Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

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I think it's almost done. Hillary is my first choice but it's time to start getting behing Obama methinks.:cheer2:

I only hope that the smug perception I get from Obama is only that, perception and that he truly does have the substance and thick skin necessary to lead.

I am still hopeful for Barrack because when Bill was first elected, although I voted for him, I did not like him. He was such a ... Politician. But, IMO, his true colors shone through and he was a great President. Now I believed Hillary too would be a great President given that her mold would have to undoubtedly be cut from the same cloth as Bill but it appears we'll never know.:sad1:

Barrack had better be wise with his VP choice and had better get prepared for what Rove will throw out because I'm sure he'll be at McCain's side soon.:scared1:
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I think I will wait until the results come in from Ohio and PA before I jump on the Obama bandwagon. I hope (I really do) that I am wrong in my assessment of him because I will be voting for him if he gets the nod no matter what my personal gut feelings are.

As far as Rove - I think Obama's people are in for a rude awakening if they think what Hillary has been doing wasn't fair. Wait 'till the master gets at them. I am also hopeful that Americans are so fed up with Bush and his cronies, that anything Rove tries to throw, just won't stick this time.
 
wvrevy, please don't take this the wrong way, but you are acting like a troll.
You are like a little kid - nyah nyah we won you lost.

Any chance you get to sing the praises of Senator Obama, you are there.
I haven't seen New Jersey or Honu on this thread, but here you are.

I understand that you are happy. Senator Obama ran a highly spirited campaign, but soon the real work starts.

Don't get me wrong, I'll support Senator Obama in the general election,but I need answers not just "hope and and change".
Hopefully, you and the other Obama supporters can show me the light.

Meanwhile, let us cry in our beers:sad1:

Michael

I refuse to go crying anywhere. It's not over, Hillary hasn't given up yet and I don't see why any of us should either.

I am not willing to give my support to Obama yet either and it's going to take a lot more than a lot of people spewing hot air and hope to get me on his side.
 
Ah, but there's the rub. You have bit in the past. You've accused us of needing to be spoonfed info that we could just go look up in his book or on his website. I already know what he wants to do. I just don't see exactly how he plans to do it. Why the sudden change of heart? Before you made fun of us and now you want to be our friend? That's a tough pill to swallow.

Yeah, I'll vote for Obama IF Hillary loses. But at this point I'll be voting against McCain. I really like Obama, but all the Hillary bashing from Obama's followers (not from the man himself) has left a bitter taste in my mouth. I'm tired of being treated like I'm stupid for making the choice I made, when both are good candidates. Obama may be the best candidate, but he still hasn't made me comfortable with him. Maybe future debates will sell me.:confused3 I hope he can.

I came over here in the spirit of reconciliation, because as I stated many times, we are all on the same side when it comes to putting a Democrat in office.

As for the comments about "doing your homework" and that kind of thing, it was out of frustration with the attacks towards him that he didn't have any substance. As I said then, the information is out there and very easily accessible. Also, it turned out that the criticism has changed the way he does his stump speech, so that he is now directly addressing the "details" everyone says they want, and that is to his benefit, in my opinion.

I'll leave you guys to your thread now. Again, I apologize if anyone thought I was just trying to rub it in.
 
While it's not impossible that she can manage that, I just don't think it's very likely, and neither does anyone else outside of her campaign. Again, I'm not trying to rub anything in or gloat...just stating the facts as they are right now.

Here's another fact for you .... It's. Not. Over. The race has not been called, no one has conceded.

How am I acting like a troll? Did I come on here bragging about the margin of victory, trashing Hillary, or anything of the sort? :confused3 For crying out loud...all I've said is that she ran a tough campaign and that you should all be proud of having supported her. What exactly is "troll-like" about that? :confused3

Again ... Because. it's. not. over. It's insulting and condesending. Especially since this thread was established has a place for our "team" to support each other.
Would you go to the opposing team's sideline at a football game and say "gee sorry good game" when there was still 5 minutes left to play and the team was still on the field fighting their hearts out? It's offensive.

Ah, but there's the rub. You have bit in the past. You've accused us of needing to be spoonfed info that we could just go look up in his book or on his website. I already know what he wants to do. I just don't see exactly how he plans to do it. Why the sudden change of heart? Before you made fun of us and now you want to be our friend? That's a tough pill to swallow.


Exactly MP! I'll tell you the truth wvrevy I started this race fine with all three candidates . Either one was okey dokey with me. But you and a few other Obama supporters on this board have been so obnoxious and condesending about his campaign that it began to really turn me off. Between you and my growing discomfort over his lack of details - I can't stand him. Yes, I will vote for him if he gets the nom. But only because I think anything short of a rabid dog is better then McCain.

If you think that your support has done Obama any favors think again. Your guy may just become president, but this kind of "support" is going to shred whats left of the Democratic party.
 

Here's another fact for you .... It's. Not. Over. The race has not been called, no one has conceded.



Again ... Because. it's. not. over. It's insulting and condesending. Especially since this thread was established has a place for our "team" to support each other.
Would you go to the opposing team's sideline at a football game and say "gee sorry good game" when there was still 5 minutes left to play and the team was still on the field fighting their hearts out? It's offensive.




Exactly MP! I'll tell you the truth wvrevy I started this race fine with all three candidates . Either one was okey dokey with me. But you and a few other Obama supporters on this board have been so obnoxious and condesending about his campaign that it began to really turn me off. Between you and my growing discomfort over his lack of details - I can't stand him. Yes, I will vote for him if he gets the nom. But only because I think anything short of a rabid dog is better then McCain.

If you think that your support has done Obama any favors think again. Your guy may just become president, but this kind of "support" is going to shred whats left of the Democratic party.

Kiki....I would invite you to come over and repost on the liberal thread, and I'll answer this there, rather than go further towards alienating everyone on this thread by responding.
 
Exactly MP! I'll tell you the truth wvrevy I started this race fine with all three candidates . Either one was okey dokey with me. But you and a few other Obama supporters on this board have been so obnoxious and condesending about his campaign that it began to really turn me off. Between you and my growing discomfort over his lack of details - I can't stand him. Yes, I will vote for him if he gets the nom. But only because I think anything short of a rabid dog is better then McCain.

I agree completely, except I think I would rather a rabid dog than McCain.
 
The thing is that even though I'll admit that things aren't looking good, I'm not willing to call it yet. Hillary is still fighting, so I'm standing behind her for now.

Obama supporters, put yourself in our shoes. If things were not going well for you and we did the same....how would you feel? I think you'd be quick to tell us it was not over and you'd say we had some nerve, etc.

To come here (on the heels of criticism of us) to make friends...well to put it bluntly it seems like your rubbing our noses in it. It also feels like you're recruiting us to jump ship and join your team. I'm not there yet. Maybe the feeling was sincere, but the timing was definitely off. Especially if you take into account your past posts.

Don't worry. Most of us will back your man in the end if he gets the nod. Just don't shove it down our throats when we're not done.
 
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Kiki....I would invite you to come over and repost on the liberal thread, and I'll answer this there, rather than go further towards alienating everyone on this thread by responding.

No thanks. I suspect it would just be an exercise in futility.
 
I said this about two weeks ago. Obama gives me an uncomfortable feeling of deja vu. It feels like 2000 all over again when the press and voters were fawning all over Bush. No one could answer then why he was so wonderful or what he was going to do. And yes he does seem more and more cocky every day. I was over and my sister's last night and forced to watch Faux news (My sister's one of that 30% that still loves Bush. I'm so ashamed) Anyhoo, they were making mincemeat of Michelle Obama over her "I've never been this proud..." statement. One thing that gives me hope is that the spotlight is really going to be on them and I don't think they can survive.


I haven't given up on Hillary but I admit I'm getting very nervous and kinda disappointed. Nervous, because it really is getting to crunch time. If she doesn't turn t around soon, it will be over. And I'm disppointed because I do not understand how she's running her race. Texas is now huge in this - where is she? Obama has been all over the state. He's right down the road from me today and will be speaking to thousands. She's going to lose all traction in Tx. It feels like she's taking it for granted.

I was wondering the same thing. I know she was in Ohio last night, I felt she should have been in Texas having a rally right there with him. Maybe there are plans for her to be in Texas this week after the debate. I will check her web site:thumbsup2

Hi,

I have not posted on the dis in a long time but checked in today and saw this thread. I live in Lubbock Texas, I am an independent voter who after listening to all of the debates am supporting Hillary. Bill Clinton came to Lubock High School last Saturday night. Thousands of people lined up to see him even though there was only 1,700 seats available. My husband and I also lined up in the cold to see him. My husband is a republican but wanted to please his wife haha. Anyway we did not get in but we were taken to an overflow area where they set up speakers so we could at least hear his speech. When he was done speaking he exited where we were, I got to shake his hand, the crowd was screaming Hillary. I am not kiddding when I say thousands were turned away. This was not reported by the media. When we went home that night even my husband was amazed that our local networks barely gave it a mention. So people keep your hopes up for Texas, noone tells us Texans what to do, certainly not the media!

I donated more money to her campaign today. So As far as I am concerned she is not out till she says she is.:thumbsup2

You know I'm going to take the high road and assume that you really do have the best of intentions. But do you really think this is appropriate? It's not over. And no one in this thread is giving up. Neither is Hillary.

I agree.

I agree completely, except I think I would rather a rabid dog than McCain.

:rotfl2: :rotfl2:

WV sorry that we are having trouble with your saying that you are sorry for any hard feelings but it is hard to believe after crying wolf so much. It does sound as of you came here to rub out noses in it and also to gloat(sp)you may not be but we do hold a question mark over our heads:confused:
 
Again ... Because. it's. not. over. It's insulting and condesending. Especially since this thread was established has a place for our "team" to support each other.
Would you go to the opposing team's sideline at a football game and say "gee sorry good game" when there was still 5 minutes left to play and the team was still on the field fighting their hearts out? It's offensive.

What was the score of the Giants-Patriots Super Bowl with less than 3 minutes to go? ;)
 
This was posted on the conservative thread by a new poster.....wondering if this is happening all over :confused3 .................

I have a question... I am here in Texas and our primary is just around the corner. I have heard of Republicans asking us Texans to vote for Obama in our primary to take away from the Hillary vote.

What do y'all think of that? I am really not sure about that advice. I really don't think I can pull the level for Obama! :eek: And, if enough do it, then it could give the Huckster more of a percentage than he should get.

So, I was wondering what other Republicans thought about it....
 
I hate it when people play games with their votes. :rolleyes:

So I'm a bit out of touch. Been really busy lately. Just when is the debate?

Oops, I'm lazy. I know I can look it up. I just thought one of my friends would know.
 
Who cares what the Republicans do with their votes? They can vote for whoever they want. It really won't matter because not enough of them will do it and their vote will just be wasted.
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";23329922]This was posted on the conservative thread by a new poster.....wondering if this is happening all over :confused3 .................

I have a question... I am here in Texas and our primary is just around the corner. I have heard of Republicans asking us Texans to vote for Obama in our primary to take away from the Hillary vote.

What do y'all think of that? I am really not sure about that advice. I really don't think I can pull the level for Obama! :eek: And, if enough do it, then it could give the Huckster more of a percentage than he should get.

So, I was wondering what other Republicans thought about it....[/QUOTE]

It already HAS happened all over. Many states allow independents and republicans that switch over on the day of the election...... Obama was originally propelled by those voters. That's why all those caucuses were ill-prepared to handle the onslaught.

I was so happy in NJ - if you were previously registered a republican - you had to formally switch 6 weeks before in order to vote in the DEMOCRATIC primary...........

To be fair - one blog - the dailyKOS (when I still read it) encouraged Dems in Michigan to vote for Romney to keep him in the race there - as they felt the Michigan Democratic vote didn't count.

I hope the DNC attempts to make these primary elections more fair in the future.......
 
The thing is that even though I'll admit that things aren't looking good, I'm not willing to call it yet. Hillary is still fighting, so I'm standing behind her for now.

Obama supporters, put yourself in our shoes. If things were not going well for you and we did the same....how would you feel? I think you'd be quick to tell us it was not over and you'd say we had some nerve, etc.

To come here (on the heels of criticism of us) to make friends...well to put it bluntly it seems like your rubbing our noses in it. It also feels like you're recruiting us to jump ship and join your team. I'm not there yet. Maybe the feeling was sincere, but the timing was definitely off. Especially if you take into account your past posts.

Don't worry. Most of us will back your man in the end if he gets the nod. Just don't shove it down our throats when we're not done.

Here Here!!!

I hereby pledge to vote for Obama in November if he is the nominee. I hereby also pledge not to drink the kool-aid or give any money to his well oiled campaign (Kerry got $100 out of me in 2004 and look where that got me).

He will have to SHOW ME how "He and others CAN." And you know - the media - his best friends now - will be holding him to all those promises......
 
Please show this opinion piece to any fence-sitters in TX, OH and PA:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/the_obama_delusion.html

The Obama Delusion
By Robert Samuelson

WASHINGTON -- It's hard not to be dazzled by Barack Obama. At the 2004 Democratic convention, he visited with Newsweek reporters and editors, including me. I came away deeply impressed by his intelligence, his forceful language and his apparent willingness to take positions that seemed to rise above narrow partisanship. Obama has become the Democratic presidential front-runner, precisely because countless millions have formed a similar opinion. It is, I now think, mistaken.

As a journalist, I harbor serious doubt about each of the likely nominees. But with Sens. Hillary Clinton and John McCain, I feel that I'm dealing with known quantities. They've been in the public arena for years; their views, values and temperaments have received enormous scrutiny. By contrast, newcomer Obama is largely a stage presence defined mostly by his powerful rhetoric. The trouble, at least for me, is the huge and deceptive gap between his captivating oratory and his actual views.

The subtext of Obama's campaign is that his own life narrative -- to become the first African-American president, a huge milestone in the nation's journey from slavery -- can serve as a metaphor for other political stalemates. Great impasses can be broken with sufficient good will, intelligence and energy. "It's not about rich versus poor; young versus old; and it is not about black versus white," he says. Along with millions of others, I find this a powerful appeal.

But on inspection, the metaphor is a mirage. Repudiating racism is not a magic cure-all for the nation's ills. It requires independent ideas, and Obama has few. If you examine his agenda, it is completely ordinary, highly partisan, not candid and mostly unresponsive to many pressing national problems.

By Obama's own moral standards, Obama fails. Americans "are tired of hearing promises made and 10-point plans proposed in the heat of a campaign only to have nothing change," he recently said. Shortly thereafter, he outlined an economic plan of at least 12 points that, among other things, would:

-- Provide a $1,000 tax cut for most two-earner families ($500 for singles).

-- Create a $4,000 refundable tuition tax credit for every year of college.

-- Expand the child care tax credit for people earning less than $50,000 and "double spending on quality after-school programs."

-- Enact an "energy plan" that would invest $150 billion in 10 years to create a "green energy sector."

Whatever one thinks of these ideas, they're standard goodie-bag politics: something for everyone. They're so similar to many Clinton proposals that her campaign put out a news release accusing him of plagiarizing. With existing budget deficits and the costs of Obama's "universal health plan," the odds of enacting his full package are slim.

A favorite Obama line is that he will tell "the American people not just what they want to hear, but what we need to know." Well, he hasn't so far.

Consider the retiring baby boomers. A truth-telling Obama might say: "Spending for retirees -- mainly Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid -- is already nearly half the federal budget. Unless we curb these rising costs, we will crush our children with higher taxes. Reflecting longer life expectancies, we should gradually raise the eligibility ages for these programs and trim benefits for wealthier retirees. Both Democrats and Republicans are to blame for inaction. Waiting longer will only worsen the problem."

Instead, Obama pledges not to raise the retirement age and to "protect Social Security benefits for current and future beneficiaries." This isn't "change"; it's sanctification of the status quo. He would also exempt all retirees making less than $50,000 annually from income tax. By his math, that would provide average tax relief of $1,400 to 7 million retirees -- shifting more of the tax burden onto younger workers. Obama's main proposal for Social Security is to raise the payroll tax beyond the present $102,000 ceiling.

Political candidates routinely indulge in exaggeration, pandering, inconsistency and self-serving obscurity. Clinton and McCain do. The reason for holding Obama to a higher standard is that it's his standard and also his campaign's central theme. He has run on the vague promise of "change," but on issue after issue -- immigration, the economy, global warming -- he has offered boilerplate policies that evade the underlying causes of the stalemates. These issues remain contentious because they involve real conflicts or differences of opinion.

The contrast between his broad rhetoric and his narrow agenda is stark, and yet the press corps -- preoccupied with the political "horse race" -- has treated his invocation of "change" as a serious idea rather than a shallow campaign slogan. He seems to have hypnotized much of the media and the public with his eloquence and the symbolism of his life story. The result is a mass delusion that Obama is forthrightly engaging the nation's major problems when, so far, he isn't.
 
Keep the good thoughts up!

Despite the media whoopla surrounding Obama...IN ALL REALITY he only has 69 more delegates than Hillary, and LOTS more states still to vote.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/

And Obama has only totalled 308,082 more votes than Clinton. This dont even equate to 1% of total voters.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D.phtml

It aint over till it's OVER! This is still a very, very, very, close election...make No mistake about that.:goodvibes
 
Keep the good thoughts up!

Despite the media whoopla surrounding Obama...IN ALL REALITY he only has 69 more delegates than Hillary, and LOTS more states still to vote.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/

And Obama has only totalled 308,082 more votes than Clinton. This dont even equate to 1% of total voters.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D.phtml

It aint over till it's OVER! This is still a very, very, very, close election...make No mistake about that.:goodvibes

Thanks for that!

I'm giving Hillary until Texas & Ohio. I think if she loses either of these - if I were her adviser, I'd advise her to concede for the good of the party. Maybe I'll give her til PA if she wins one.......

Seriously - I don't think McCain can beat Obama in a speechifying contest - but the Republican machine will ridicule any misstep. Look what they've done to Mrs. Obama already... Reminds me of how they ridiculed Mrs Kerry. It pissed me off then - it will annoy me again - I am sure.

I am still holding out hope. But I'm also the pessimist......
 
Thanks for that!

I'm giving Hillary until Texas & Ohio. I think if she loses either of these - if I were her adviser, I'd advise her to concede for the good of the party. Maybe I'll give her til PA if she wins one.......

Maybe not Texas, but definitely Ohio. If she takes both Ohio and PA, there is still a change. Texas will be iffy. As long as she makes a good showing there, I don't think she'll have to win. Of course I don't keep the running delegate count in my head like some people on this thread do. ;)
 
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