Help with Sony NEX 5N

dreamsail

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I just bought the 5N on Saturday, and went back yesterday to pick up the extra 55-210mm lens.

Background: p&s up until this point. I am in the process of taking some online photography courses on exposure and composition

Here are my questions
1. I want to shoot macro, but where the subject is in focus and the background has nice bokeh. an example: a ladybug on a leaf where the entire ladybug is in the frame/in focus. Do I need a dedicated macro lens? What about extension tubes? I can't spend 1k on a macro lens, so cheaper ideas welcomed!!!

2. I don't understand the lens adapters. If I want to buy a MF lens made by third-party, do I just need an adapter for e-mount? When a 3rd party lens says for Nikon, etc, do I then need a nikon to e-mount adapter?

3. We are going on DCL in August and I want to take some great shots (especially at cc, and on the ship). Is the included lens enough for the low-light on the ship? Are the 18-55 and 55-210 sufficient? or should I try to get a prime lens? Which prime lens is best for all purpose?

Thanks for helping out an utter and complete newbie at interchangeable lens cameras!
 
I just bought the 5N on Saturday, and went back yesterday to pick up the extra 55-210mm lens.

Congrats! Nice combo - I use the same two eMount lenses - 18-55 and 55-210.

Here are my questions
1. I want to shoot macro, but where the subject is in focus and the background has nice bokeh. an example: a ladybug on a leaf where the entire ladybug is in the frame/in focus. Do I need a dedicated macro lens? What about extension tubes? I can't spend 1k on a macro lens, so cheaper ideas welcomed!!!

Well, there's macro and then there's MACRO. Macro as a general term is often used to mean closeup photography, where as true 'macro' is typically a 1:1 ratio - specialized lenses with very close focusing capability or as you mention, extension tubes, close up filters, etc to help. You can shoot closeup photography without any special tools - the simplest method is to use a lot of telephoto and get as close as the minimum focus distance allows. Your 55-210mm lens at 210mm will work to get nice closeups of bugs, flowers, etc. It's not true 'macro' photography, but many times is really what people want. If you want to get into real macro, then a dedicated macro lens, closeup filters, or extension tubes can let you fill the frame with the tip of a flower stamen, or a bug's head...and shoot subjects just inches away and still focus.

If you don't mind going manual focus, you can do macro for super cheap - a dedicated macro lens would likely be the cheapest solution, as you can find any number of old used manual macro lenses out there (check used lens stores like KEH, or eBay)...simply pick a lens mount as desired, and buy the adapter for that mount. You can pick up macro lenses for $10.

2. I don't understand the lens adapters. If I want to buy a MF lens made by third-party, do I just need an adapter for e-mount? When a 3rd party lens says for Nikon, etc, do I then need a nikon to e-mount adapter?

Exactly right - but don't just look at the brand, look at the actual MOUNT. This is important, because many brands are out there, and some have had multiple types of lens mounts over the decades. Canon and Minolta each for example have prominent autofocus lens mounts from more current lenses, and manual mounts from older lenses. And that brings up another caution - remember that many NEW lenses for digital cameras don't have any aperture rings on the lens - since when you use adapters you need to set the aperture yourself, newer autofocus lenses often lack this ability. They make adapters for newer digital lenses for the NEX which have aperture rings on the adapter...but often you're better off going with the older manual mounts, and finding lenses that have aperture rings right on them - it's easier, works better, and they're much cheaper to boot!

The NEX has almost no registration gap between the lens' end glass and the sensor...one of the smallest ever designed for any camera. So that means all other lens mounts need to be placed a little or a lot farther back from the sensor to work. If you have a lens mount that sits the lens, say, 1/2 inch from the sensor, you wouldn't be able to use a lens that was designed to sit 1/4 inch from the sensor - it's too far away, and there's no adapter rings that can make it closer. You need special glass elements added to try to get the lens in focus to bridge the gap. But with the NEX's registration gap being so tiny compared to other mounts, all you need is a simple metal ring that connects the lens to the mount, and spaces the lens the proper distance from the sensor. That's why mirrorless cameras like the NEX can adapt to almost any other lens - you just add as much spacer as you need to use that mount.

3. We are going on DCL in August and I want to take some great shots (especially at cc, and on the ship). Is the included lens enough for the low-light on the ship? Are the 18-55 and 55-210 sufficient? or should I try to get a prime lens? Which prime lens is best for all purpose?

Generally, you'll be fine. The 18-55mm isn't a low light lens, but not all low light is equal. Shooting in low light with moving subjects and trying to freeze action requires a fast prime lens and high ISO. But shooting in low light for a static scene can use slower shutter speeds with the slower apertures. The camera does very well at high ISO levels with low noise, has special hand held stacking modes (hand Held Twilight) that make low light interior shots a breeze, and you can always use a tripod or a level surface to let the camera keep the ISO down low and take a longer exposure.

Hope that helps.
 
Thank you so much for the information! This helps a lot.

I checked out some of your nex 5n images, and your spider wraps its catch from Mar '12 is the kind of macro i imagine myself doing. It looks like that only used yhe 55-210 lens with no extenders or extensions. I probably won't have a chance to try out that lens until saturday, but it gives me hope that i won't have to spend too much to get what I'm looking for.
 
Dreamsail, I agree with Zackiedawg 100%. I think you can get really nice macro shots from the 55-210. I use the Nex 7 and use to have a Tamron 60 f2 Macro. I sold it because I never really used it in 1:1 magnification. I thought I needed it to shoot flowers and just small subjects(lizards, frogs, bees on flowers, etc.). If you are not shooting REALLY closeup like 1:1 or 1:2 then I think you would be better off with a versatile lens like the 55-210 and if you want to shoot REAL macro you can always add a Raynox 250 to the 55-210. I've seen shots with this combo on the DPreview.com Nex forums with outstanding results. You can buy the Raynox 250 or 150 for $79.

This was shot using a Nex 7 and Nikon 100 f2.8. Just imagine how close I could have gotten with the 55-210.


Dragonfly by Harry Shields, on Flickr
 

If you are not shooting REALLY closeup like 1:1 or 1:2 then I think you would be better off with a versatile lens like the 55-210 and if you want to shoot REAL macro you can always add a Raynox 250 to the 55-210. I've seen shots with this combo on the DPreview.com Nex forums with outstanding results. You can buy the Raynox 250 or 150 for $79.

Other options are Canon's 250D and 500D close-up lenses, from $75 to $150 depending on size. Some may be discontinued as they show up as "backordered" or "out of stock", a shame because image quality is really good.
 
Great! Thanks for the lower-cost options. I love the dragonfly and I like how almost all of him is in focus.

Does the Raynox fit the nex without an adapter, or would I need to purchase an adapter as well?

For under $100, I can def add that to my arsenal of things to try. I really appreciate the advice! Hopefully I will soon have some images to share :)

One more question, what is a good site to get good critique's of your shots? My sister uses betterphoto, but I didn't know if there were any others?
 
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The Raynox 150 & 250 fit on the end of your lens. It has a universal fitting.
 
If you want any sort of decent character photos, you'll need a bigger flash than the one that comes with it, so you might want to look into that before looking at another lens. Especially if you are taking pictures by the Grand Staircase.

I just came off the DCL Fantasy last week and am currently going through over 1000 pictures taken w/ the Olympus E-M5. I brought my low light lens, a Panasonic 14 f/2.5, but hardly took it out, instead, I relied on the kit 12-50 lens most of the trip.

Having looked at getting a 5N or Nex 7 just a few months ago, you should be fine w/ kit lens pictures using 800-1600 ISO on the ship unless you really want to spend the $$$$ for the Carl Zeiss lens :)
 

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