Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[Fitswimmer]

I think we all need to remember that our real opponent here is John McCain. (before you all freak-Tim posted this on the Obama thread too)

I've had issues with Hillary's campaign decisions, and I'm not lovin' Obama's preacher much either. However, what I dislike in both of them PALES in comparison to four more years of failed policies from a GW clone.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Man - this is starting to feel like how the Liberal thread was when I quit posting there. What's up?

I watched the speech and it was very good. It is just the kind of oratory that inspires without really answering anything or providing any direction. A real political speech. But it was soothing enough that those that still want to be placated - were.

But I would love to know - how many of those "cross-over" votes that have put him ahead in the delegate count, will still be voting for him in the general election? You know - the Regan democrats, the disillusioned military vote, etc...? Because I think many of them will now take that vote back in the GE. And because I do see him getting the nom, I see the dems losing the White House in 08. The image of Wright and the "God Damn America" combined with Obama's own words that he will not abandon Wright will come back with a vengence when he is up against the GOP. I totally see McCain winning.

What do ya think - maybe someone ought to tell Obama that HE should drop out of the race for the "good of the party"?

 

[punkin]

What do ya think - maybe someone ought to tell Obama that HE should drop out of the race for the "good of the party"?

I don't know. I am inclined to agree with you, but then I am a RABID Hillary supporter so maybe that's coloring my thinking. DH voted for Obama in the primary even though he also likes Hillary. I asked him if he thinks Obama is still electable and he honestly does not know. It is a hard call to make. I, personally think he is dead in the water should he get the nom. McCain will have him for lunch.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I don't know. I am inclined to agree with you, but then I am a RABID Hillary supporter so maybe that's coloring my thinking. DH voted for Obama in the primary even though he also likes Hillary. I asked him if he thinks Obama is still electable and he honestly does not know. It is a hard call to make. I, personally think he is dead in the water should he get the nom. McCain will have him for lunch.

McCain has plenty of his own issues that he'll be facing. He needs to stay away from religion bashing because of the attitudes of some of his endorsers-he can't throw Farahkan or Calvin Butts around while he has Hagee. He can't talk economics because he's already admitted he doesn't know anything about it. With the economy in or near a recession that is a HUGE handicap for him with independents. Then, of course, there's the war. I've already read a couple of articles about McCain that suggest that he's even more interested in war than Dick Cheney. He didn't think we bombed enough during the Vietnam war, he thought we should have gone further in Gulf War I and we know how he feels about Iran....

 

[kinntj]

Unfortunately, they are on this thread in droves as well.

I don't come on here as much as I would if Obama supporters wouldn't come on here and bash everything that's said about him on this thread. It's a Hillary supporters thread, so of course we'll say some things about her fellow dem candidate that might not be good. I don't want a Obama supporter to hash out every little thing that's said about him on here. Geesh.

I've been keeping up with the minister situation on the news and it's sad. It will definately hurt his campaign. I know I feel completely different about him now then I did before. I just don't buy it that he's a different kind of politician. He's the same ol same to me.

I watched last weeks speeches given by Michelle Obama and Bill Clinton and they were so completely different. I didn't like her speech at all. It was all about the Man Obama and nothing about what's going to happen to this nation. I know most would say that those speeches should be left to the cadidates themselves, but I don't agree with that. Bill was rolling out the plans in greater detail about enviroment issues, education and the such. I felt moved by what Hillary Clinton would do for our country.

If it came down to Obama and McCain, I wouldn't know who I would vote for now. The idea of McCain in office and the idea of being in War forever makes me sick to my stomach.

That's enough of my long winded banter today. Go on with your talk.

 

[Hound 109]

First Lady does not equate political experience, but I bet she can do a bang up job having a luncheon or picking the White House Christmas theme. I mean come on,Obama has as much experience as Bill Clinton when he entered the White House. Please, last week she wanted Obama for VP.

Don't know much about the black church eh, so let's call it "strange and racist," sounds pretty intolerant to me.

She had exposure as first lady, she has shown leadership & experience as a Senator since 01. BO was a junior STATE senator as late as 2004.

Bill had experience as a chief executive of a State.

What i viewed on TV last week (in that church) defines racism...& given the church is located in the US & had children in the pews, I would call it (the church) very "strange". Calling me intolerant for coming to that conclusion is a stretch (& inaccurate).

 

[MyManGoofy!]

McCain has plenty of his own issues that he'll be facing. He needs to stay away from religion bashing because of the attitudes of some of his endorsers-he can't throw Farahkan or Calvin Butts around while he has Hagee. He can't talk economics because he's already admitted he doesn't know anything about it. With the economy in or near a recession that is a HUGE handicap for him with independents. Then, of course, there's the war. I've already read a couple of articles about McCain that suggest that he's even more interested in war than Dick Cheney. He didn't think we bombed enough during the Vietnam war, he thought we should have gone further in Gulf War I and we know how he feels about Iran....

So you are saying that McCain's relationship (whatever that may or may not entail) with Hagee is inexcusable?

 

[jacksonsmom]

What do ya think - maybe someone ought to tell Obama that HE should drop out of the race for the "good of the party"?

I agree --- what I do not understand are Obama supporters that blinded by him to really honestly think Obama can beat McCain in the general election?
If I were an Obama supporter I think all this recent stuff would worry me about his chances.

I DO think Obama should drop out for the good of the party. He is dividing this party more then ever before. I will not vote in the Democrat for the first time in my voting life if Obama gets the Nom. I have never felt that strongly against a candidate then I do Obama.

I will admit as a Clinton supporter it isn't an open and close case against McCain. I will admit it will be a struggle to beat him, but I can admit that. I see Obama supporters think Obama will win hands down. There is NO way Obama will win the general election.
Most Americans really aren't paying that close attention to the election right now, come October/November you bet they will and those lovely Rev. Wright videos saying "God D@mn America" will be on the TV again!
Not to mention McCain will eat Obama alive in the debates --- Obama knows how to give speeches, but he is not a very good debater.

I just hope the Supers vote with their smarts rotfl: ) and realize there is no way Obama can win a general election and put their support behind Clinton.
I am afraid though that the Supers will be afraid to be thought or look at as being rasict so their vote will go to Obama.
If that happens we should just save a lot of money and give the keys to the White House to John McCain.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

I agree --- what I do not understand are Obama supporters that blinded by him to really honestly think Obama can beat McCain in the general election?
If I were an Obama supporter I think all this recent stuff would worry me about his chances.

I DO think Obama should drop out for the good of the party. He is dividing this party more then ever before. I will not vote in the Democrat for the first time in my voting life if Obama gets the Nom. I have never felt that strongly against a candidate then I do Obama.

I will admit as a Clinton support it isn't an open and close case against McCain. I will admit it will be a struggle to beat him, but I can admit that. I see Obama supporters think Obama will win hands down. There is NO way Obama will win the general election.
Most Americans really aren't paying that close attention to the election right now, come October/November you bet they will and those lovely Rev. Wright videos saying "God D@mn America" will be on the TV again!
Not to mention McCain will eat Obama alive in the debates --- Obama knows how to give speeches, but he is not a very good debater.

I just hope the Supers vote with their smarts rotfl: ) and realize there is no way Obama can win a general election and put their support behind Clinton.
I am afraid though that the Supers will be afraid to be thought or look at as being rasict so their vote will go to Obama.
If that happens we should just save a lot of money and give the keys to the White House to John McCain.

I think we could do a lot to start working on getting more dems in the House and Senate. All that stuff that is thrown at us to keep us in fear of Obama losing can be fixed with a strong majority in Congress.

SCOTUS noms? Prolonged war in Iraq or going into another war? Economy? A strong majority can prevent that. So while I do not necessarily want to see McCain in the WH - it is not the scary boogy man that some would believe.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

I DO think Obama should drop out for the good of the party. He is dividing this party more then ever before. I will not vote in the Democrat for the first time in my voting life if Obama gets the Nom. I have never felt that strongly against a candidate then I do Obama.

But, but, but didn't you read or hear his speech????

Just a prediction, but for the most part people who were firmly in his camp liked his speech, people in someone else's didn't and people on the fence are going to be looking for more information. This isn't going to 'go away'.

I'd personally prefer a Q&A with reporters where he can answer which statements he agreed with, which he didn't, when he heard them or of them, etc.

 

[chobie]

I think we could do a lot to start working on getting more dems in the House and Senate. All that stuff that is thrown at us to keep us in fear of Obama losing can be fixed with a strong majority in Congress.

SCOTUS noms? Prolonged war in Iraq or going into another war? Economy? A strong majority can prevent that. So while I do not necessarily want to see McCain in the WH - it is not the scary boogy man that some would believe.

Yes, except there is that little thing called the "veto" which President McCain could make good use of to keep any liberal policies from being made into law.

You're right in that a Democratic Congress can keep some of the bad things from happening, but a Republican president can keep the good things from happening.

If you want to put all your eggs in the basket of having enough majority in the house and senate to overrule, then do so.

I'm not taking that chance for my children. I'll vote Democrat no matter who gets the nomination and no matter what stupid thing is said by them or their campaigners between then and now.

 

[Fitswimmer]

So you are saying that McCain's relationship (whatever that may or may not entail) with Hagee is inexcusable?

I think McCain will have trouble commenting on endorsements others have received without getting his endorsements thrown back in his face.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Yes, except there is that little thing called the "veto" which President McCain could make good use of to keep any liberal policies from being made into law.

You're right in that a Democratic Congress can keep some of the bad things from happening, but a Republican president can keep the good things from happening.

If you want to put all your eggs in the basket of having enough majority in the house and senate to overrule, then do so.

I'm not taking that chance for my children. I'll vote Democrat no matter who gets the nomination and no matter what stupid thing is said by them or their campaigners between then and now.

Me too, and I don't even have kids....

 

[MyManGoofy!]

I think McCain will have trouble commenting on endorsements others have received without getting his endorsements thrown back in his face.

Nice side step. My question was:

So you are saying that McCain's relationship (whatever that may or may not entail) with Hagee is inexcusable?

 

[Fitswimmer]

Nice side step. My question was:

No, I don't. but then I've stated quite plainly many times that I could care less what church a candidate goes to, doesn't go to or is affiliated with. My interest in a Presidential candidate is confined to the economy, foreign and domestic policy.

 

[WildernessBride]

She had exposure as first lady, she has shown leadership & experience as a Senator since 01. BO was a junior STATE senator as late as 2004.

Bill had experience as a chief executive of a State.

What i viewed on TV last week (in that church) defines racism...& given the church is located in the US & had children in the pews, I would call it (the church) very "strange". Calling me intolerant for coming to that conclusion is a stretch (& inaccurate).

I will say that I was wrong to come to the intolerant conclusion. I just felt that in Obama's speech he alluded to what black churches are like and perhaps to you it is "strange" because it is very different from a lot of Christian churches. Many churches, white and black, preach politics from the pulpit, Wright was "exposed" because of the national spotlight on Obama. I just felt as if you were equating "different than my church" with wrong. Sorry!

 

[punkin]

Yes, except there is that little thing called the "veto" which President McCain could make good use of to keep any liberal policies from being made into law.

You're right in that a Democratic Congress can keep some of the bad things from happening, but a Republican president can keep the good things from happening.

If you want to put all your eggs in the basket of having enough majority in the house and senate to overrule, then do so.

I'm not taking that chance for my children. I'll vote Democrat no matter who gets the nomination and no matter what stupid thing is said by them or their campaigners between then and now.

I don't know who I am going to vote for right now, should Obama get the nom. Last week I would have agreed with you, but this Wright thing really bothers me. "God D@mn America" really bothers me and I can see it playing again and again on the TV commercials in the General. If it bothers me (a die hard liberal) so much, imagine how the independents who voted for Bush are going to react.

I think we may have to hope and work for a veto-proof Congress.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

No, I don't. but then I've stated quite plainly many times that I could care less what church a candidate goes to, doesn't go to or is affiliated with. My interest in a Presidential candidate is confined to the economy, foreign and domestic policy.

Ok - so long as you are consistent. I see there are many Obama supporters that are not. They defend Obama's long time relationship with Wright while at the same time denouncing the lesser ties McCain has with Hagee and others.

I do not like either situation. But if you are gonna try and call out McCain for Hagee - you better step up and call out Obama for Wright. To do otherwise is hypocritical, in my opinion.

 

[Missy1961]

Yes, except there is that little thing called the "veto" which President McCain could make good use of to keep any liberal policies from being made into law.

You're right in that a Democratic Congress can keep some of the bad things from happening, but a Republican president can keep the good things from happening.

If you want to put all your eggs in the basket of having enough majority in the house and senate to overrule, then do so.

I'm not taking that chance for my children. I'll vote Democrat no matter who gets the nomination and no matter what stupid thing is said by them or their campaigners between then and now.

Me too, and I don't even have kids....

me three, and like Fits, I don't have kids. But I have nieces & nephews & I worry about the kind of world we're leaving them.

 

[lilyv]

Ok - so long as you are consistent. I see there are many Obama supporters that are not. They defend Obama's long time relationship with Wright while at the same time denouncing the lesser ties McCain has with Hagee and others.

I do not like either situation. But if you are gonna try and call out McCain for Hagee - you better step up and call out Obama for Wright. To do otherwise is hypocritical, in my opinion.

You might look carefully at Fitswimmer's posts...there is a Hillary sign at the bottom, among others.