Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

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This is starting to get really sad.......

No more talking about the issues .......... Both sides are now into personal attacks. One side of the party is bound to be alienated - stay at home and not vote - or vote for the other side......

I think it makes it hard to stick to issues when they are so much the same. Hard to battle against each other for that because they would be battling against there own/themselves.

so the next best thing...go against there character...who they are...what have they done...why is this persons values wrong to serve as POTUS....

This has been a mild election. No real blood shed as many before it. Don't think the General will be to bad either, however it will have more slamming than the primaries have and some swiftboating.

I am glad they are getting int each others character...how else will we know who these people are. But commenting on having a drink is a little silly....everyone knows neither of them are drunks. That comment will go kn where except being seen as petty. But they are both good at petty remarks...and there nanny nanny at times attitudes.
 
Unfortunately I may have to make that decision in November, which is a shame all around.

Last election I voted for Kerry even though I did not particularly like him. I found him unexciting and uninspiring, but I thought he would make a competent president. I am almost sure at this point that Obama (while I will give him that he is brilliant and inspirational) will be a lousy president who will accomplish nothing.

At least McCain has shown that he can work with people across the aisle.

Yes it is a conundrum for me and one I feel will not be decided 'till November (unless Hillary gets the nod).


I hear you loud and clear. I have already decided as of today (tomorrow is another day) I will not vote for Obama. Deep down it saddens me because if Obama gets the nom, this will be the first time ever I did not vote Dem.
I will not vote for McCain either.
I plan on leaving it blank if Obama is the Dem nom. I will vote though because we have a big Senator fight and I can not stand Norm Coleman and want him out of office!

I know I have said this before but I think if the Supers vote in favor of Obama they are making a huge mistake. I do not see how Obama can win in the general. The stuff coming out now are just minor stuff to what the GOP will find and put him through.
Plus unless Obama has a nice little speech made, his thinking on his feet talks are not that good. Not a whole lot of people are paying close attention to Obama/Clinton right now, but once the general starts up you can believe people will be listening a lot closer and those little blunders Obama seems to have slip out will be more noticeable and not so easily swept under the rug.

I hope the Supers realize this.
Do I think Hillary will beat McCain hands down? No, it will be an uphill battle and it will be a close fight. But I don't think Obama will stand much of a chance once people really get to "know" Obama.

I liked Obama at first, but more and more he is saying things that make me go "mmmmmm" and I think maybe he isn't quite ready for this job after all.
JMO ;)
 

I hear you loud and clear. I have already decided as of today (tomorrow is another day) I will not vote for Obama. Deep down it saddens me because if Obama gets the nom, this will be the first time ever I did not vote Dem.
I will not vote for McCain either.
I plan on leaving it blank if Obama is the Dem nom.

I might just wright in Hillary (or DISUNC ;))
 
I don't see the bias. They harp on every word he says that may be percieved wrong. The real media darling is McCain IMO.

I'll agree with you there. What is really amazing is how close the race is between McCain and Obama-Clinton when McCain basically has the stage all to himself. He ought to be cleaning up. He's not.
 
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I'll agree with you there. What is really amazing is how close the race is between McCain and Obama-Clinton when McCain basically has the stage all to himself. He ought to be cleaning up. He's not.

But the weird thing is-if the poll is generic Republican vs Democrat, the Democrat cleans up. As soon as the names go on, it's nearly a dead heat. :confused3
 
I hear you loud and clear. I have already decided as of today (tomorrow is another day) I will not vote for Obama. Deep down it saddens me because if Obama gets the nom, this will be the first time ever I did not vote Dem.
I will not vote for McCain either.
I plan on leaving it blank if Obama is the Dem nom. I will vote though because we have a big Senator fight and I can not stand Norm Coleman and want him out of office!

I know I have said this before but I think if the Supers vote in favor of Obama they are making a huge mistake. I do not see how Obama can win in the general. The stuff coming out now are just minor stuff to what the GOP will find and put him through.
Plus unless Obama has a nice little speech made, his thinking on his feet talks are not that good. Not a whole lot of people are paying close attention to Obama/Clinton right now, but once the general starts up you can believe people will be listening a lot closer and those little blunders Obama seems to have slip out will be more noticeable and not so easily swept under the rug.

I hope the Supers realize this.
Do I think Hillary will beat McCain hands down? No, it will be an uphill battle and it will be a close fight. But I don't think Obama will stand much of a chance once people really get to "know" Obama.

I liked Obama at first, but more and more he is saying things that make me go "mmmmmm" and I think maybe he isn't quite ready for this job after all.
JMO ;)

I think Obama is touching the "3rd rails" of American politics such as race and anger. When people start to think of what a politician says, and not just nod their head over the 30-second soundbite, is the day all bets are off regarding the conventional wisdom.
 
Today the DNC sent a press realease to 'turn down the rhetoric"


:mad: AGAIN when Obama is in trouble the DNC issues statements to "turn down the rhetoric"!!!!

When Hillary is in trouble no statements are issued from the DNC!

:mad:
 
Today the DNC sent a press realease to 'turn down the rhetoric"


:mad: AGAIN when Obama is in trouble the DNC issues statements to "turn down the rhetoric"!!!!

When Hillary is in trouble no statements are issued from the DNC!

:mad:

That is a fact...also the DNC is probably worried that with all the stuff coming about that the issue of Florida and Michigan will come back into the media and tighten the noose again around there necks.
 
I think Obama is touching the "3rd rails" of American politics such as race and anger. When people start to think of what a politician says, and not just nod their head over the 30-second soundbite, is the day all bets are off regarding the conventional wisdom.

Maybe YES, maybe NO.

Obama promised not to bring Race into his campaign...untill his spirtual advisor was caught with his racist antics.
It was only then Obama came out with the 'race' issues. Seems to me that he is doing nothing more than CYAing!

We have far too many issues in this country THAT CAN be fixed by a President. Race is not one of them.
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";24473362]That is a fact...also the DNC is probably worried that with all the stuff coming about that the issue of Florida and Michigan will come back into the media and tighten the noose again around there necks.[/QUOTE]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH that will come back...it never really went away. As of April 23 (pa primaries are 4/22) I am switching to Independant over that one!

Nothing but nothing outrages me more than anyone suppressing votes!
 
Just droppin in to tell y'all that while cleanin my gun and sproutin Bible verses, I saw Hillarys new commecial in NE PA!

Its all about the Obama remarks concerning Small town America being Bitter.

THAT WAS FAST.

Whats even more remarkable, she has ordinary people standing in front of very well know NEPA landmarks saying why they wont vote for Obama.
 
Just droppin in to tell y'all that while cleanin my gun and sproutin Bible verses, I saw Hillarys new commecial in NE PA!

Its all about the Obama remarks concerning Small town America being Bitter.

THAT WAS FAST.

Whats even more remarkable, she has ordinary people standing in front of very well know NEPA landmarks saying why they wont vote for Obama.

is this the one.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAXucMY7Dvk
 
You are all invited to:
The Florida Counts Rally

When
Saturday, April 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM 20080426T140000Z
Where
Lake Eola Park Amphitheatre
195 North Rosiland Avenue
Orlando , FL 32801
4074528432
Organized by
Jessy Hamilton (Steering Committee Chair)
Details
Join us Saturday 26 April for what promises to be the largest - and certainly most important - event we have organized to date. Greater Orlando's Team Hillary in conjunction with Florida Demands Representation (FDR) will co-host a major rally at the Lake Eola Park Amphitheatre in Downtown Orlando to send the message that Florida voted and those votes should count! Similar rallies will be held on the same date at locations throughout the Sunshine State. Major media outlets across the nation will be notified as attention turns to the Florida delegate situation following the Pennsylvania Primary. You won't want to miss this...
  • Special Guests
  • Speakers
  • Petition Drive
  • Voter Registration
  • Entertainment

For more information please visit: http://hrclinton.meetup.com/54/calendar/7709151/
 
You are all invited to:
The Florida Counts Rally

When
Saturday, April 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM 20080426T140000Z
Where
Lake Eola Park Amphitheatre
195 North Rosiland Avenue
Orlando , FL 32801
4074528432
Organized by
Jessy Hamilton (Steering Committee Chair)
Details
Join us Saturday 26 April for what promises to be the largest - and certainly most important - event we have organized to date. Greater Orlando's Team Hillary in conjunction with Florida Demands Representation (FDR) will co-host a major rally at the Lake Eola Park Amphitheatre in Downtown Orlando to send the message that Florida voted and those votes should count! Similar rallies will be held on the same date at locations throughout the Sunshine State. Major media outlets across the nation will be notified as attention turns to the Florida delegate situation following the Pennsylvania Primary. You won't want to miss this...
  • Special Guests
  • Speakers
  • Petition Drive
  • Voter Registration
  • Entertainment
For more information please visit: http://hrclinton.meetup.com/54/calendar/7709151/


Did you give this it's own thread???????????

I will e-mail my florida friends. Wonder if it will be broadcast in florida on the radio?
 
Yes, please post it as a separate thread. People need to know.
 
Here is a Lanny Davis (this guy's picture needs to be next to the word loyal in the dictionary) rebuttal to a recent article by Carl Bernstein:

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/...llary-and-differentiating-facts-from-opinion/


April 14, 2008
Lanny Davis’s View: The Carl Bernstein attack on Hillary, and differentiating facts from opinion
Posted: 06:54 PM ET

Editor’s Note: Lanny J. Davis, a Washington attorney, is a supporter of and fundraiser for Senator Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. From 1996 to 1998, he served as Special Counsel to President Bill Clinton. He is the author of “Scandal: How ‘Gotcha’ Politics is Destroying America.” In this commentary, he responds to an opinion piece by Carl Bernstein on the prospect of a Hillary Clinton presidency.

I really wanted to write a detailed rebuttal to Carl Bernstein’s extensive attack on Hillary Clinton on CNN.com. But try as I might, I could not.

(Carl and I have known each other and have been friends for many years, so I will call him “Carl”).

How does one respond to a what was largely a series of personal adjectives, character attacks, and vitriol — with few, if any, facts cited to back up those adjectives and part of an completely one-sided presentation?

Emblematic is Carl’s reference to “Whitewater” as one factual example of Hillary Clinton’s negative record while she was in the White House. Even Ken Starr and his successor could make no finding of wrongdoing against Hillary Clinton (or President Clinton) on Whitewater after years of investigations costing tens of millions of dollars. Carl forgot to mention that.

Numerous other examples of wrongdoing he cites during the her years in the White House are also devoid of any factual basis — even though they were the subject of many accusations and headlines, innuendo and TV punditry. None of them involving Mrs. Clinton stood the test of due process and a verdict based on the facts.

Similarly, Carl’s negative characterizations of Senator Clinton’s presidential campaign, such as “repugnant,” are entirely subjective without facts to back them up. I do find a lot of double standard in judging the Clinton vs. the Obama campaign tactics, as I will briefly describe below.

The best brief positive statement of what I believe are the facts about Hillary Clinton is this:

Ever since I knew her in law school during the late 1960s to the present day, she has been a progressive Democrat who supported and was often on the front lines of leadership in every major progressive Democratic Party cause in the last 40 years, from civil rights to human rights to women rights to children’s rights to public education to health care to economic justice and legal services for the poor to the environment to choice to worker’s rights and the minimum wage…I could go on and on. Those are facts. Undisputable facts omitted by Carl. And so is the fact that Hillary Clinton was with her husband on the front lines in the White House for eight years and participated in, consulted, or was party to many of her husband’s crucial foreign and domestic policy decisions of the successful two-term Clinton presidency.

As to Carl’s reference to her “repugnant” campaign, that’s a strong word among the many personal-attack words he used in his piece. But at the very least it should be clear that he uses a double standard in judging her and her campaign.

Two examples only should suffice:

First, Carl criticizes the Clinton campaign for being negative — “her Pavlovian resort to trench warfare…angry, demonizing….”

First, this is a baseless statement — he cannot cite an example of such a personal attack on Senator Obama by Senator Clinton. But Carl also omits any reference to the constant stream of personal attacks on Senator Clinton’s character and integrity from the Obama campaign, especially in recent months. In fact, in the summer of 2007, it was Senator Obama himself, who promised not to engage in such personal attacks, who began it all in a front page New York Times story, when he called Senator Clinton “untruthful and misleading.” That is the summer of 2007. And if you read that article, you will be hard-pressed to find a single factual example offered by Senator Obama of her untruthfulness.

Second, Carl refers critically to Senator Clinton’s vote for the war resolution in October 2002 (a vote joined in by 28 other Democratic Senators, such as Obama supporters John Kerry and Jay Rockefeller, whom Carl also forgot to mention in the piece).

But, as to Senator Obama’s record on that war vote, Carl omitted the fact that in 2004, when he was running for the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama was asked how he would have voted had he actually been a U.S. Senator. After saying he didn’t think that President Bush had made the case for war, Senator Obama went on to respond how he actually would have voted. His answer: “I don’t know.” This is the same candidate who based the core message of his entire campaign on criticizing Senator Clinton’s judgment at the time she voted for the same resolution.

Senator Obama also said in 2004 that he didn’t think there was “much difference” between himself and President Bush on the war.

But Carl omitted reference to those two facts concerning Senator Obama’s record on the war.

The obvious explanation for these and many other omissions by Carl is that this is a one-sided presentation by someone who clearly does not like Senator Clinton. Surprise.

For me, I admit my personal bias: I am strongly supporting Senator Clinton because I believe she is the more qualified and experienced of the two candidates. She is ready to be president from day one, in my opinion, more so as compared to Senator Obama. As to her personal and character qualities, the Hillary I know has integrity, is kind, funny, fair, caring, a great mom, and one of the best friends anyone could have. It is no coincidence that so many people who have known her for decades still admire and trust and respect and love her after all these years. And it is no surprise, to me at least, that so many Republican U.S. Senators have told me and many others that she is one of the nicest and easiest-to-work-with people in the Senate. (Carl gives her at least this much credit for being “widely commended by former skeptics in Congress and the press.”)

So this is my response to Carl Bernstein — who remains my hero during his Watergate reporting days and has been kind and generous to me personally through the years that I have known him:

You are entitled to your opinion. And I am entitled to mine. But at least we should both remind readers to know what is a fact and what are substantive issues versus what is an opinion and personal attack, and to appreciate the difference.

- Lanny J. Davis, former Clinton Lawyer
 
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