Heterosexuals

[L107ANGEL]

I loooove looooove loooove when people call it sexual preference. Ummm...do you have a racial preference? "Today, I choose to be ASIAN!! Tomorrow...who knows!!"

 

[Andy B]

Oh, here we go.

OK, i will play along.

Do you as a member of society want polygamists marriages?

Do you want sibling marriages?

Do you want 3 person bisexual marriages?

Do you want 15 yr old boys marrying 40 yr old men?

Because those are the groups knocking at the door of marriage and claiming the same rights as everyone else.

If I do or do not want those I do not give you the right to say it for me.

Where is your proof that those groups are claiming the same rights. This is just tub thumping.

 

[aquinas]

I feel it is my business, welfare is a big enough problem now. I would hate to imagine what it would be like if it was legal for kids to marry b4 they could legally work full time.

You pay taxes, right?

Why not? They are in love and are citizens of the US just like everyone else is. Why should you discriminate against someone because of their age? Are you praticing ageism? Are you a age-phobe? How close minded of you! What a bigot!

 

[Anewman]

There shouldnt be any restrictions on marriage at all? Are you sure?

If you do this you might want to do away with all the age of consent laws at the same time. Cant have no restrictions on marriage with those pesky age of consent laws.

Or do you really want for marriage to have some discrimnatory parts of it?

Age of consent laws are in place with heterosexual marriages, why would you think they need to be removed for gay marriages?

Yes I know it helps you "try" to make a point.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

Oh, here we go.

OK, i will play along.

Do you as a member of society want polygamists marriages?

Do you want sibling marriages?

Do you want 3 person bisexual marriages?

Do you want 15 yr old boys marrying 40 yr old men?

Because those are the groups knocking at the door of marriage and claiming the same rights as everyone else.

Yeah...they keep knocking on my door and running away. I have to keep answering it though, because I have a pizza coming.

 

[Cool-Beans]

I feel it is my business, welfare is a big enough problem now. I would hate to imagine what it would be like if it was legal for kids to marry b4 they could legally work full time.

You pay taxes, right?

LOL, two different subjects. I won't even start getting into how much we pay and how badly it is routinely wasted, like the 14 million dollars to study cow farts.

For me, part of the whole "everybody equal" thing would be everybody paying exactly the same percentage of taxes. None of this "I pay $100,000 and you get a 'refund' of money you didn't even pay" crap. But, that's a different thread.

Here, we are discussing equality in marriage, not equality in taxes.

I think I may be the only person on these boards that thinks everyone should be equal ALL THE TIME.

 

[Tiggernut_jadie]

My biggest objections to homosexual marriage are these:

1. Dont call it marriage. Marriage is something setup by God as a union between one man and one woman. Though I still oppose them, I could see more of a case for civil unions. Regardless of what I think, within 5 years I think you will see this happen which leads me to my next point:
2. There are already others knocking on the door trying to get their preferences normalized and legalized. I know people call it a straw man but polygamist groups are now actively trying to get their unions recognized as well. Not to mention 3 person bisexual unions. Who knows where this path will lead us. Will marriage have any restraints left at all. Marriage is discrimnatory by nature and regulated by the state. Siblings cant marry. You have to be a certain age, etc. Once homosexual marriages are granted and legalized in all 50 states, other fringe groups will rise up and demand their rights as well. Ageism? Why cant I marry when I am 13? WHy cant I marry my siblling, we are in love? Where does it end? We as a society do not want a free for all in marriage with no restraints at all

By your logic we shouldn't let ANYONE get married because by allowing hetro couples to get married, we've opened the floodgates to gay marriage which in turn opens the gates to all other sorts of marriage. So the logical thing to do would be to ban EVERYONE from getting married and then we're all equal...Fair enough?

 

[aquinas]

If I do or do not want those I do not give you the right to say it for me.

Where is your proof that those groups are claiming the same rights. This is just tub thumping.

Well, do you want these things are not? Are they all good for our society?

You have already seen this discussed on the siblings married thread. Polygamists have been clamouring for years. And there is a certain group that would love to see age of consent laws changed.

 

[Goofyluver]

There shouldnt be any restrictions on marriage at all? Are you sure?

If you do this you might want to do away with all the age of consent laws at the same time. Cant have no restrictions on marriage with those pesky age of consent laws.

Or do you really want for marriage to have some discrimnatory parts of it?

I'm sorry...did you see that in my post? Where did I say that?

Age of consent is very different already state to state. We have laws in place to protect our children. You know, the ones like: you can't drink until you're a certain age, you can't join the military and fight in yucky wars...etc, etc...

However, as adults, we have the freedom to live our lives as we see fit. Unless, you are a member of one of those "fringe groups demanding your equal rights!"

You are taking something as simple as, "DID YOU CHOOSE TO BE HETEROSEXUAL?" and turning it into a debate about law. Great job going in a different direction to justify your "discriminatory" view point.

 

[aquinas]

By your logic we shouldn't let ANYONE get married because by allowing hetro couples to get married, we've opened the floodgates to gay marriage which in turn opens the gates to all other sorts of marriage. So the logical thing to do would be to ban EVERYONE from getting married and then we're all equal...Fair enough?

Not at all. Homosexuals want to redefine marriage beyond one man-one woman. I know they like to trot out interracial marriage but they werent trying to change to basic premise of marriage. Now we see the redefinition of marriage and others waiting to walk through that same door that is being opened.

 

[L107ANGEL]

Yeah...they keep knocking on my door and running away. I have to keep answering it though, because I have a pizza coming.

 

[Anewman]

LOL, two different subjects.

Yes two different subjects, just pointing out that if AGE OF CONSENT laws were removed somebody would be supporting these families that have no legal way of supporting themselves.

That does make it taxpayers business IMO.

 

[aquinas]

I'm sorry...did you see that in my post? Where did I say that?

Age of consent is very different already state to state. We have laws in place to protect our children. You know, the ones like: you can't drink until you're a certain age, you can't join the military and fight in yucky wars...etc, etc...

However, as adults, we have the freedom to live our lives as we see fit. Unless, you are a member of one of those "fringe groups demanding your equal rights!"

You are taking something as simple as, "DID YOU CHOOSE TO BE HETEROSEXUAL?" and turning it into a debate about law. Great job going in a different direction to justify your "discriminatory" view point.

Should marriage have age restrictions? If you believe so then you are discrimnatory as well.

 

[Cool-Beans]

Yes two different subjects, just pointing out that if AGE OF CONSENT laws were removed somebody would be supporting these families that have no legal way of supporting themselves.

That does make it taxpayers business IMO.

The 13 year olds can support themselves. Or their parents can support them.

Whether or not people should or shouldn't have to pay extraordinarily high taxes so that others don't have to (and how that money ends up in the pockets of politicians and their friends) really is a whole different subject.

Funny, though, how so many of the people who believe in equality do so only on certain subjects. Marriage, yes. Taxes, no. Kinda does make me believe it isn't equality they are after.

 

[Goofyluver]

Not at all. Homosexuals want to redefine marriage beyond one man-one woman. I know they like to trot out interracial marriage but they werent trying to change to basic premise of marriage. Now we see the redefinition of marriage and others waiting to walk through that same do that is being opened.

I'm sorry...but who defined marriage as only occurring between a man and a woman? Oh yes, it was our government...who based this largely on religious beliefs that DO NOT belong to all!

Marriage is defined by those participating in such marriage. My friend Bob and his partner Gary can define their own marriage. I don't have to do that for them, and neither does the government.

As for the basic premise of marriage? How about love? Marriage is built on love. Love doesn't only occur between a man and woman.

 

[dcentity2000]

Should marriage have age restrictions? If you believe so then you are discrimnatory as well.

That's dangerously close to comparing homosexuality to paedophilia...



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[Anewman]

Not at all. Homosexuals want to redefine marriage beyond one man-one woman. I know they like to trot out interracial marriage but they werent trying to change to basic premise of marriage. Now we see the redefinition of marriage and others waiting to walk through that same do that is being opened.

If a new church down the street has a different definition of the word "marriage" it will have no impact on my 17 year marriage and it will not change how my church defines it.

I dont see why the definition would matter.

 

[Tigger&Belle]

I really don't know how I am going to tell DH I am gay now

Honey, I'm lesbian!

 

[Andy B]

Well, do you want these things are not? Are they all good for our society?

You have already seen this discussed on the siblings married thread. Polygamists have been clamouring for years. And there is a certain group that would love to see age of consent laws changed.

How do you know what I have seen?

There are a certain group who like canibalism but it does not prevent each one of us deciding what we feel is allowed and what is not.

What we all do not want is you making the decisions and saying only your version of morality is allowed.

 

[aquinas]

I'm sorry...but who defined marriage as only occurring between a man and a woman? Oh yes, it was our government...who based this largely on religious beliefs that DO NOT belong to all!

Marriage is defined by those participating in such marriage. My friend Bob and his partner Gary can define their own marriage. I don't have to do that for them, and neither does the government.

As for the basic premise of marriage? How about love? Marriage is built on love. Love doesn't only occur between a man and woman.

So love should be the determining factor in state sanctioned marriage? Thats it? SO, no matter what as long as all parties involved "love" each other than they should have a legally recognized marriage?