Harry Potter Complete Book Spoiler Thread

[snoopy]

I have been thinking this all along...that the liquid was the horcrux and not the locket.

I also thought this, and said so here: Potion = Horcrux?

We sure do hear a lot about potions vis a vis Snape for him not to have been intimately involved in a potion that's so important to the plot in the last couple chapters.

The only obstacle is that you can't imagine DD would have allowed Harry to navigate the last Horcruxes alone, although there's a lot of indication in this book that DD had more confidence in Harry's abilities...I thought DD was going to die as Harry was forced to pour the liquid down his throat. It was obvious he either knew or suspected he was going to meet his maker very soon.

BTW, did anyone else get a kick out of Snape's mother being named Eileen? In a world of Hermoines and Severuses, that just seemed such a normal sounding name. I laughed out loud when I read it.

 

[Daxx]

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Snape offers his right arm in order to perform the unbreakable vow. Next hing we know, Dumbledore shows up with a 'dead' right arm that never heals. We are talking about a world where Polyjuice (?) can be made. And we have a situation with one of the best wizards and a great potion master.

Oooh -- I never thought of the burned arm being b/c Dumbledore "paraded" as Snape via Polyjuice potion! Interesting theory!

 

[oogieboogie]

No, I don't think that AD = Snape and vice versa thru the Polyjuice potion. I think arm is dead because in order to destroy the ring horcrux, he had to wear the ring and absorb the poison/curse within it. The only reason it didn't kill him was because Snape was able to stop the spread of the curse thruout AD's body.

I honestly think AD is dead, however AD is a very powerful wizard and I'm sure he can do other things beyond the physical world. I'm sure he'll play a big part in book 7 by being Harry's guide, either thru his portraits (yes, plural) or thru chocolate frogs where his portrait also resides. He'll be there for Harry even though not in the physical sense.

And I still think that Sirius might be able to come back to guide Harry too. He'll be able to help Harry from behind the veil.

 

[Lessa of Pern]

what I think is truly amazing...there's enough material in that book to support a 41-page thread.

 

[ladycollector]

I was hoping that Dumbledore had created a Horcrux when he defeated Grindelwald, but I see that it has to be an act of evil, a pure evil murder for you soul to split in two. Not just defending yourself and the world from a dark wizard.

 

[WDW_DV]

And I still think that Sirius might be able to come back to guide Harry too. He'll be able to help Harry from behind the veil.

Do you suppose Sirius had the two way hand mirror with him when he went thru the veil? Maybe it would still work if Harry would only remember to dig out the other one and give it a try...

 

[andromedaslove]

Do you suppose Sirius had the two way hand mirror with him when he went thru the veil? Maybe it would still work if Harry would only remember to dig out the other one and give it a try...

He already did that in book 5 and there was no answer right?

 

[Sirius]

He already did that in book 5 and there was no answer right?

Harry did try, but Sirius didn't have the mirror with him when he went to the MoM.

 

[themelbob1190]

I think Sirius is gone for good, and Dumbledore is dead, but I think DUmbledore will still be able to help Harry through his portrait and other ways. I also think Harry will go back in time and visit the night where he got his scar at Godric's Hollow. I think he will get advice there from his parents.

 

[Amy]

I've been avoiding this thread until I finished the book, which I did tonight. Boy, was I crying at the end!!!

A couple of observations, and I apologize if these have already been mentioned; I haven't read thru the entire 41 pages of this thread.

- I kind of figured Dumbledore would die since Harry has to fight Voldemort to the death in the last book. Harry needs to do it on his own without Dumbledore to help him. But I still cried like a baby when he died!

- Dumbledore seemed to know so much about everybody; how was Snape able to fool him for so long? And if Dumbledore was wrong about Snape, maybe he was wrong about other stuff, too?

- Why didn't they ever say what happened to Dumbledore's black and shriveled hand?

- I can understand Harry breaking up with Ginny to protect her, but I certainly hope they get back together once Voldemort is dead. Harry deserves some happiness!

- Will Ron and Hermoine really help Harry in his quest to defeat Voldemort? I can understand it if Hogwarts does indeed close, but if Hogwarts stays open, it seems like Hermoine is the type who'd want to finish her education first.

Ok, now I'm going to read the rest of this thread.

When is book 7 coming out?????

 

[Sirius]

- Why didn't they ever say what happened to Dumbledore's black and shriveled hand?

I thought he mentioned it happening when he destroyed the Slytherin Ring/Horcrux?

 

[SueM in MN]

I thought he mentioned it happening when he destroyed the Slytherin Ring/Horcrux?

He didn't give any details - told Harry it was an exciting story that he would tell him about later.

 

[oogieboogie]

He didn't give any details - told Harry it was an exciting story that he would tell him about later.

Yes, but we can infer that he got the ring/horcrux and that it had a curse in it. We can also assume that in order to destroy the horcrux within the ring, AD had to wear the ring which let the poison/curse seep into his body. However, before it could spread any further, AD was able to get to Snape and Snape was able to brew an antidote for it.

As far as Sirius, I don't think he can come back physically.

I think in the final battle with Voldemort, when the 2 wands meet again, Harry's wand will somehow summon the remnants and memories of everyone who has ever died in the hands of Voldemort or anyone who's been a part of Harry's life. People like his parents, Sirius, Cedric, Dumbledore will come back as spirits and departed souls and give him the strength of love that is needed to defeat Voldemort.

Remember that according to Dumbledore - Love will conquer all - which I take it to mean that all the love that Harry feels for his parents, friends, godparent will multiply and increase. Add the love of his friends for him, his own love for Ginny and vice versa, all of these will be give power to Harry and by extension his wand and defeat Voldemort.

There's also the question of Fawkes... he's always been there for Harry. Where exactly did he disappear to? I have a feeling that he'll show up again for the final battle. After all, it is his tail feather that is in those 2 wands.

 

[WDW_DV]

He already did that in book 5 and there was no answer right?

Oh, sure. Go back and check the previous book - where's the fun in that?

 

[SueM in MN]

Yes, but we can infer that he got the ring/horcrux and that it had a curse in it. We can also assume that in order to destroy the horcrux within the ring, AD had to wear the ring which let the poison/curse seep into his body. However, before it could spread any further, AD was able to get to Snape and Snape was able to brew an antidote for it.

That's what I meant by the
DD pretty much said it was connected with the ring/horcrux somehow.

 

[Disney Dave]

I think the living Horcrux is in Harry, because Voldemort was killing his parents to create a Horcrux, I doubt he had enough time to put the horcrux into his pet snake Nagini. And the scar was left by the Horcrux. That's why Harry was able to think and see what Voldemort did. So in the end Harry will have to kill himself to destroy Voldemort completely.

 

[Galahad]

I think the living Horcrux is in Harry, because Voldemort was killing his parents to create a Horcrux, I doubt he had enough time to put the horcrux into his pet snake Nagini. And the scar was left by the Horcrux. That's why Harry was able to think and see what Voldemort did. So in the end Harry will have to kill himself to destroy Voldemort completely.

By all accounts, Rowling had the story arch in mind almost from the beginning. Also by all accounts, she began writing, in part, for her own children. I find it hard to believe that a mother would want to craft character based stories for her kids that encouraged an emotional investment in the main character and then kill him off in the end. In fact, though she would have already sold her millions of books, I can't imagine there wouldn't be a huge backlash by her fan base. Now it is true that a work of art is first and foremost the "property" of the artist, but it seems a really stupid thing to do for "posterity".

 

[themelbob1190]

I think the living Horcrux is in Harry, because Voldemort was killing his parents to create a Horcrux, I doubt he had enough time to put the horcrux into his pet snake Nagini. And the scar was left by the Horcrux. That's why Harry was able to think and see what Voldemort did. So in the end Harry will have to kill himself to destroy Voldemort completely.

I agree mostly... I think the scar is the Horcrux, but I also think that there is one in Nagini too. I think the scar is an accidental 8th Horcrux. I also think that Harry will have to destroy himself, in order to kill Voldemort completely.

 

[bethbuchall]

By all accounts, Rowling had the story arch in mind almost from the beginning. Also by all accounts, she began writing, in part, for her own children. I find it hard to believe that a mother would want to craft character based stories for her kids that encouraged an emotional investment in the main character and then kill him off in the end. In fact, though she would have already sold her millions of books, I can't imagine there wouldn't be a huge backlash by her fan base. Now it is true that a work of art is first and foremost the "property" of the artist, but it seems a really stupid thing to do for "posterity".

I agree with you on this. I also don't think that the publishing company would be happy with that kind of ending, and they do have some say in the books that they publish. How many people would get their children started on the series knowing that the main character dies in the last one? I think that ultimately sales would be affected.

 

[themelbob1190]

I agree with you on this. I also don't think that the publishing company would be happy with that kind of ending, and they do have some say in the books that they publish. How many people would get their children started on the series knowing that the main character dies in the last one? I think that ultimately sales would be affected.

yes, but there are soooo many people out there that are already reading the books. i don't think JKR is writing for sales, I think she's writing to make a point. Even though I can see her publishers getting mad in the end if Harry dies. I used to think her point was "Good prevails over evil" but I'm starting to think it's something more along the lines of "Sometimes we have to make sacrifices to destroy evil in this world." ......