Heterosexuals

[CEDmom]

Oh, here we go.

OK, i will play along.

Do you as a member of society want polygamists marriages?

Do you want sibling marriages?

Do you want 3 person bisexual marriages?

Do you want 15 yr old boys marrying 40 yr old men?

Because those are the groups knocking at the door of marriage and claiming the same rights as everyone else.

With the exception of the last one, assuming all these individuals are consenting adults (as defined by law) and enter into the union of free will than how is it affecting me?

Are you threatened by this because you feel it makes a mockery of the sacred union that marriage entails ?

How does you account for those individuals who marry over and over with little to no regard for the sanctity of marriage? That's what I call a mockery .

 

[pearlieq]

I don't know the answer to that anymore than I know the answer to whether I was born incapable of finding Sarah Silverman funny.

Glad to know I'm not alone in that one.

I personally wish we could separate the concepts of political and religious marriage. I fall into the "civil unions for all" camp (which may be a camp of one ). I think we should all have one secular civil union if you will, that would apply to 2 consenting, non-related adults and that would cover all of the legal/governmental aspects of marriage (taxes, inheritance, benefits). All couples, regardless of orientation, would have this union and then could either leave it at that or go on for a religious solemnization.

"Marriage" as a sacrament or whatever could then be handled by churches as they see fit. I don't care too much about what they do since they're private organizations. "Marriage" shouldn't be a legal state at all, but a private religious experience like baptism or confirmation.

 

[Anewman]

Funny, though, how so many of the people who believe in equality do so only on certain subjects. Marriage, yes. Taxes, no. Kinda does make me believe it isn't equality they are after.

YOU are right, if you think a 13 year old child that can not legally work full time is EQUAL(in terms of marriage) to an adult homosexual that can legally work.

In that case I am not after equality.

 

[Goofyluver]

Should marriage have age restrictions? If you believe so then you are discrimnatory as well.

How do you definie discriminatory?

containing or implying a slight or showing prejudice; "discriminatory attitudes and practices"; "invidious comparisons"

Uh...no hon, I'm not discriminatory. I'm not being prejudice because I don't want my 5-year-old getting married. I'm using common sense. The same common sense that I use when I explain to my son that who you love is okay, whether you love a man or woman. The same common sense that I use when I explain to my son about people who choose to treat a group of people like "people who have Hansen's disease" (thanks coolbeans!) just for being who they are. So, no, I'm not discriminatory. But, I can use my common sense and see some people who are.

 

[Goofyluver]

So love should be the determining factor in state sanctioned marriage? Thats it? SO, no matter what as long as all parties involved "love" each other than they should have a legally recognized marriage?

Wow...yes, that was the point of my whole post! You only must love each other and then you're married!

Uh...no, I'm saying the state should not get to be "discriminatory" as to who they will legalize marriages for. Love itself does not only occur between a man and a woman.

 

[Cool-Beans]

people who choose to treat a group of people like lepers just for being who they are.

You aren't supposed to say "leper" anymore. It is "people who have Hansen's disease."

 

[Goofyluver]

You aren't supposed to say "leper" anymore. It is "people who have Hansen's disease."

I apologize...I will go back and edit.

 

[stargrazer]

Hey Aquinas...

Dude...I still can't figure out if you are objecting to two people of the same sex falling in love or if it's 'hiding the salami' that you've got a problem with. I asked earlier but it got bypassed...

 

[L107ANGEL]

Hey Aquinas...

Dude...I still can't figure out if you are objecting to two people of the same sex falling in love or if it's 'hiding the salami' that you've got a problem with. I asked earlier but it got bypassed...

 

[leafette]

My biggest objections to homosexual marriage are these:


2. There are already others knocking on the door trying to get their preferences normalized and legalized. I know people call it a straw man but polygamist groups are now actively trying to get their unions recognized as well. Not to mention 3 person bisexual unions. Who knows where this path will lead us. Will marriage have any restraints left at all. Marriage is discrimnatory by nature and regulated by the state. Siblings cant marry. You have to be a certain age, etc. Once homosexual marriages are granted and legalized in all 50 states, other fringe groups will rise up and demand their rights as well. Ageism? Why cant I marry when I am 13? WHy cant I marry my siblling, we are in love? Where does it end? We as a society do not want a free for all in marriage with no restraints at all

Sorry, your opponents are wrong. It's not a strawman logical fallacy. It's a slippery slope logical fallacy.

 

[Tiggernut_jadie]

Not at all. Homosexuals want to redefine marriage beyond one man-one woman. I know they like to trot out interracial marriage but they werent trying to change to basic premise of marriage. Now we see the redefinition of marriage and others waiting to walk through that same door that is being opened.

No 'homosexuals' want the right to marry their ADULT partner because they're in love.....how is this 'redefining' marriage?

Any smkescrrens about age of consent are just pointless. This is not about opening the floogates for people to marry a 13 year old....it's about ONE group of people of ONE way of thinking trying to influence the laws of the land. As others have asked - and you've side stepped nicely i must say. How and Why does the legal joining together of two consenting adults of the same sex affect you in any way?

I'm sorry...but who defined marriage as only occurring between a man and a woman? Oh yes, it was our government...who based this largely on religious beliefs that DO NOT belong to all!

Marriage is defined by those participating in such marriage. My friend Bob and his partner Gary can define their own marriage. I don't have to do that for them, and neither does the government.

As for the basic premise of marriage? How about love? Marriage is built on love. Love doesn't only occur between a man and woman.

Well said. Why do the 'good' Christians like Aquinas feel they have the right to dictate what is 'right' and 'wrong' when it comes to marriage?

And seriously dude - don't give me the 'bible' speil - it's just a book, okay?!

 

[leafette]

I've been trying to choose to be gay all week, and it's just not working!

(1) Stared at some pictures of Angelina Jolie: nothing
(2) Bought some Birkenstocks: nope
(3) Broke out the old Indigo Girls CDs: nada
(4) Got out my LL Bean catalog to drool over some plaid shirts: uh-uh

Rick even tried to bequeath me gay: still straight.

So, despite learning on the Dis this week that people choose to be gay, I must disagree.

 

[mssocks]

In answer to the OP question -

I am still waiting to choose - depends on who asks me first.
They'd better hurry, I just joined AARP.

 

[User Name]

Not looking to start trouble...simply trying to understand why people think one way is a given, and the other way is a choice.

Simple.

Nature dictates that homosexuality cannot be "normal."

The first, most basic fundamental of nature is to reproduce - to further the species. That cannot happen in a homosexual relationship

That doesn't mean that homosexuals are wrong or bad or less than a heterosexual. Just that "nature" doesn't intend for homosexuality to be the norm, else the species would cease to exist.

 

[Tiggernut_jadie]

Simple.

Nature dictates that homosexuality cannot be "normal."

The first, most basic fundamental of nature is to reproduce - to further the species. That cannot happen in a homosexual relationship

That doesn't mean that homosexuals are wrong or bad or less than a heterosexual. Just that "nature" doesn't intend for homosexuality to be the norm, else the species would cease to exist.

So do you only have sex to reproduce? How many kids do you have?

 

[Anewman]

Simple.

Nature dictates that homosexuality cannot be "normal."

The first, most basic fundamental of nature is to reproduce - to further the species. That cannot happen in a homosexual relationship

That doesn't mean that homosexuals are wrong or bad or less than a heterosexual. Just that "nature" doesn't intend for homosexuality to be the norm, else the species would cease to exist.

OK they are not "the norm", neither are ALBINOs or triplets... But they are BORN, and they are naturally occurring.

 

[TurboKitty]

Simple.

Nature dictates that homosexuality cannot be "normal."

The first, most basic fundamental of nature is to reproduce - to further the species. That cannot happen in a homosexual relationship

That doesn't mean that homosexuals are wrong or bad or less than a heterosexual. Just that "nature" doesn't intend for homosexuality to be the norm, else the species would cease to exist.

If this were an absolute, why would homosexual behaviors occur in nature?

 

[L107ANGEL]

I've been trying to choose to be gay all week, and it's just not working!

(1) Stared at some pictures of Angelina Jolie: nothing
(2) Bought some Birkenstocks: nope
(3) Broke out the old Indigo Girls CDs: nada
(4) Got out my LL Bean catalog to drool over some plaid shirts: uh-uh

Rick even tried to bequeath me gay: still straight.

So, despite learning on the Dis this week that people choose to be gay, I must disagree.

 

[sweet angel]

:::knock knock knock:::

EXCUSE ME! I hate to interrupt the debate, but my question was simply this:

HETEROSEXUALS, DID YOU CHOOSE THAT ORIENTATION?


Okay...now that I've made that clear, I am not asking about:
bestiality
pedophilia
gay marriage
straight marriage
hamster/human marriage
"biblical relations" <-- which, by the way, makes me giggle
rape
incest
age of consent

or any of the 800,000,000,000,001 other topics that were dragged into this.

I also did not ask for a response as to whether or not each of us thought it was appropriate or normal.

SIMPLY -- DID YOU MAKE A CHOICE?

Thank you, and carry on.

 

[Taylor]

If I ever decided to go gay, I would find a man the exact same size as me. That way I would double my wardrobe.