Obama supporters keep coming over here? Do you just like to stir up trouble? I don't even lurk on your Obama thread because Obama does NOT interest me. If I see a thread, any thread on this board that doesn't interest me, I don't open it. If you don't like Hillary why would you even want to read and post on a thread about her with people that SUPPORT and ADMIRE her?????

Because ... pick all that apply:

(A) They can't read the part of the thread title that says "no bashing please".
(B) They don't respect us enough to give us our own thread or to allow us to talk amongst ourselves without interference.
(C) They believe that we can not do without their "input" and "wisdom".
(D) They believe that they must continually "correct" us.
(E) They want to silence and bully us the same as they want to bully and silence Hillary.
(F) They want this thread closed so theirs will be the only voice of the Democratic party.
(G) All of the above.

I have been a big proponent of unity in the party, but after seeing the complete disrespect of the Hillary supporters by the Obama supporters in the Hillary SUPPORT thread today I am beyond disgusted. And while all of you OS are busy with your little "drive bys" NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU stopped for a second and said something to JARNJ3 about the loss of her mother or jacksonsmom for her dad's terminal illness. Not one of you . Your beloved Barack Obama has more compassion in his little finger than the lot of you who posted here today combined.

 

[wvrevy]

Uh nope, I said Obama is SMART in knowing just what to say. That is different then being intelligent

BTW, I am not saying Obama is stupid. I know he isn't. Just like Hillary and McCain are not stupid.

I just don't feel Obama is intelligent enough to run this Country!

Uh...smart and intelligent are synonyms...they mean exactly the same thing. And I won't even try to argue that Hillary is stupid. Never have, never will. McCain...I think that's an open question, considering he went from holding strong, independent positions on the issues to parroting everything the Bush administration stands for.

This quote bothered me and since I'm one on this thread that has brought up the sexism issue; I feel that I should respond.

I have not accused any Obama supporter on the DIS of sexism. I don't know if any of you are sexist or are not. I stay off the Obama thread, for the most part, to see whose viewpoints are what. Occasionally I peek in to see what's going on when I find a reference to it elsewhere - but a lot of the posts in the Obama thread have upset me and I don't always find them to be accurate -- just like a lot of the posts in the Hillary thread upset a lot of you (you being the collective OS) and you don’t find to be accurate.

I did want to point out that there is an issue in this political race of sexism and double standards that has largely been ignored. It has been brought up and discussed numerous times any racial issues that have arisen, but any sexism issues get dismissed and Hillary is just passed off as being a whiner. So, that’s why I wanted to strongly point out that sexism does exist in this race as it’s been ok to acknowledge and discus that racism has played some role but it’s coming across that any sexism occurring is not to be acknowledged and is to be dismissed.

And I don't believe any of us have gone over the the OS thread to strongly imply that 'the only reason you're not voting for Hillary is because you are sexist' but we've had a couple of OS come over here and strongly hint that we are all racist because we don't want to vote for Obama.

For the record, Dolce, I've never had a problem with any of your posts - even while disagreeing with your conclusions - and certainly didn't mean to direct my comment to you in particular. I was simply talking about comments about how OS supporters are scared by "strong, intelligent women", none of which you made. Those comments were made by a neoconservative McCain supporter and either applauded or echoed by others on the thread, not you.



Lastly, to Jarn and Jacksonsmom, my heartfelt best wishes in these tough times you and your families are facing.

 

[jacksonsmom]

Deleted all the post and my response...it's not worth it



I am finished talking and trying to explain myself and my feelings to all Obama supporters on this Hillary thread. You want to debate it, make a separate thread for those issues.
For now on only replying to people who can read the title of this thread

 

[Dolce27]

Todays Hillary news, in ref to RFK...Press is certainly making a MOUNTAIN out of a molehill!

Hey DISUNC - been wondering where you've been; you seem to be only doing flybys the last few days. Glad to see you around.

I've been arguing this topic since I got home last night. Her words have been taken so out of context and twisted to be applied towards someone else entirely that it's unbelievable!



Robin, thank-you for that post. That does express our frustration on this thread and made some very valid points. You are one that has tried so hard to keep the peace on both threads. I’m sure that you feel that you are speaking to brick walls on both sides. I'll go out on a limb and speak for others to say: I think that most of us on both threads really do appreciate your efforts.


wvrevy thank you for being nice to me in your last post and for taking the time to point out that you weren't directing that comment towards me.

However, while I'm not a true Democrat (I consider myself more of a Centrist -- is that what they're called?--) I don't think it was nice to call Jacksonsmom, a Democrat posting on a Democratic candidate's thread, a neoconservative McCain supporter. You knew that was bound to upset her.

 

[mom2twinz3]

It's been a long hard road, he has ALS.
It is starting to affect his breathing so we have no idea how much time he has left, but he probably won't make it through the year. But we just enjoy the time we have.

Btw-- it's funny he knows I am a huge Hillary supporter. He lets me go on and on about her. He can't stand her OR Obama! LOL Nope, he doesn't like McCain either. He thinks all the choices are horrible this year! He keeps saying we need a new batch of candidates because this batch is no good! Gotta love him though

I'm so sorry Please know you and your Dad are in my thoughts. You have the right idea about enjoying the time you have together though.

Mary

 

[mom2twinz3]

I have not been posting on this thread (or on the DIS for that matter) for various reasons but I'll post today.

I am so sorry for your loss {{hugs}}. I am sending off good thoughts for you and your family.

I missed the original post on this, but just wanted to give my condolences. My mom has been gone since '97. I am here if you need to talk.

Mary

 

[wvrevy]

wvrevy thank you for being nice to me in your last post and for taking the time to point out that you weren't directing that comment towards me.

However, while I'm not a true Democrat (I consider myself more of a Centrist -- is that what they're called?--) I don't think it was nice to call Jacksonsmom, a Democrat posting on a Democratic candidate's thread, a neoconservative McCain supporter. You knew that was bound to upset her.

Whoa! I did NOT mean Jacksonsmom when I said that! I was speaking of the poster from the conservative thread, not anyone here! She's tried to use that silly line on me before, and yes, I'm offended by it. Jacksonsmom repeated it, which, yes, I had a problem with, but that wasn't who I was referring to by the "neoconservative" label. That doesn't even begin to apply to anyone that would support Hillary Clinton.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[jacksonsmom]

Whoa! I did NOT mean Jacksonsmom when I said that! I was speaking of the poster from the conservative thread, not anyone here! She's tried to use that silly line on me before, and yes, I'm offended by it. Jacksonsmom repeated it, which, yes, I had a problem with, but that wasn't who I was referring to by the "neoconservative" label. That doesn't even begin to apply to anyone that would support Hillary Clinton.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Thank you for clearing that up actually because I have to admit I did think it was aimed at me, which I did not understand.

 

[kinntj]

Todays Hillary news, in ref to RFK...Press is certainly making a MOUNTAIN out of a molehill!

That's for certain. Even though Barack has made mistakes, I still plan on voting for the guy, but Hillary gets nothing. No bone thrown for her.

On Fox News they were stating her going to the convention and forcing herself on the ticket. Personally, I would stop supporting her at that point if it came to it. There's no way I would want her to force herself to be on a ticket with someone who doesn't want her on there. I think they were stating a rare extreme case though, but it made me drop my jaw a bit.

I'm not sure exactly what her plans are besides to try to seat MI and FL, why she would go to the convention, but I'll just sit by and watch it unfold.

All I have to say is Democrats to the White House!!!!!

 

[MerryPoppins]

to JARNJ3 about the loss of her mother or jacksonsmom for her dad's terminal illness. Not one of you . Your beloved Barack Obama has more compassion in his little finger than the lot of you who posted here today combined.

Wow! I've been away for the day and y'all have been BUSY. I think that's all I want to say about the exchanges here today.

On the other hand, I've been to a high school graduation, where my DD sang with the Jazz Choir and to a wedding. Both were uplifting and happy times. But now my feet hurt.

As far as Hillary's comments yesterday...I think it's a non-issue. She didn't mean what she said to sound the way it did. I am sure from context, she was trying to make a point that several modern primaries have run long. She was simply talking about the fact that Bobby was still in the primary race when he died (and the assisination date showed that his primary was still undecided in June)....period. I don't for a minute think she was suggesting Obama might be shot. She used a poor choice of words, but she's not stupid. No halfway intelligent candidate would do such a thing. She said she is sorry she said something that was misunderstood, and that's that, in my opinion. Obviously, YMMV. No doubt some now have her as part of a conspiracy. Let's get real.

JARNJ3, I'm so sorry to hear your news. You and your mom have been in my prayers. I continue to think of you and your family. Losing a parent is never easy. I lost my dad about 19 years ago, and it's still hard.

Jacksonsmom, I'm sorry that your dad isn't well. I've never been down that road. My dad's death was sudden. But my grandfather lived with us and he had Alzheimer's. It was heartbreaking to watch him go downhill. My thoughts and prayers are with you also.

 

["Got Disney"]

First, there is no other possible interpretation to what she said other than, "... a leading candidate got assasinated in '68 in June, so if something like that happens this June then I'd be crazy to have gotten out of the race.". That is the only reason to reference RFK as justification to stay in the race. Why else reference him? There is no other way to read it.
It doesn't mean that she's planning to kill him, (although it doesn't mean she's not either), it means "if he gets shot I get to be the Dem candidate".

Second, she insulted Obama and she apologized to the Kennedys. Not a trace of remorse for what she implied. Just psychotic damage control. Truly digusting.

If she just made a mistake yesterday, what was her excuse for making a similar comment back in March? If everyone is out to get her, why didn't we hear anything then.

Guys - there really is no need for everyone to sit here and debate, it is a moot point. She is DONE. It is all over.

Obama has secured the nomination and will be our next President in 2008 and 2012! Gobama!

I agree! But in her position, she shoudn't use that word at all.

I can't remember off the top of my head but last night on Countdown with Kieth Olbermann he mentioned at least 5 other races that run through June. Why not mention those races? All those high paid advisors and they can't research that. Why mention the death of RFK? If she stated that in those years the race was going on you'd have a point. She mentioned the death of Bobby. This was her reasons for staying in the race. Olbermann also mentioned that this is her 4th time stating this comment without the word assassination in it. That word is the problem.

How is accusing Hillary supporters of being racist any different than accusing Obama supporters of being misogynist? That seems to be perfectly acceptable on this thread, right? Personally, I think both generalizations are nonsense. Oh, there are specific groups that won't support Obama because he's black and groups that won't support Hillary because she's female. But the vast majority of people supporting one candidate over the other are doing so for reasons that have nothing to do with race or gender. It's a bit disingenuous to condemn one generalization while participating in a thread that regularly engages in the other, don't you think?

Secondly, in one paragraph you say Obama isn't intelligent, and in the next you say he is. 'Course, in the second paragraph you obliquely accuse his supporters of being easily duped, so maybe that makes up for it.

Lastly, the reasons so many of us post over here are this: probably 70% of the posts on this thread don't deal with Hillary, but with the person we support. We're usually posting to either correct misinformation or put forward our own opinion about something. We also post here to defend ourselves, as there doesn't seem to be any objection here to classifying all Obama supporters as the same, despite the obvious untruth of that statement. And lastly, we post here because, in the end, we are all Democrats that believe in many of the same things. Despite our differences, the things that should unite us as a party are legion compared to the things that are dividing us.

And about that last point. I would like to point out that despite being called a troll, a misogynist, and stupid, I have not attacked a single person on this thread. Yes, I've disagreed with some point or another that has been posted. But nowhere have I posted the kind of vitriol that has been thrown at me here. If you don't believe that, go back and read my posts. Not a single one attacks a group of people or an individual on a personal level. I have disagreed, and for that I'm being vilified while posters with a history of attacking other liberals are patted on the back for jumping in on the fun.

This nomination process is almost over, and like me or not, we're going to be on the same side of most political disagreements that don't center upon our respective choices for the nomination. Right to choose...education...the war in Iraq...health care........the vast majority of you hold the same beliefs on those issues that I do. All I ask is that you think about that before jumping on the bandwagon with a few conservative posters in attacking me personally.

Yeah, they pass out those Harvard law degrees to everyone.

To all of the OS here....I throw Pixie Dust on you
WHY You ask why...well because I will no longer read you rposts but will reply with love:: and because I have nothing to say to you all ever again...[/SIZE]except a reply of Pixie dust

 

[Dolce27]

Whoa! I did NOT mean Jacksonsmom when I said that! I was speaking of the poster from the conservative thread, not anyone here! She's tried to use that silly line on me before, and yes, I'm offended by it. Jacksonsmom repeated it, which, yes, I had a problem with, but that wasn't who I was referring to by the "neoconservative" label. That doesn't even begin to apply to anyone that would support Hillary Clinton.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I apologize. It looked like the comment was aimed at her. I'm sorry that I misunderstood.

 

[Purrrrfecta]

I was reading this in a New York Daily news blog. I know that someone would read this and make the comment that this guy is just angry at the Clintons. Let me speak by saying that I had a great deal of respect for Bill Clinton. I was one of those who did not even know a thing about Obama because I was soo in love with the Clintons and what I thought they stood for. I loved the fact the Bill Clinton intoduced the 5 year and out plan for welfare. This being something that most do not realize. They often think it is a Republican thing. Actually it was the Republicans in 2001 who said that the plan would have to be reassessed because the country was going into a recession. Unfortunately during this election my opinion started to change. I started reading as much information as I could dig up on both of the candidates. I read everything I could. I set everything aside - including the race issue. I looked for the goodness in both - Obama and Clinton.
I want to believe Hllary is a good person. I want to believe that she is being misunderstood, but it seems like everytime I do something else comes out of her mouth that makes her seem like she has no morals.

This is what I was reading, and I thought to myself that I too believe what this person wrote when he said that, "The Clintons are working class preditors who feed off the angst and ignorance of the lower classes." A lot of it is spin, and I am not talking about that. I am just discussing this particular statement he quoted. Let me also make it clear that I do not like the nasty position he is taking here. I think all this does is cause others to become more defensive.

Unfortunately, what I quoted was the opinion I was forming too. I would like to see a different side to her, and I wish it would shine through to all.

I worked for the Clinton/Gore Campaign in 1992, voting for the Democratic ticket in 1992 and 1996, but have since that time learned how to stop drinking the Clinton Kool-Aid. You must drink it, if you are to continually overlook how the Clintons operate with a moral compass. The Clintons have absoutely no integrity, honor or character. Her campaign operatives were on the DNC Rules Committee, the Clinton Machine in essence controlled this proces, a process they believed would lead to her coronation after Super Tuesday. It did not happen. Hillary and her campaign were not ready on Day 1, Day 151, Day 361. They have squandered an obscene amount of women, have run a largely racist campaign. The Clintons are intellectuals and elitists yet they have run a campaign targetting the left side of the bell curve, the intellectually undernourished, the spiritually unelightened and the working poor. She is Jessie Helms, George Wallace,Lee Atwater and Karl Rove. That may make Hillary the "QUEEN OF APPALACHIA" people who Bill and Hillary otherwise detest, but they will deceive, manipulate and defraud the working classes in those regions for votes. And it is this that is supposed to appeal to our better instincts as a people and to entrust them with leadership of our country? The Clintons are obsessed with power, delusional about their relative significance and corrupt in the manner and style of their pursuit. By drawing ridiculous comparisons to 2000 voter disenfranchisment, the civil rights movement, Hillary wants us to believe that her blind ambition is our collective higher calling. Unfortunately Hillary is a shape shifting political fraud. a faux feminist, elitist who is fraudulent to the core. Even her appearance is scripted to appear as the All American Middle Class White Lady: Fake Blue Contacts, Dyed Blonde Hair, Botox Injections and Pantsuits. THE CLINTONS ARE WORKING CLASS PREDATORS who feed off the angst and ignorance of the lower classes. America will need a colonic to cleanse itself of the stench of Clinton's old politics to flush out the political fecal matter from the bowels of our democracy. Only then will America emerge detoxified. Analogies to Freddie Kruger, Michael Myers & Jason Voorhees are fitting. As Peggy Noonan stated Hillary is more analogous to Glenn Close's character in FATAL ATTRACTION: "I will not be ignored" In the end the question of what Hillary wants but rather what she must experience, and that is to be vanquished so that she can not hold hostage the desire of this country to move forward. In the end Hillary is not so much a monster as she is a CANCER on our system
Posted by London In NY on May 22, 2008 5:16 PM .

 

[KikiFan]

What Part of "Hillary Supporters" is confusing to you??
Is the "No Bashing" part in any way unclear??

You have absolutely NO respect for the fact that we created this thread as a safe haven for those of us who like Hillary to meet and discuss the primary. You couldn't find any place more appropriate to post that garbage?
The complete lack of simple human courtesy is disgusting.

You guys are so determined to take over this thread and pound us into submission? Fine. Take the thread. Fill it with your vitriol and hatred. I won't be posting in this or any political thread here again.

But if you think you've won some great moral victory - forget it. My opinion hasn't changed. If anything I'm more determined.

 

[moon]

What Part of "Hillary Supporters" is confusing to you??
Is the "No Bashing" part in any way unclear??

You have absolutely NO respect for the fact that we created this thread as a safe haven for those of us who like Hillary to meet and discuss the primary. You couldn't find any place more appropriate to post that garbage?
The complete lack of simple human courtesy is disgusting.

You guys are so determined to take over this thread and pound us into submission? Fine. Take the thread. Fill it with your vitriol and hatred. I won't be posting in this or any political thread here again.

But if you think you've won some great moral victory - forget it. My opinion hasn't changed. If anything I'm more determined.

ITA. I don't understand the purpose of this. And it makes me wonder, is this what their candidate inspires? They are convinced they won, they say that BO is the Nominee, so what's the purpose to kick us when we're down?

Again, it this what their candidate inspires?

Because I see this kind of behavior not only here, but everywhere. A few don't participate in it, but MOST do. And it both saddens me and frightens me that this arrogance, this bullying, this hatefulness is "the new face of the Democratic party"

Well, I don't feel part of it anymore. Sad, really.

Jacksonmom, I'm so sorry for what you are going through. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your dad

 

[Planogirl]

I wouldn't even mind the idea of discussing something like that post as distasteful as it is but not here. Not here.

I'm tired. I can only begin to imagine how this stuff gets to Jarn and Jacksonsmom with what they're dealing with. And of course anyone else dealing with tragedy that hasn't mentioned it.

 

[Uncle Remus]

What Part of "Hillary Supporters" is confusing to you??
Is the "No Bashing" part in any way unclear??

You have absolutely NO respect for the fact that we created this thread as a safe haven for those of us who like Hillary to meet and discuss the primary. You couldn't find any place more appropriate to post that garbage?
The complete lack of simple human courtesy is disgusting.

 

[Purrrrfecta]

MY THREAD WAS NOT MEANT TO BASH!!!

I was disgusted by the writer's harsh words. I hate the fact that this election is bringing animosity and racism to the surface.
Like I said I LOVED THE CLINTONS!!!!!!! LOVED THEM. THE SUN ROSE AND SET ON THEM. I would not have had it any other way. I am a Registered Republican, and one of the things that disgusted me about my party was the fact that those on the right would take the ignorant and pound their minds to produce hatred and fear in order to win an election. I am afraid this is what I am seeing again on the Democratic side, and I am bothered by it.

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[Dolce27]

MY THREAD WAS NOT MEANT TO BASH!!!

I was disgusted by the writer's harsh words. I hate the fact that this election is bringing animosity and racism to the surface.
Like I said I LOVED THE CLINTONS!!!!!!! LOVED THEM. THE SUN ROSE AND SET ON THEM. I would not have had it any other way. I am a Registered Republican, and one of the things that disgusted me about my party was the fact that those on the right would take the ignorant and pound their minds to produce hatred and fear in order to win an election. I am afraid this is what I am seeing again on the Democratic side, and I am bothered by it.

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The thing about what you posted above is that it was all just a vile, hateful opinion. There was nothing in it concrete, factual, that I could take and research to determine for myself something about Hillary one way or the other. So, in essence, it just bashed Hillary and only on opinion – no factual information given. The starter of this thread has asked numerous times that bashing not be brought to this thread, and that is why many are upset with your post.

 

[jacksonsmom]

I'm so sorry Please know you and your Dad are in my thoughts. You have the right idea about enjoying the time you have together though.

Mary

Thank you so much for your thoughts.