Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[chobie]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23553204]Here in San Diego most of my Military friends say they will vote Hillary if not McCain and a few Obamas....Also Dh sells Tool and equipment all through the US and most of his accounts are Military. He has been asking them how they feel about McCain and the 100 years and they have said for the most part that they will stay in if that is what it takes to win, however they don't agree with him on 100 years

He has also asked if they were to vote for one of the 3 candidates who are they choosing and why ...Dh has said that the remarks were well they want McCain but will vote for Hillary NOT Obama because they feel that if Obama gets in he will pull out just because he says it in his campaign and that he has been apposed of the war all along and that scares them when it comes to the protection of this country, they feel he will bring us more 9/11...

Where they believe if Hillary gets in and sees that they are winning than she is more apt to change her decision not to stay but do it more slower than Obama. They want out but not at the expense of the soldiers lives lost or the loosing of this war. They agree that "Yes" Hillary will for sure pull out but not to make a point like Obama will...it will be because at that time it is the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]

Don't you think, though, that any military people who don't agree with Obama just pulling out, would vote for McCain either way? They may feel a bit more secure if Hillary should win, but they are not going to help her win for the most part are they?

 

["Got Disney"]

Don't you think, though, that any military people who don't agree with Obama just pulling out, would vote for McCain either way? They may feel a bit more secure if Hillary should win, but they are not going to help her win for the most part are they?

No because they are not agreeing with the 100 year message. That seems to be the only issue they have with McCain. Would make sense if I were a soldier that I would not want to stay in Iraq either for 100 years,

and don't get your last sentence could you explain it a little better so my fat head can understand it

It is said that McCain's statement was taken out of context (sp) that he meant that if it took that long, that is how long it takes...but I disagree with that mostly since Bush wants to sigh us up for 100 years there and McCain is in agreeance with that.

 

[JARNJ3]

An interesting article about Gloria Steinem:

http://www.observer.com/2008/stumping-clinton-steinem-says-mccains-p-o-w-cred-overrated

AUSTIN, Texas—Feminist icon Gloria Steinem took to the stump on Hillary Clinton’s behalf here last night and quickly proved that she has lost none of her taste for provocation.

From the stage, the 73-year-old seemed to denigrate the importance of John McCain’s time as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. In an interview with the Observer afterward, she suggested that Barack Obama benefits—and Clinton suffers—because Americans view racism more seriously than sexism.

Steinem also told the crowd that one reason to back Clinton was because “she actually enjoys conflict.”

And she claimed that if Clinton’s experience as First Lady were taken seriously in relation to her White House bid, people might “finally admit that, say, being a secretary is the best way to learn your boss’s job and take it over.”

Steinem raised McCain’s Vietnam imprisonment as she sought to highlight an alleged gender-based media bias against Clinton.

“Suppose John McCain had been Joan McCain and Joan McCain had got captured, shot down and been a POW for eight years. [The media would ask], ‘What did you do wrong to get captured? What terrible things did you do while you were there as a captive for eight years?’” Steinem said, to laughter from the audience.

McCain was, in fact, a prisoner of war for around five-and-a-half years, during which time he was tortured repeatedly. Referring to his time in captivity, Steinem said with bewilderment, “I mean, hello? This is supposed to be a qualification to be president? I don’t think so.”

Steinem’s broader argument was that the media and the political world are too admiring of militarism in all its guises.

“I am so grateful that she [Clinton] hasn’t been trained to kill anybody. And she probably didn’t even play war games as a kid. It’s a great relief from Bush in his jump suit and from Kerry saluting.”

To the Observer, Steinem insisted that “from George Washington to Jack Kennedy and PT-109 we have behaved as if killing people is a qualification for ruling people.”

Other Clinton proxies, notably Black Entertainment Television founder Bob Johnson and a New Hampshire campaign chair, Billy Shaheen, have generated controversies with their criticisms of Obama. By contrast, Steinem told me the Illinois senator was “an intelligent, well-intentioned person.” She added: “I would like very much to see him be president for eight years after Hillary has been president for eight years.”

But she also opined that “a majority of Americans want redemption for racism, for our terrible destructive racist past and so see a vote for Obama as redemptive.” Then, using a term for the mass killing of women, she added, “I don’t think as many want redemption for the gynocide.”

“They acknowledge racism—not enough, but somewhat,” Steinem continued. “They would probably be less likely to acknowledge that the most likely way a pregnant woman is to die is murder from her male partner. There are six million female lives lost in the world every year simply because they are female.”

Steinem has been a Clinton supporter for several years—even though, as she reminded me, she protested against Bill Clinton’s welfare reforms outside the White House. Her support for the former First Lady has become more high-profile of late. She penned a January op-ed for the New York Times backing Clinton and asserting that “gender is probably the most restricting force in American life.” She was also one of the women’s rights activists who signed a February 15 letter published on the Huffington Post that insisted, “It’s time for feminists to say that Senator Obama has no monopoly on inspiration.”

Yesterday’s event, billed by the Clinton campaign as “One Million for Hillary with Gloria Steinem,” was one of several appearances scheduled for the veteran feminist across Texas as Tuesday’s primary looms. It was held in a downtown music venue and was attended by around 200 people, the vast majority of whom were women. Before Steinem spoke, two Clinton campaign ads focusing on female support were shown, to applause.

In her speech, Steinem argued that there was a major sexist component to the murmurs from some quarters suggesting Clinton should abandon her presidential quest.

There is, she said, “a great deal of pressure at play for her to act like her gender and give in.” Several shouts of “No!” came from the crowd. Steinem went on: “It’s a way of reinforcing the gender roles, right? Men are loved if they win and Hillary is loved if she loses…But maybe we shouldn’t be so afraid of an open convention that actually decides something. After all, it was an open convention in New York City that gave us Abraham Lincoln.”

Steinem’s speech offered, Letterman-style, ten reasons why she was supporting Hillary. Most were serious, though one of the more flippant was “We get Bill Clinton as Eleanor Roosevelt.”

Steinem, like any good politician, also made sure to praise her surroundings. True to her own spirit, though, she did so in less decorous terms than any candidate for office would dare.

Other than Austin, she said, “there is no community in the whole world that understands how to include everybody, how to be serious and have a good time at the same time, how to be fan-f*ing-tastic” quite so well.

UPDATE: The Clinton campaign sends over the following statement from Howard Wolfson: "Senator Clinton has repeatedly praised Senator McCain's courage and service to our country. These comments certainly do not represent her thinking in any way. Senator Clinton intends to have a respectful debate with Senator McCain on the issues."

 

["Got Disney"]

I agree with your bold statements....not with all she says however but that I do.
I was listening to the news earlier today and the DNC chairman was talking and he said that if the tax payers are willing ( and they are according to the statement) than the DNC will again do the primaries over for Florida and MI. He said that the voters are not the ones that should be blamed for the whole fiasco.

He said a big issue is the money to do it so it would be up to the voters to pay for it...that does not seem to fair IMO....

So my question is if this Tuesday does not go well will Hillary wait it out or better yet...should she????? Guess we will have to see how many7 delegates she pulls out from all the states. So what if she looses them but still remains close to the delegates?

I believe if she does not win at least 2 of them than she should concede.... I don't know if i am ready for the Obama rama in my life..at least not yet anyway. I will vote for him however.

 

[Hound 109]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23559422]I agree with your bold statements....not with all she says however but that I do.
I was listening to the news earlier today and the DNC chairman was talking and he said that if the tax payers are willing ( and they are according to the statement) than the DNC will again do the primaries over for Florida and MI. He said that the voters are not the ones that should be blamed for the whole fiasco.

He said a big issue is the money to do it so it would be up to the voters to pay for it...that does not seem to fair IMO....

So my question is if this Tuesday does not go well will Hillary wait it out or better yet...should she????? Guess we will have to see how many7 delegates she pulls out from all the states. So what if she looses them but still remains close to the delegates?

I believe if she does not win at least 2 of them than she should concede.... I don't know if i am ready for the Obama rama in my life..at least not yet anyway. I will vote for him however.[/QUOTE]

The "do over" topic is also being discussed on the "liberal" thread. Better now than in 4 days.....but i wished they had decided to do one 3 weeks ago.

 

["Got Disney"]

The "do over" topic is also being discussed on the "liberal" thread. Better now than in 4 days.....but i wished they had decided to do one 3 weeks ago.

I agree because it will be said that it was changed due to Hillary complaining. In addition if they had done it back a few weeks ago we could be looking at a different outcome at this point. That really messed everything up.

I read the liberal thread but no longer post there due to there was a lot of dislike for Hillary and we were all going back and forth between who's' candidate was the better choice to get the nod. So I left. And started this thread

 

[KikiFan]

Today my daughter and I came across a group of Hillary volunteers by the side of the road with lots and lots of signs. We stopped for a bit - mainly because someone stole my sign from my yard and I was hoping to get another one. We ended up hanging out for a while and helping out. It was really a great experience, especially for my 12 year old. She was helping with the "honk for Hillary" sign. It thrilled her to no end, each time someone honked. And there a pretty good number of honks.

One of the volunteers was here from New York, on her own dime, because she believed so strongly. It was really encouraging to see so much excitement and devotion to the cause.

But the really important thing I got out of it was just how vital the caucus is going to be this time around. Approximately 25% of the delegates will be decided by caucus. So please, please any Texas voters please make a point to go to the caucus. Vote during the day and caucus at night. You have to vote earlier to be able to caucus. I believe the caucus will be held in the same place you vote but you might want to confirm this. Luckily, Obama very kindly sent me a postcard with the info on where I am supposed to caucus. I will be there!! Please be there too!!

 

[Hound 109]

Dumb question.....can you bring your 9 y/o kid to the caucus....might be educational for both of us.

(thankfully it's in our neighborhood at his ES)

 

[jrsmom]

Today my daughter and I came across a group of Hillary volunteers by the side of the road with lots and lots of signs. We stopped for a bit - mainly because someone stole my sign from my yard and I was hoping to get another one. We ended up hanging out for a while and helping out. It was really a great experience, especially for my 12 year old. She was helping with the "honk for Hillary" sign. It thrilled her to no end, each time someone honked. And there a pretty good number of honks.

One of the volunteers was here from New York, on her own dime, because she believed so strongly. It was really encouraging to see so much excitement and devotion to the cause.

But the really important thing I got out of it was just how vital the caucus is going to be this time around. Approximately 25% of the delegates will be decided by caucus. So please, please any Texas voters please make a point to go to the caucus. Vote during the day and caucus at night. You have to vote earlier to be able to caucus. I believe the caucus will be held in the same place you vote but you might want to confirm this. Luckily, Obama very kindly sent me a postcard with the info on where I am supposed to caucus. I will be there!! Please be there too!!

I helped out here in NH and it was awesome, my son who is twelve did as well. He is somewhat of a campaign veteran at this point! We had a very nice man who came all the way from England to work on Hillary's campaign. He was here for well over a week. What a great experience for my son to learn from him.

 

[Hound 109]

.....But the really important thing I got out of it was just how vital the caucus is going to be this time around. Approximately 25% of the delegates will be decided by caucus. So please, please any Texas voters please make a point to go to the caucus. Vote during the day and caucus at night. You have to vote earlier to be able to caucus. I believe the caucus will be held in the same place you vote but you might want to confirm this. Luckily, Obama very kindly sent me a postcard with the info on where I am supposed to caucus. I will be there!! Please be there too!!

fwiw - If voting tomorrow, the caucus takes place at 7:15pm at the same place you voted. BUT IF YOU VOTED EARLY.....you would go to your normal precinct location....WHICH PROBABLY WAS NOT THE PLACE YOU EARLY VOTED.

(Are caucuses adults only?)

 

[Planogirl]

I wonder if kids are allowed at caucuses too. I can see why they wouldn't be but it would be a good learning experience for older kids...

 

[DISUNC]

The "do over" topic is also being discussed on the "liberal" thread. Better now than in 4 days.....but i wished they had decided to do one 3 weeks ago.

Thats me! Here is what I said basically over several posts.

Here is my spin on why the "Leaders" of the Democrat Party want Hillary to quit, wayyyyyyyyyy before its over.

This 'pressure' for Hillary to step down, all has to do with the Florida & Michigan votes not counting. The leaders of the DNC realize they made a HUGE mistake by saying the FL& MI votes, wont be counted. This is still America and the votes count.

In fact in Florida they had ALL Democrat the names on the ballot. 1.7 million of Florida Democrats showed up and voted. That's more than the number of Democrats who voted in any Democratic primary for anything in Florida history. The largest Democrat turnout EVER. That's more than the number of people who voted in the "early state" contests in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina combined.


If Hillary does step down (with chances still to win), all this "FL & MI votes dont count" problems will go away! And the leaders of the DNC, can sigh in relief.

If she stays in the race, so will the issue. We can possibly see Howard Dean step down from the DNC over this bad call.
I believe this is what the DNC is MORE concerned about. It really has nothing to do with the Clinton/Obama horse race.

The need to have a TRUE candidate far outweighs the party 'unity' thing. For sake of argument, say Hillary wins TX & RI, but not Oh & Vt. IF she drops out, not only will we never know for sure if she could have won. That will cause a major problem for the DNC. Not to mention the GOP will have a field day with Baraks 'illigitimate" nomination!

I think it is very possible that Huckabee is staying in the GOP race for one reason only. The GOP wants him to stay so that if one of the Dems drop out early with many votes still to be decided,...the GOP can Say..."SEE WE LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE...Your party nominates in the Backroom"!


I say COUNT THE VOTES!


This may also be discussed on Today Lynn Samuels show on Sirius Left channel!

 

[Planogirl]

I have a problem with Florida and Michigan votes not being counted too. I know that the rules weren't followed and so on but I'm not sure if the Democratic Party even has the right to exclude whole states from the process whatever the rules. How can so many voters be left out?

My discomfort about this definitely has nothing to with Hillary being the original winner in both states. With Obama's momentum I think that he could possibly win those two states if a redo was done.

 

[DISUNC]

My discomfort about this definitely has nothing to with Hillary being the original winner in both states. With Obama's momentum I think that he could possibly win those two states if a redo was done.

Highly doubtful in Florida!
Who knows about Mi????

STILL, regardless of who the winner will be, the votes must be counted!
I think counting ALL votes supercedes everything else.

 

[Hound 109]

I was over there too, DisUnc.

You & I think EXACTLY alike. Even if i knew that BO was going to win MI & FL, I would be pushing for the "do over":

- Each vote counts.
- You can't dis-enfranchise any state, but how can voters of two huge swing states be told that because their state Dem. leaders didn't agree with the national leaders.....that their votes don't count. That's nuts. Lawsuits would be sure to follow.
- The Repubs would have a field day with this, & many democratic voters (in these important swing states) would "stay home" in November in protest.

& each vote counts.


The fact that she likely would have won (or will win) MI & FL (along with NY, CA, NJ, MASS, & possibly Ohio, Texas & Penn.), has me scratching my head.

I think the news media & the DNC believe the hyper internet efforts of the BO campaign represents mainstreet Dems & that the primary season is "over"....but not until all have voted or BO has the necessary number of delegates.

It seems like every four years we enter through the looking glass & participate in Bizzaro 21st Century Politics. It's the "real" reality TV.

.

 

[Planogirl]

I- The Repubs would have a field day with this, & many democratic voters (in these important swing states) would "stay home" in November in protest.

Even worse, they might decide to vote for the other side. In protest.

 

[MerryPoppins]

I also want to see the FL and MI votes counted. Not because I think Hillary would win those states...I just think it's wrong to not count their votes.

On a different note, does anyone know if the upcoming states have open or closed primaries? Did someone already post that and I missed it? It'd be interesting to contemplate if we follow the pattern of the past primaries where we'll come out.

 

["Got Disney"]

I was over there too, DisUnc.

You & I think EXACTLY alike. Even if i knew that BO was going to win MI & FL, I would be pushing for the "do over":

- Each vote counts.
- You can't dis-enfranchise any state, but how can voters of two huge swing states be told that because their state Dem. leaders didn't agree with the national leaders.....that their votes don't count. That's nuts. Lawsuits would be sure to follow.
- The Repubs would have a field day with this, & many democratic voters (in these important swing states) would "stay home" in November in protest.

& each vote counts.


The fact that she likely would have won (or will win) MI & FL (along with NY, CA, NJ, MASS, & possibly Ohio, Texas & Penn.), has me scratching my head.

I think the news media & the DNC believe the hyper internet efforts of the BO campaign represents mainstreet Dems & that the primary season is "over"....but not until all have voted or BO has the necessary number of delegates.

It seems like every four years we enter through the looking glass & participate in Bizzaro 21st Century Politics. It's the "real" reality TV.

.

I so agree. I would be so pissed that in an election like this that my vote didn't count, no matter who they vote for. I would not be surprised if that is why so many came out and voted in protest. Although my sisters live in Florida and they did not even realize that there votes would not count.

It is very possible that Obama could get those votes this time around, Florida would be close I think. If Hillary is to pull out at least 2 states on Tues than she would have a much better chance in a redo of Fla and MI.

DU you made a really good point as Hound did about the right to vote....you put it on the liberal thread I am going to find it and post it.

This is the quote from DISUNC....and to me the word DEMOCRACY about this issue says it all..this statement made a bell go off in my brain on that is how I have been thinking but have not come up with the words...thanks DISUNC

This issue is more than 'feelings", to me this is a issue of Democracy. I dont think our government or our Political parties have ANY right to say 'We will NOT count votes" for any reason. That is a very slippery slope and very very dangerous. In all reality as citizens THATS ALL WE HAVE IS OUR VOTES.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

The Obama-luv on the Liberal Thread was really getting on my nerves. But when there were fellow liberals saying "too bad - so sad" that my vote would not count because of the bone-headed decisions of the party at state and national levels. Well - yeah - I yaged I still cannot believe that there are those that are so casual about dismissing anyone's vote - primary or not. And I call shenanigans on anyone that denies the argument would be different if those delegates were going to Obama.

But seriously. I (and many like me) do NOT want a do-over here in FL. How insulting to us to say that we are incapable of informing ourselves without being bombarded with appearances, tv & radio spots, mailers etc... In fact, I would say that perhaps our choice here in FL was probably the most "pure" because of this, wouldn't you?

It is especially frustrating to hear this when these are the same people that when confronted with questions about their candidate suggest you do your research.

 

[punkin]

I'll never vote for McCain in a million years. But my level of disgust with everything Obama has reached the point where I'm toying with the idea of not voting for anyone.

I would love to be completely wrong and Obama will turn out to be the greatest president ever. But I don't think he'll even get that far.

I am feeling rather hopeful today. I heard on the news today that Hillary indicated she would not withdraw even if she did not win Texas and Ohio. I am all for that. I think the longer this thing takes the better Hillary will look and the latter voting states will not jump on the Obama bandwagon. Maybe that's just because I am so sure she is the better candidate that I am biased.