Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[KikiFan]

He protested that he could "no more disown" the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. than he could disown "the black community" or his own (sometimes politically incorrect) white grandmother. Really?

You know that's one of those things that has bothered me about Obama's "great speech" I feel like he really tried to reframe the issue of Wright into a case of anyone that's against Wright is automatically against the black community. There's absolutely no understanding that some might find Wright's words hateful simply on a human level or on a patriotic level.

Yeah, I know. It's a vicious cycle. One Obama Supporter comes into the Hillary thread to stir up trouble or one Hillary Supporter goes into the Obama thread to stir up trouble and then the tit-for-tat starts up, people get upset and the name calling begins. I guess all I would like to suggest is that when someone has the urge to say "Obama Supporters ..." (or, on the Obama thread "Hillary Supporters ...") that they just think twice about what they are saying and if saying it will help with the discussion or just vent their spleen.

Personally I feel like there is no desire on the part of the OS to make peace. During banfest, I made a point of stopping in their thread to offer my support for losing some key people. That is the only time I've ever posted in that thread. I think only one person acknowledged my post.

When the thread about "Hildebeast" was going , not one of the Obama Dems commented on how vile that particular term was. Yet every person on this thread has stood up for Obama when the Repubs were throwing around the Muslim comments.

Even here we've always welcomed the anyone as long as they weren't here to bash Hillary. I even thanked lilyv for her info on Guam. I don't see that happening from the other side.

I think it's imperative that we put out the welcome mat for all voters should Hillary win. We will need to prove to the young voters that there is a place for them in the democratic party and they may not be able to see it right away.

Putting out the welcome mat is one thing. Letting them force the entire party into something that's not in the party's best interest is another thing entirely.

 

[lilyv]

Yeah, I know. It's a vicious cycle. One Obama Supporter comes into the Hillary thread to stir up trouble or one Hillary Supporter goes into the Obama thread to stir up trouble and then the tit-for-tat starts up, people get upset and the name calling begins. I guess all I would like to suggest is that when someone has the urge to say "Obama Supporters ..." (or, on the Obama thread "Hillary Supporters ...") that they just think twice about what they are saying and if saying it will help with the discussion or just vent their spleen.

And sometimes someone stops by to say a sincere, friendly hello.

 

[punkin]

Young voters are great and I am very glad they are registered and planning on voting (even if they overwhelmingly prefer Obama). That being said, statistically, they should not be counted on to deliver elections all by themselves. It is still the middle class undecideds/independents who consistently vote middle of the road in every single election that pick the President. They are the ones that picked Clinton (Bill) and they are the ones that picked Bush. No democratic nominee can win without them.

 

[robinb]

Plus - if Obama wins - I'd like to see what "their" (the collective their) welcome mat is going to look like. Obama supporters around the web have villified Hillary so much - you'd think she was a right wing republican whack job!

I expect that the welcome mat would be as inclusive as possible. Obama would need Hillary's people as much as Hillary would need Obama's people. The other reason why I have a problem with singling out Obama/Hillary supporters is that they don't make the decisions in the Democratic Party. They're just "talking heads" (or in my case, typing fingers, LOL). Demonizing your opponent is an old trick and in Hillary's case she is compared to Conservatives to make her look more like an enemy even though her policies are just a fraction away from Obama's.

I might as well bring this up now since you're talking about people accusing Hillary of being right wing ... what does everyone here think about this mailing being sent to voters in Indiana? I found it on the Obama thread.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_mail_attacks_Obama_on_guns.html

Who the heck is this mailing directed at? It looks like the pro-gun folks. Isn't Hillary for gun control? I'm confused.

 

[robinb]

And sometimes someone stops by to say a sincere, friendly hello.

Thanks !

 

[KikiFan]

Sorry for the double post!

 

[KikiFan]

Who the heck is this mailing directed at? It looks like the pro-gun folks. Isn't Hillary for gun control? I'm confused.

I don't think it's about of gun control specifically. It's about Obama's inconsistency on a specific issue - it just happens to be gun control. I think that's a valid issue to bring up.

 

[Planogirl]

And sometimes someone stops by to say a sincere, friendly hello.

True. And it's much appreciated.

 

[punkin]

I might as well bring this up now since you're talking about people accusing Hillary of being right wing ... what does everyone here think about this mailing being sent to voters in Indiana? I found it on the Obama thread.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_mail_attacks_Obama_on_guns.html

Who the heck is this mailing directed at? It looks like the pro-gun folks. Isn't Hillary for gun control? I'm confused.

I don't think it's about of gun control specifically. It's about Obama's inconsistency on a specific issue - it just happens to be gun control. I think that's a valid issue to bring up.

I hadn't seen that before, but after reading it, I have to agree w/KikiFan. It does not say anything about Hillary's stance on gun control (which is an emphatic YES), but on Obama's ability to say whatever will get him the votes, just like every other politician. The only problem with this in Obama's case is that the main thrust of his campaign is that he is not like other politicians. It is not only a valid issue, it is an issue going to the heart of Obama's campaign and thus perfectly legitimate.

 

[Planogirl]

I don't think it's about of gun control specifically. It's about Obama's inconsistency on a specific issue - it just happens to be gun control. I think that's a valid issue to bring up.

I thought the same. I think that Hillary is for gun control up to a point. I think the ad points out that Obama's views appear to be inconsistent.

 

[robinb]

I don't think it's about of gun control specifically. It's about Obama's inconsistency on a specific issue - it just happens to be gun control. I think that's a valid issue to bring up.

But who do you think it's aimed at? There is a purpose behind it and I don't think it's just general inconstancies in what Obama says.

 

[Aristocath]

Yeah, I know. It's a vicious cycle. One Obama Supporter comes into the Hillary thread to stir up trouble or one Hillary Supporter goes into the Obama thread to stir up trouble and then the tit-for-tat starts up, people get upset and the name calling begins. I guess all I would like to suggest is that when someone has the urge to say "Obama Supporters ..." (or, on the Obama thread "Hillary Supporters ...") that they just think twice about what they are saying and if saying it will help with the discussion or just vent their spleen.

I think that is the key. I don't think either of the threads should be around to discuss the supporters of Hillary or Obama. They should be around to discuss the issues and primaries/caucuses. I know it is hard avoid falling in the trap because many of us feel strongly for one candidate or the other. But the bottom line should be the same for all of us...getting a Democrat in the White House in the 2008 election. We need to work together, not insult each other.

 

[KikiFan]

But who do you think it's aimed at? There is a purpose behind it and I don't think it's just general inconstancies in what Obama says.

Will there be some gun nuts that will look at that and assume that it means Hillary is against gun control? Sure. But lets face it, none of those people are voting for either Obama or Hillary. And anyone that's even half heartedly followed Hillary's campaign knows she's for gun control.

The real point of that mailer is to point out that Obama is as much of a hypocrite as every politician out there. Which wouldn't be such a big deal - if he hadn't made such a point of saying he's not. That's the nature of politics - you place yourself on a pedestal about an issue -you've just made yourself a target.

Frankly I think some people are just trying to muddy the waters and make this about gun control, when it's really an issue of consistency.

 

[Planogirl]

I'm sure that many people aren't 100% decided yet. Hillary is often accused of saying whatever to get elected. This advertisement just points out that Obama has been known to do so himself.

 

[robinb]

Frankly I think some people are just trying to muddy the waters and make this about gun control, when it's really an issue of consistency.

Unfortunately, I think the person muddying the waters on this one is Hillary herself. I would be 100% happier with the mailing if it also reinforced Hillary's own stance on gun control.

 

[KikiFan]

Unfortunately, I think the person muddying the waters on this one is Hillary herself. I would be 100% happier with the mailing if it also reinforced Hillary's own stance on gun control.

I'm sorry I just don't agree. Over and over in this election we've seen a certain segment of people always attribute the worst motives to anything Hillary says or does while always giving Obama the benefit of the doubt. I think this mailer is just another case of that.

There's nothing on that mailer that hints that Hillary is against gun control. If she'd included a statement that she is for gun control then she would have been attacked for making it look like Obama is against gun control. When what she's trying to do is point out that he's inconsistent. It's no win for Hillary with some people.

 

[robinb]

I'm sorry I just don't agree. Over and over in this election we've seen a certain segment of people always attribute the worst motives to anything Hillary says or does while always giving Obama the benefit of the doubt. I think this mailer is just another case of that.

Well, that's certainly not me! FWIW, I did not read the article because I suspected it was more of the same stuff you're talking about. I just looked at the mailer.

There's nothing on that mailer that hints that Hillary is against gun control. If she'd included a statement that she is for gun control then she would have been attacked for making it look like Obama is against gun control. When what she's trying to do is point out that he's inconsistent. It's no win for Hillary with some people.

Good point. I know that Obama is in favor of gun control. I still think there is something missing on the mailer and it makes me pretty uncomfortable.

 

[KikiFan]

Well, that's certainly not me! FWIW, I did not read the article because I suspected it was more of the same stuff you're talking about. I just looked at the mailer.

Good point. I know that Obama is in favor of gun control. I still think there is something missing on the mailer and it makes me pretty uncomfortable.

Oh I'm sorry! I didn't mean for one second to imply that you were one of those attibuting the worst motives!

So what do you think she could have put on that flier that would have made you feel comfortable with it?

 

[robinb]

Oh I'm sorry! I didn't mean for one second to imply that you were one of those attibuting the worst motives!

Thanks! I really didn't think you did, but I wanted it to be clear to other readers, KWIM . I am also sorry that we disagree, but c'est la vie. We can't all agree on everything!

So what do you think she could have put on that flier that would have made you feel comfortable with it?

I don't know ... I don't get paid the big bucks to come up with stuff like that . It just seemed to be more directed to gun rights advocates and not gun control advocates. I guess I would feel better if the inconsistency was the main point and not guns themselves and I just didn't "get" it.

 

["Got Disney"]

I expect that the welcome mat would be as inclusive as possible. Obama would need Hillary's people as much as Hillary would need Obama's people. The other reason why I have a problem with singling out Obama/Hillary supporters is that they don't make the decisions in the Democratic Party. They're just "talking heads" (or in my case, typing fingers, LOL). Demonizing your opponent is an old trick and in Hillary's case she is compared to Conservatives to make her look more like an enemy even though her policies are just a fraction away from Obama's.

I might as well bring this up now since you're talking about people accusing Hillary of being right wing ... what does everyone here think about this mailing being sent to voters in Indiana? I found it on the Obama thread.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_mail_attacks_Obama_on_guns.html

Who the heck is this mailing directed at? It looks like the pro-gun folks. Isn't Hillary for gun control? I'm confused.

I thought the same. I think that Hillary is for gun control up to a point. I think the ad points out that Obama's views appear to be inconsistent.

I also think it is just to state that he is flip flopping on this issue and so in that case what else is he flip flopping on. I don't see anything wrong with it and it is nothing more negative in mailers than Obama has sent out. Personally I found it boring and if got it at home I would have looked at it and went hmmm okay nothing new in politics as far as mailers go and continued with my day. Now if it was a mailer on Rev Wright than I would have issue with it for sure. And I personally would go to her web site and tell them as much.

There will always be neg campaigning to a point. Cant get passed it. Wait and see what is thrown out there from Obamas camp if he gets the nomination at McCain He will have to or be slammed. McCain will also put stuff out there against Obama. And that wont be pretty either. This is hard ball and not a walk in the park. Sometimes trying to play nice will make you look weak in an election.

People wanna know what your made of. Good and bad...after all none of us are perfect but we tend to look at the POTUS to have less flaws than we do and to be smarter than us. After all they have the most important J.O.B in the US and we want to be sure we can sit back and know that we are being looked after.

As again for the mailer. Sure there is something similar as for as the negativity out there from Obama in Indiana and NC....after all they would not send one out saying...Vote for the other candidate because they are warm and fuzzy and will do a better job than me....


They sure both look drained today dont htey...they are both campaining there hearts out. They will get no sleep the next 2 days, thats for sure.