Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

["Got Disney"]

Thank you, I'm glad that some of you feel the same as I do and that it’s not an insane question to be asking yourself.

I'm honestly beginning to feel invisible. I did post the same question (about the war vote) over on the Obama thread - and I told them, like I'm saying now, I wasn't posting to cause trouble. I'm honestly trying to see in Obama what so many others are because if it does come down to Obama and McCain - I may vote McCain (I'm actually a Republican but I don't want a continuation of the Bush years)

So, the war vote question is one (of many) questions I would like answered by Obama supporters and I posted early this morning and thus far have been completely ignored. Am I being ignored because they think I’m trying to stir up trouble or do the ones viewing the thread today honestly not have a response since it’s a valid point?

Yes we have discussed this before and it has been brought up before on the liberal thread and the Obama thread and it went right past there eyes...or they said nothing because they really could not answer it because they were not sure. Just my guess.

I keep wondering if Obama will be swiftboated about the Rizo case/trial. There may be nothing htere but with it coming to trial I believe on Monday it may be more on the news about what ties he had or did not have with him.

But the Obama supporters will NOT change there minds but the independents and undecided still can. I am wondering if the same thing in Texas is happening as in NC...was it NC cant remember,,,,where they said Obama had it and than she slammed him. Do you think that the Rep are saying that they will be voting for him to throw off the polls?

If Obama wins big this Tuesday there will be no living with his supporters or even talking to them. Can you see the love

 

[Dolce27]

They sure did ignore you! Most (and I don't mean only the DIS supporters) Obama supporters now are obsessed with defeating Clinton - that they aren't looking toward the general where the Republican party will skewer him over his lack of national security experience.

You should read the venom that is written about Hillary all over the traditionally democratic and liberal sites ........

Its really making me think twice about supporting Obama if he gets the nomination........

I am seriously considering McCain (OMG - I never thought I'd say that!)

Because Obama is allowing this sometmes hatred to be spread .............

That’s what has me so worried, they’re not thinking at all about the general election right now – I wonder if Obama even is? The media is obviously favoring Obama for the Democratic nod and is soft on him at the moment and managing to turn things back around on Hillary so that all of the negative focus is on her. What’s Obama going to do in the general election when the media may decide to no longer be so nice to him? Or when he doesn’t have Hillary speaking first in the debate so he can just repeat what she says for his stance in most issues? He can’t share a similar or same platform as a Republican, is he ready to get down into the details of what his campaign is based on in a hardcore debate and explain exactly how he plans to implement all this ‘change’ he preaches about?

I am beginning to believe that there are some Republicans voting in the Democratic primaries for Obama – and not because they honestly want Obama as the next US President but because they feel that he can be ripped to shreds easier in the general election than Hillary can. I even heard one CNN correspondent say that he’d heard the Republicans were urging other Republicans to do this since McCain is so far in the lead and their race is basically over.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

They sure did ignore you! Most (and I don't mean only the DIS supporters) Obama supporters now are obsessed with defeating Clinton - that they aren't looking toward the general where the Republican party will skewer him over his lack of national security experience.

You should read the venom that is written about Hillary all over the traditionally democratic and liberal sites ........

Its really making me think twice about supporting Obama if he gets the nomination........

I am seriously considering McCain (OMG - I never thought I'd say that!)

Because Obama is allowing this sometmes hatred to be spread .............

Really? We all know, it's hard to slide a playing card between the differences in Clinton and Obama's policies. Democrat to Democrat, if Obama wins the nomination, please don't vote McCain because of what some jackball Obama supporter said. I certainly wouldn't not vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination, I can guaren-damn-tee you that...

 

["Got Disney"]

That’s what has me so worried, they’re not thinking at all about the general election right now – I wonder if Obama even is? The media is obviously favoring Obama for the Democratic nod and is soft on him at the moment and managing to turn things back around on Hillary so that all of the negative focus is on her. What’s Obama going to do in the general election when the media may decide to no longer be so nice to him? Or when he doesn’t have Hillary speaking first in the debate so he can just repeat what she says for his stance in most issues? He can’t share a similar or same platform as a Republican, is he ready to get down into the details of what his campaign is based on in a hardcore debate and explain exactly how he plans to implement all this ‘change’ he preaches about?

I am beginning to believe that there are some Republicans voting in the Democratic primaries for Obama – and not because they honestly want Obama as the next US President but because they feel that he can be ripped to shreds easier in the general election than Hillary can. I even heard one CNN correspondent say that he’d heard the Republicans were urging other Republicans to do this since McCain is so far in the lead and their race is basically over.

Yes I have heard the same thing.....they want to get her because they feel it will be more of a even battle field. They know how to come up against Hillary but have no idea hoe to fight Obama.

 

[MassJester]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23543698]Yes I have heard the same thing.....they want to get her because they feel it will be more of a even battle field. They know how to come up against Hillary but have no idea hoe to fight Obama.[/QUOTE]

It seems very unlikely that this is happening in any significant numbers.

 

[Dolce27]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23543576]Yes we have discussed this before and it has been brought up before on the liberal thread and the Obama thread and it went right past there eyes...or they said nothing because they really could not answer it because they were not sure. Just my guess.

I keep wondering if Obama will be swiftboated about the Rizo case/trial. There may be nothing htere but with it coming to trial I believe on Monday it may be more on the news about what ties he had or did not have with him.

But the Obama supporters will NOT change there minds but the independents and undecided still can. I am wondering if the same thing in Texas is happening as in NC...was it NC cant remember,,,,where they said Obama had it and than she slammed him. Do you think that the Rep are saying that they will be voting for him to throw off the polls?

If Obama wins big this Tuesday there will be no living with his supporters or even talking to them. Can you see the love [/QUOTE]

We were posting at the same time and my post just below yours answers this question: I honestly haven't been speaking to many Republicans right now about the elections but I did hear on CNN recently that they've heard Republicans are encouraging many of the Republicans to do so this Tuesday. So, I don’t know if that’s already been occurring in the last state elections held or not or, if it’s true, then if this Tuesday will be first time many Republicans will show up to vote Democratic…. I don’t know.

And I can’t believe that the Obama supporters are ignoring any questions such as mine – and you’ve said it was brought up before? You’d think that they’d want to answer and try to win everyone over to their side because there’s still another election after this one.. beating Hillary does not give him his coveted seat in the White House.

 

[MassJester]

And I can’t believe that the Obama supporters are ignoring any questions such as mine – and you’ve said it was brought up before? You’d think that they’d want to answer and try to win everyone over to their side because there’s still another election after this one.. beating Hillary does not give him his coveted seat in the White House.

Obama did not claim he "never voted for the war" originally. It just isn't what he said. He said that when it was up for consideration he did not support Congress' decision and spoke against it, which is a matter of public record.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Obama did not claim he "never voted for the war" originally. It just isn't what he said. He said that when it was up for consideration he did not support Congress' decision and spoke against it, which is a matter of public record.

He said the above at the rally today

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Obama did not claim he "never voted for the war" originally. It just isn't what he said. He said that when it was up for consideration he did not support Congress' decision and spoke against it, which is a matter of public record.

Here is the speech he gave at a 2002 anti-Iraq War rally where he publically made a stand: http://usliberals.about.com/od/extraordinaryspeeches/a/Obama2002War.htm
Contrary to popular opinion, and for the record, there were millions of good Democrats against the war from the beginning.

 

[MassJester]

Here is the speech he gave at a 2002 anti-Iraq War rally where he publically made a stand: http://usliberals.about.com/od/extraordinaryspeeches/a/Obama2002War.htm
Contrary to popular opinion, and for the record, there were millions of good Democrats against the war from the beginning.

Very true. 21 Senators and 126 Congressmen voted against it. It's passage was a black day.

 

["Got Disney"]

Was reading todays CNN report online and read about this again and it jsut so irritates me....I mean threatening Black Delegates to swithc to Obama or else give me a break


Black delegates under pressure to switch to Obama

CLEVELAND, Ohio (CNN) -- With the Democratic race extremely tight, the party's superdelegates -- the 800 or so unpledged elected officials and party members -- are facing growing racial pressure, and even threats, to back Sen. Barack Obama.

Sen. Barack Obama has won the past 11 contests and leads in the overall delegate count.

In Cleveland, Ohio, a predominantly African-American city, black voters are hoping Obama becomes the next president of the United States. But that's making it very difficult for the people who represent them.
Cleveland City Councilman Kevin Conwell, a onetime supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton, is switching sides to the Obama camp.
It had little to do with Clinton and everything to do with pressure from people who voted him into office.
"I thought that I would never see an African-American going for president of the United States of America. This is a dream and you need to get on the right side of history, and my residents want me to be a part of this dream," Conwell said.
Other nationally prominent politicians have experienced similar pressure. Three African-American superdelegates have also defected, including Georgia Rep. John Lewis, a longtime Clinton ally.

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"There comes a time when you have to make a decision. As a superdelegate to the Democratic Convention ... I will be casting my vote for Barack Obama," Lewis told WSB-TV in Atlanta Wednesday.
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But other African-American politicians find the shifting loyalties disturbing.

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"With all due respect to my colleagues, whoever you are, I firmly believe if you don't have loyalty and integrity, what do you have? ... I am a woman of my word. I will not leave her," said Ohio Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones.
Neither will California Rep. Diane Watson, though she said she's received not only pressure, but also threatening e-mails.
"We can disagree. But I don't think that's a cause for viciousness and for launching a campaign against me," Watson said.

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Their continued loyalty is no doubt a plus for the Clinton campaign -- although her campaign has said Clinton understands.
"People have to make their own decisions and you have to respect their decisions and say, OK, I have to reach that many more people and ask for their respect," said Ann Lewis, a senior adviser to Clinton.

 

[MassJester]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23544248]Was reading todays CNN report online and read about this again and it jsut so irritates me....I mean threatening Black Delegates to swithc to Obama or else give me a break
[/QUOTE]

Not sure who is threatening delegates. If you are talking about the delegates' constituents pressuring their elected leaders...well...isn't that their right? Elected representatives have to make their own decisions, but certainly the people who put them in office have the right to be heard, don't they?

 

["Got Disney"]

Not sure who is threatening delegates. If you are talking about the delegates' constituents pressuring their elected leaders...well...isn't that their right? Elected representatives have to make their own decisions, but certainly the people who put them in office have the right to be heard, don't they?

Yes...but this is not....

CLEVELAND, Ohio (CNN) -- With the Democratic race extremely tight, the party's superdelegates -- the 800 or so unpledged elected officials and party members -- are facing growing racial pressure, and even threats, to back Sen. Barack Obama.

 

[MassJester]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23544375]Yes...but this is not....

CLEVELAND, Ohio (CNN) -- With the Democratic race extremely tight, the party's superdelegates -- the 800 or so unpledged elected officials and party members -- are facing growing racial pressure, and even threats, to back Sen. Barack Obama.[/QUOTE]

Again, who is being threatened and by whom?

 

[MassJester]

At the end of the day, if it's the folks in that district saying vote for my candidate or I won't vote for you, and that's the "threat," I don't see the issue. If a voter wants his representative to vote a particular way, and is willing to make future ballot choices contingent upon that, well that's every day in the life of elected people.

 

[Free4Life11]

Just a random comment....

I think Hillary (and her tech people) get an A+ on her website! Of course this doesn't matter to most, but I am very very anal and her website is so well laid out. Obama's on the other hand...well, let's just say his site gives me a headache!

One comment though, under issues she should just list "Education" etc. instead of the long headings she has, it would make it a lot easier.

 

[jacksonsmom]

I'll never vote for McCain in a million years. But my level of disgust with everything Obama has reached the point where I'm toying with the idea of not voting for anyone.

I would love to be completely wrong and Obama will turn out to be the greatest president ever. But I don't think he'll even get that far.

I am getting to the point I will write in Mickey Mouse I just can not sit out a vote, but I just don't know if I can vote for Obama. It really doesn't matter in my state though because my state is ALWAYS blue in the general election, no matter who is running. Mondale even won our state when he ran against Reagan. I think it is one of the very few, if not only, state Mondale won that election.
So whoever the candidate is in November, the Dem will win MN.

If Obama gets the nom, I really don't think he will win the presidentency. I truly think more Reps would vote for McCain, even if they don't like him, before they vote for Obama.
I know a few Reps that don't like McCain and they would hold their noses and vote for Hillary in the general election but they will not vote for Obama! They would hold their noses and vote for McCain.
I really believe McCain will win the Presidentency if he is running against Obama.

I can not see all those "red" states that Obama won in the primaries going in the blue column come November. Especially the hard core red states.

I am not saying Hillary would win hands down if she ran against McCain but I think she would have a better chance of beating McCain in a general election.
I do think it would be a tight race, but Hillary could beat McCain.
I just don't think Obama has a good chance against McCain, espeically once the general elections debates come up and the mud-slinging really happens. Obama will not know what hit him.

At least with Hillary she has had mud thrown at her and she is still standing even taller

 

[DISUNC]

Antbody See Hillary Open SNL last night??? She got to say 'Live from New York it;s Saturday night"!

Is there somewhere on the internet that I can watch the new Obama look alike ad? I haven't seen it yet and I'm not much of a tv watcher.

I couldnt find it, sorry!

I'm honestly beginning to feel invisible. I did post the same question (about the war vote) over on the Obama thread - and I told them, like I'm saying now, I wasn't posting to cause trouble.

I KNOW how you feel! I posted a few questions and was completely ignored. Seems like many Dis Obama supporters have the "You are either with us, or against us" attitude!

Oh no you didn't!

That’s what has me so worried, they’re not thinking at all about the general election right now – I wonder if Obama even is? The media is obviously favoring Obama for the Democratic nod and is soft on him at the moment and managing to turn things back around on Hillary so that all of the negative focus is on her. What’s Obama going to do in the general election when the media may decide to no longer be so nice to him? Or when he doesn’t have Hillary speaking first in the debate so he can just repeat what she says for his stance in most issues? He can’t share a similar or same platform as a Republican, is he ready to get down into the details of what his campaign is based on in a hardcore debate and explain exactly how he plans to implement all this ‘change’ he preaches about? .

I agree! In a general election Debate, he will no longer be afforded the "soft" questions.

I am beginning to believe that there are some Republicans voting in the Democratic primaries for Obama – and not because they honestly want Obama as the next US President but because they feel that he can be ripped to shreds easier in the general election than Hillary can. I even heard one CNN correspondent say that he’d heard the Republicans were urging other Republicans to do this since McCain is so far in the lead and their race is basically over.

This was discussed a few pages back on this thread. In most of the OPEN (where Rebuplicans/Independents can vot for DEM) elections Obama won, in the Closed (Democrats only) primaries Hillary one. So if Obama does get the nod it is not because the Democrat party voted for him. This is why they have Superdelegates.

Here is the speech he gave at a 2002 anti-Iraq War rally where he publically made a stand: http://usliberals.about.com/od/extraordinaryspeeches/a/Obama2002War.htm
Contrary to popular opinion, and for the record, there were millions of good Democrats against the war from the beginning.

Is this the speech or excerpts of the speech, or someone saying what he said?

 

[DISUNC]

Obama on the run from Rezco story! A Chicago news story from last April!
Very telling!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOFT8jtuVpo

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Wow! You are OLD!

Sadly for me, I understand precisely what you are talking about!

Actually - I wasn't even born yet. But campaigning and campaign tactics were something one of my poli sci profs LOVED to go on about!

We were talking about the debates @ work. The topic came up that during the last few debates, when Hillary was asked any question first, and answered.....Baraks answer was always "I agree with Hillary"

This did happen a few times in each debate. Has anyone else noticed this.

Yes - I have noticed this all along. Apparently we are not the only ones because they poked fun at it in last night's SNL opening sketch. Man - I wish these guys had not been out over that writer's strike. Maybe things would be a little different if they had been around to point out the things the regular media seems to be letting go. And they wonder why people are turning to these satire shows for news??

This is from the hometown paper who've been following Obama for years. It isn't going to go away, and the questions are going to get harder if he gets the nomination. He isn't going to get a 'free pass' by people who want the WH cleaned up. Pointing out HC hasn't released her taxes (totally legal) has nothing to do with him not answering questions about his relationship with someone on trial for charges of peddling political favors.


http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/820948,CST-NWS-sweet01.article

On the call, Wolfson laid out a series of items that he said needed to be answered about Rezko and Obama. I consulted Sun-Times colleagues Chris Fusco, Tim Novak and Dave McKinney -- the main Rezko reporters -- to help look at a few of the questions that Wolfson said are unsettled.

Wolfson asked, "Is there anyone on this call who knows how many fund-raisers Tony Rezko has thrown for Barack Obama?"

The Obama team has never answered this question. One in 2003 has been written about.

"Is there anyone on this call who knows how much money Tony Rezko has raised for Barack Obama?"

The Obama team has said it gave about $150,000 in Rezko-linked donations to charity. They have never spelled out Rezko's role in raising political cash for Obama.

"Is there anyone on this call who knew before a week ago that Tony Rezko actually toured the house that they purchased before Barack Obama belatedly admitted it?"

Not before Tim Burger from Bloomberg News had the scoop.

"Is there anyone on this call aware whether or not Barack Obama impugned, or, I'm sorry, opportuned Tony Rezko to obtain jobs in the Blagojevich administration for Obama allies?"

The Sun-Times has been told we'll get an answer "soon."

When oh when will they start asking Obama for REAL answers?

So if Obama ends up winning the nomination, how many of you will support him? I just ask because there seems to be quite an anti-Obama attitude here whereas some Democrats say they don’t really care which one wins.

I will hold my nose and my stomach and vote for Obama. I would never in a million years vote for a Republican because of their stance on a woman's right to choose and basic civil rights for gay and lesbian Americans.