heard a rumor.. someone jump off Contemporary 2 hrs ago

[kandb]

Suicide is very complicated, who are we to judge. Very sad situation.

 

[graciedad]

Can we all just agree that someone committed suicide, it was a terrible tragedy, and leave it at that? Can we just ease off the judgementporn for a second? It is completely unproductive and has no positive impact in any way on any thing.

We can't. This is the internet. We have to put everyone down. #sarcasm

 

[Minnesota!]

I had to stop reading this thread because I recently lost my father to suicide at the end of October. I'm approaching five months from when I got the news from my brother who found my dad. The news ripped through my soul and it is a wound that will never heal. It continually gets torn when I read such ignorant comments. I'm literally shaking with anger and pain. So many of your comments are triggering and so disrespectful.

My father was NOT a coward. My father was NOT selfish. He was the most giving man I've ever known. He did everything he possibly could do for his family and friends. Through his depression, he put a smile on his face and never let anyone of us know that he was in such severe pain. Suicide became the only solution that my dad saw. He actually thought it would be the most selfless act as it would relieve us of him as he believed HE was a burden. Not a single one of us ever made him feel this way, but his sickness and this disease destroys any capability to think rationally.

My heart goes out to this person's friends and family and absolutely feels so much pain for any of those who witnessed such a tragic event. Let's take this opportunity to TEACH one another about suicide. For anyone struggling, please call the suicide prevention line at 1 (800) 273-8255. Everyone is worth something. NO ONE WANTS TO END THEIR LIFE. People just want to end the pain.

Thank you to those on this thread that have an understanding and are speaking up. To those of you who don't understand, please do some research and I am so very glad that you have never been touched by suicide. Only those who have dealt with this firsthand or have gone through depression themselves can fully understand.

Depression can effect you anywhere. It isn't just a sadness. It's a disease. Would you tell someone to just stop feeling so ill when they have the flu? No. So please stop pretending people are just doing this for attention and can get over it.

I am so very sorry for your loss. Thank you for speaking up...

 

[kandb]

Defective Pixie dust.

Before posting something like this, perhaps think about someone reading this who may have lost someone close to them to suicide. I doubt they think it's funny.

Also, based on many comments on here, it's obvious people are ignorant on this subject. Best to say nothing, if you really don't know what your talking about.

 

[serenitynow]

The poor person who commits suicide leaves behind a lifetime of pain and agony for their loved ones. I am very sorry for your loss and I regret any additional pain this thread may have caused you. Until it happens to you, people really cannot understand the depth. God bless

 

[Sydney2977]

Regardless of the reason it is still a tragedy when someone dies. My prayers go out to this person and their friends and family.

As someone who has been diagnosed as bipolar (and thankfully have been to counseling, am on medication, and have a loving and supportive husband) I can see both sides of the debate that seems to be happening on suicide. As pp have said I think it is good that is being discussed.

People often say they don't understand that a person who has everything going for them like I do- great family, job, no real money problems, house, car, etc.- could be depressed to the point of wanting to take their own life. Believe me, the rational side of your brain can't even figure it out when you're feeling like you want to kill yourself. You think these thoughts and it can make you feel even worse, like you don't deserve these things and that you're a horrible person and everyone would be better off without you. You think you have no friends and your family is just putting up with you. I can't imagine what someone suffering with similar mental issues that DOESN'T have a seemingly good life is thinking- they can't even rationalize reasons for being alive. The thing that kept creeping into my mind though was that I didn't want my family to be embarrassed that I killed myself- not that they would miss me, but that other people would know and my family would be negatively impacted. I am still embarrassed to admit that I came close to doing it several times.

I began to realize that my behavior was already negatively impacting my family and with my husband's help I sought treatment. I still have times when I get depressed and don't know why, but I can recognize it (or sometimes DH does) and know to seek help. I've developed a stronger relationship with God and can rely on that to help me as well. I get that others who don't suffer from a mental disorder don't understand it, and that's ok. I don't feel insulted or annoyed, I just hope they don't ever have to deal with it. They are entitled to their opinions, but I do hope their opinions don't affect someone's decision to end their life.

I sometimes get annoyed at those who commit suicide like DH's uncle- he had a successful career, loving wife and two great kids, and had financial control over DH's grandma's money after his grandpa passed away. His uncle ended up moving his family and her across the country and away from the rest of the family, spending all her money, the money she put aside for her four grandchildren for college, and then didn't have money to pay to keep her in an assisted living facility. This all came out after his death and it devastated DH's aunt and cousins. I would have to say my opinion is that he was both selfish and cowardly in this situation- but I would never say that to DH's family!

DH and I thankfully have a great relationship with our kids and they know they can come talk to us about anything- believe me, they have! We have had discussions that suicide is wrong from a Christian perspective, that it causes pain to those left behind, and that we understand depression affects people and are always here for them no matter what so that hopefully if this affects them they know it's ok to get help.

 

[mcjaco]

If it is indeed a suicide, what a coward to do that at Disney with the possibility of children seeing. Smh. Hopefully no young kids witnessed it or saw the body.

Just a terrible thing to say.

Suicide can most definitely be cowardly. It is a way to escape problems at the expense of ones life. Finances, broken hearts, etc... these are *really* stupid reasons to kill oneself. They can be fixed. They are temporary. So yes, in these cases it is cowardly to kill oneself, as it deprives every single person who knew them of the chance to help them. It is cowardly because the person who is now dead does not have to deal with the consequences of their actions. If they die over finances, they pass that debt to someone else. If they do it over a broken heart, they broke countless more.

Depression and addiction are a bit different. In these cases I would generally not use the term cowardly, but that doesn't mean it isn't selfish. Even a depressed person or someone dealing with withdrawal is aware of the people it will affect. At some point they actively made the choice that death was a better option than life, despite how it will affect those around them.

I lost a good friend about 4 months ago. He had a 12 year old daughter and an 8 year old son. He loved them to death. He had a good job, a great house, a great wife. And then found himself drinking too much. He went to rehab for 3 months. 2 days after getting home he killed himself. Despite how much respect I had for him, it doesn't change the fact it angered me he would do that to his kids. He owed it to them to get through his issues. He owed it to his family as part of the contract you sign yourself up for when you choose to marry and have children. So yes, it was selfish for him to do that. Those kids grow up without a father now, because he was too focused on HIM HIM HIM. That is the very definition of selfish.

Now, sure, you can get into a world of what-ifs about this guy. Maybe he was terminal. Maybe he was mentally unstable. Maybe this, maybe that. It doesn't change the fact he chose to kill himself in a public place that is specifically geared towards families. That, without a doubt, is selfish. He either went in to that hotel knowing he planned to kill himself, or he got some crazy news while he was there that pushed him off the deep end.

If he went in knowing he was going to do it, then screw him. That is all about attention and selfish bullcrap.

If he decided to kill himself based on something that occurred while he was there, then I lean towards the coward side of things. I don't care what scenarios you hypothetically toss out there, you can not find one that I will say, "Oh ya, hurling himself off the contemporary in front of families was a justified reaction."

As someone that suffered through severe depression at one time, and tried suicide myself, this is an horrendous observation. Until you've been in the depths of severe depression you'll never understand it. I had no reason either, with loving parents, family and friends, but you don't see things in any sort of logical reference point. It's the worst feeling in the world, with the feeling of no way out, even being surrounded by love, and in my, case lots of medication.

I'm rather appalled at some of the posts on this. Someone was in such a state, that taking their life was the only option they felt feasible. And at Disney World. Possibly on vacation. It's horrendously sad. Not selfish.

 

[pigletto]

Only the truly ignorant choose to see mental illness as a character flaw. It is so shallow and ridiculous to think that a word like "coward" applies to faulty brain chemistry that I can't even get mad at those who would say it, as they are clearly completely uneducated about mental illness. What's appalling is that in this day and age, we still view mental illness as something that one could just wish away if they were brave enough.

Mindylee847, Please accept my sympathies for the loss of your father. It is tragic that he was unable to be helped with his disease and lost his life to it.

 

[TinkFan74]

Hi everybody,
I want to start off by saying that I am a Registered Psychiatric Nurse, I spend 12 hours a day assessing and treating those who are contemplating suicide, have been stopped while attempting suicide, and those who have made an attempt, but were unsuccessful. I was not going to comment on this thread as all things Disney are my escape from my real life,but I have been ruminating on this thread all day so I decided to post;
here is what I know:
40% of the population will at sometime in their life experience a depressive episode, this could last two weeks or a lifetime, but either way it is distressing and debilitating. More work hours are lost due to mental illness than to almost any other reason, clearly it is prevalent in our society.
In generations past, before the days of neuroscience, depression was seen as a character flaw or weakness as there was no other explanation as to why somebody would be perpetually sad and unable to function. Today we know that the biology and chemistry of the brain in someone with depression does not function at an optimal level, there is not a sufficient level of serotonin in the synaptic cleft, or the limbic system is damaged. When these things occur a person's sleep pattern is disrupted, they lose there appetite, have no energy or motivation, and experience anhedonia, very similar to many other illnesses. Unfortunately depression is an invisible illness, so many with depression do not get the same consideration as those with an illness like diabetes, or cardiac issues; you would never tell a diabetic that they are weak if they take insulin, or tell somebody with CHF that if they just tried harder they would get better; unfortunately old opinions still persist and often those with depression feel a lot of shame around their diagnosis, and don't come forward for help, and when depression is left untreated, people will often become despondent and consider suicide.
I can guarantee you that most who consider suicide are not being selfish, in fact almost everybody I have spoken too believes that they have become a burden to their family, and that they are unable to be good parents, so they think that to help their family they should kill themselves so that their family members can create a better life after they are gone. These thoughts seem ludicrous to those without depression, but when your thought processes are diminished due to changes in brain chemistry this line of thinking seems reasonable; the suicidal person believes that they are being selfless, not selfish.
I believe that the only way to change opinions about depression is through education and respectful discussion, demeaning and shaming those with depression or those who don't fully understand depression because the topic is still very taboo is not helpful. Let us all be good to each other, try to understand that until we have walked in the shoes of another we do not really know them, and lets try to not judge others by a paragraph they have written in a forum. Everybody's life has been difficult at some time, and I know that we all come to Disboards for support and escapism, not for ridicule.
Mindylee, I am so sorry for your loss, I cannot imagine what you are going through, my thoughts are with you.

 

[zaccaglin]

I can't believe this thread is still going.

 

[Shanti]

If it is indeed a suicide, what a coward to do that at Disney with the possibility of children seeing.

What a cruel thing to say about a person who obviously was enduring great suffering.

 

[kandb]

Hi everybody,
I want to start off by saying that I am a Registered Psychiatric Nurse, I spend 12 hours a day assessing and treating those who are contemplating suicide, have been stopped while attempting suicide, and those who have made an attempt, but were unsuccessful. I was not going to comment on this thread as all things Disney are my escape from my real life,but I have been ruminating on this thread all day so I decided to post;
here is what I know:
40% of the population will at sometime in their life experience a depressive episode, this could last two weeks or a lifetime, but either way it is distressing and debilitating. More work hours are lost due to mental illness than to almost any other reason, clearly it is prevalent in our society.
In generations past, before the days of neuroscience, depression was seen as a character flaw or weakness as there was no other explanation as to why somebody would be perpetually sad and unable to function. Today we know that the biology and chemistry of the brain in someone with depression does not function at an optimal level, there is not a sufficient level of serotonin in the synaptic cleft, or the limbic system is damaged. When these things occur a person's sleep pattern is disrupted, they lose there appetite, have no energy or motivation, and experience anhedonia, very similar to many other illnesses. Unfortunately depression is an invisible illness, so many with depression do not get the same consideration as those with an illness like diabetes, or cardiac issues; you would never tell a diabetic that they are weak if they take insulin, or tell somebody with CHF that if they just tried harder they would get better; unfortunately old opinions still persist and often those with depression feel a lot of shame around their diagnosis, and don't come forward for help, and when depression is left untreated, people will often become despondent and consider suicide.
I can guarantee you that most who consider suicide are not being selfish, in fact almost everybody I have spoken too believes that they have become a burden to their family, and that they are unable to be good parents, so they think that to help their family they should kill themselves so that their family members can create a better life after they are gone. These thoughts seem ludicrous to those without depression, but when your thought processes are diminished due to changes in brain chemistry this line of thinking seems reasonable; the suicidal person believes that they are being selfless, not selfish.
I believe that the only way to change opinions about depression is through education and respectful discussion, demeaning and shaming those with depression or those who don't fully understand depression because the topic is still very taboo is not helpful. Let us all be good to each other, try to understand that until we have walked in the shoes of another we do not really know them, and lets try to not judge others by a paragraph they have written in a forum. Everybody's life has been difficult at some time, and I know that we all come to Disboards for support and escapism, not for ridicule.
Mindylee, I am so sorry for your loss, I cannot imagine what you are going through, my thoughts are with you.

Thank you for your insight. Your patients are lucky to have someone who is compassionate and dedicated to helping others.

 

[TinkFan74]

Just remember, you are not him and


Thank you for your insight. Your patients are lucky to have someone who is compassionate and dedicated to helping other.

Thank you

 

[meggiemouse]

Some of these comments are terrible and ugly! Why hasn't this thread been put on lock down??

 

[rteetz]

This is a sad and unfortunate event that happens more at WDW than it should. I had warned once earlier and it seems that warning wasn't enough.