Here Now 9-14 Quick follow up about security.

[tlmadden73]

So the key seems to be a minimalist. Not a bad thing as bringing less in the park will (generally) make it easier for you (and others). Tough to do, but it can be done I guess.

Good to hear about these security procedures though as it helps us set expectations for our future trips.

 

[2009CAN]

I actually appreciate the extra security. If it takes longer to get in the parks, so be it. Thank you for the post.

 

[AngiTN]

What about strollers?? We've brought a stroller the past 2 trips and no one has EVER looked in/under our stroller.

While I no longer bring a stroller I see lots go in through the no bag line and they check under them every single time. They generally stop anyone that is entering with a stroller and look under. And even when they don't stop them they look back.

Do you put things under your stroller? I bet they look and you don't notice. If you do put things and they haven't stopped you then you've been lucky since they are supposed to.

 

[mickeyluv'r]

I don't quite get the debate about checks being random or not random. Who cares? I hope it isn't purely random, but I agree with DisneyOma. The experience of one guest entering the parks 25 times is statistically insignificant.

In 2015, WDW's parks saw some 54,040,000 guests which = an average of 148,055 visitors per day. (source: AECOM 2015 GAAReport).

In order to have any kind of meaningful results, your survey population would have to be much broader, much larger, and distributed over more than just a few days on a slow week in September.

I'm naturally suspicious of someone who opens a thread by asking us not to debate their topic of choice, then proceeds to make absolute but completely vague claims on the internet minus any reputable citations:
"a dozen or so trips through security" over the course of "5 days"?
"there was a ton of security all around the park entrance."
"security will..."
"One can ensure"

Then later claims that they tried hard not to make any "definitive statements."

 

[Love_the_Mouse]

While I no longer bring a stroller I see lots go in through the no bag line and they check under them every single time. They generally stop anyone that is entering with a stroller and look under. And even when they don't stop them they look back.

Do you put things under your stroller? I bet they look and you don't notice. If you do put things and they haven't stopped you then you've been lucky since they are supposed to.

That makes me feel better. No, we don't put anything under our stroller, so maybe that's why we're not stopped.

 

[cobright]

Um , most guests don't behave this way.

Exactly my point. I said if the selection were completely and exclusively random then no matter how a guest behaved the chances of them being selected would be whatever the target percentage of guests going through the gate.

The fact that adjusting my behaviour adjusts the odds of being directed towards secondary screening implies that the selection criteria is not random.

 

[mickeyluv'r]

I actually appreciate the extra security. If it takes longer to get in the parks, so be it. Thank you for the post.

As long as we don't get held up an hour, miss the ADR's we made 6months ago, and get charged the $10pp no-show fee.

Or the 7D FP we can't replace.

 

[AngiTN]

I don't quite get the debate about checks being random or not random. Who cares?

I'm with you. I don't get why it matters if it's random or not. So the guards use the phrase "please step this way, you've been selected for additional screening"
So what? Some get additional screening, some don't. Would they like to get them all, probably. But having just entered Bristol Motor Speedway with 150,000 additional folks, all of who went through metal detectors I can tell you it was not pretty. While Disney won't have that many entering at once even if you scale it appropriately it was not effective. I can say that as we entered so many guests walked in so fast there was no way they could monitor if a metal detector went off. Entry would have to be slowed and with that many people, it wasn't going to happen. If they tried to use that similar ratio of detectors to guests I would expect similar problems. They'd have to greatly increase the number of detectors and seriously, is it really worth it? How long did Disney operate in full safety without them? Is it really increased safety that much since they put them in? I guess it's something no one knows but I know what my guess is

 

[AngiTN]

As long as we don't get held up an hour, miss the ADR's we made 6months ago, and get charged the $10pp no-show fee.

Or the 7D FP we can't replace.

I've seen bad lines at security and been at very busy times and never seen it take an hour to get in. I think there would have to be some very unusual circumstances going on for you to take more than an hour to get through bag check.

 

[mickeyluv'r]

Exactly my point. I said if the selection were completely and exclusively random then no matter how a guest behaved the chances of them being selected would be whatever the target percentage of guests going through the gate.

The fact that adjusting my behaviour adjusts the odds of being directed towards secondary screening implies that the selection criteria is not random.

Um, okay, so what?

You claim that you stood outside a theme park for an extended period of time wearing what looks like a suicide vest some 25 times, with odd expressions on your face and happened to get sent through the metal detectors.

But YOU ALSO SAID that some "50-70%" of OTHER guests selected were "actually random"?

Together, those two claims are kind of meaningless.

Either the selection is purely random (which I doubt), or it isn't.

 

[mickeyluv'r]

I've seen bad lines at security and been at very busy times and never seen it take an hour to get in. I think there would have to be some very unusual circumstances going on for you to take more than an hour to get through bag check.

Missing ADR's and FP = unhappy guests

"An hour" wasn't the important part of what I said in that sentence.

But I agree with your other post.

Disney's privacy policy website makes for some interesting reading. MDE and Magicbands = rather broad permission for Disney (and their family of companies) to use your information.

 

[hiroMYhero]

Off to the TP Community board as the thread has moved on from "Here Now."

 

[cobright]

For a true random selection, there will be people who are never picked to go through (like my daughter - there for a week, park hopper, never got sent through) and those who will get picked every time. Don't schools teach statistics?

If the test is conducted on 50% (or 80 or whatever percentage) of the total testable population, then a truly random selection will give a 50% (or whatever) probability of selection to each person going through. While runs are possible, as the sample size increases the likelihood of one person being randomly selected 100% if the time falls off exponentially.

 

[adisneyaunt]

Thanks for posting OP.
like to hear that hey are " on the ball" so to speak.

 

[revdon64]

Random or not I really don't mind it. I think I just get tired of them telling me it's random lol

That's funny because after our CM friend told us that the goal was 80%, DW called the security guard on him telling her she was randomly selected the next day. She said something like, "Oh, I know it's not random and you're trying to get 80% of the people through the metal detectors." The guard paused, looked at her, and just smiled. Confirmation!