Harry Potter Complete Book Spoiler Thread

[ophie]

If R.A.B. is Regulus, do you really think he destroyed the locket? I doubt it. I don't think he was capable. I mean, destroying the ring almost killed Dumbledore. I can't see Regulus being able to destroy it. So, if it is Regulus (which is still an if, obviously), then the locket is either still @ Grimmauld Place or Mundungus nicked it in his raid of the house.

 

[Dancind]

What's a shipper?

I know there's a pun in there somewhere, but it's basically a fan that wants two (usually fictional) characters to get together romantically. Like Luke and Lorelei on Gilmore Girls, or Sawyer and Kate on Lost. There were Hermione and Ron shippers, and Hermione and Harry shippers, and Harry and Ginny shippers. I told my DD the last one would happen!

 

[va32h]

hmmm...the pensive

The pensieve does not actually contain memories; it just allows one to view them. Remember, Dumbledore has to pull his memories out of his head (those long silvery strands) and put them in the pensieve to view.

So unless he left memories in there, it won't tell Harry anything.

I think it's rather sad that so many people (not necessarily here) think that Harry has to die when the series ends. Other fan sites are positively obsessed with every detail about the books, and I don't think they'll be happy unless every second of Harry's life (and every other characters') is accounted for!

 

[andromedaslove]

The pensieve does not actually contain memories; it just allows one to view them. Remember, Dumbledore has to pull his memories out of his head (those long silvery strands) and put them in the pensieve to view.

So unless he left memories in there, it won't tell Harry anything.

Okay, I am confused then. Why then in OotP was Harry able to view the memory of Barty Crouch Jr's trial while Dumbledore wasn't in the office?

 

[teacherforhi]

Okay, I am confused then. Why then in OotP was Harry able to view the memory of Barty Crouch Jr's trial while Dumbledore wasn't in the office?

I had to find my book before I answered. The trial is in GoF, not OotP. Dumbledore explains the Pensieve as such:

"I sometimes find, and I as sure you know the feeling, that I simply have too many thoughts and memories crammed into my mind."

"At these times, I use the Pensieve. One simply siphons the excess thoughts from one's mind, pours them into the basin, and examines them at one's leisure."

He then tells Harry that he had been using the Pensieve when Fudge arrived for a meeting and he put it away. He does demonstrate to Harry how he puts the memories in though.

 

[Dancind]

Ophie, thanks for the link! Really fun to read that interview. Please let us know when more is added.

Especially enjoyed JKR's story about going into a HP site chat room when she first found them on the internet, and being told that since she was new, she didn't know anything!

 

[kathyk2]

I finished reading HBP last night. I thought it was excellent. I believe Dumbledore is really dead. Whenever a character has died in any of the earlier books they have remained dead. I don't think Dumbledore would want all the people who loved him to grieve for nothing. I think Snape is a traitor and I don't think there is anything good about him.
I don't think Neville is strong enough or cunning enough to defeat Voldemort. Harry chose to be the one to defeat Voldemort prophesy or not. I think he will force Wormtail to help him in exchange for having spared his life in POA. I hope Ginny and Harry and Lupin and Tonks stay together. I'd like to see Harry leave Sirius' house to Lupin as a token of friendship that the three of them shared. I was so glad to see Dumbledore tell of the Dursley's that was a long time coming.

 

[angel's momma]

I know there's a pun in there somewhere, but it's basically a fan that wants two (usually fictional) characters to get together romantically. Like Luke and Lorelei on Gilmore Girls, or Sawyer and Kate on Lost. There were Hermione and Ron shippers, and Hermione and Harry shippers, and Harry and Ginny shippers. I told my DD the last one would happen!

Just adding that the term comes from relationship.

 

[andromedaslove]

I had to find my book before I answered. The trial is in GoF, not OotP. Dumbledore explains the Pensieve as such:

"I sometimes find, and I as sure you know the feeling, that I simply have too many thoughts and memories crammed into my mind."

"At these times, I use the Pensieve. One simply siphons the excess thoughts from one's mind, pours them into the basin, and examines them at one's leisure."

He then tells Harry that he had been using the Pensieve when Fudge arrived for a meeting and he put it away. He does demonstrate to Harry how he puts the memories in though.

Sorry about that, I don't have my books so couldn't actually check before I posted. I loaned them to my Mom. I guess I thought it was OotP because that was the book where Barty Crouch Jr. came into the story. right? Anyway, I guess my point is the same though. He could have quite a few memories stored in there, maybe more than he had before? Maybe something that would help Harry later, again just an idea.

On a side note, in HBP after DD dies, does the book actually say that DD was already in a picture in the office? I don't remember reading that part, but I do tend to speed read by skipping over words here and there.

Dana

 

[shmoogrrrl]

Things I would love to see in Book seven:

1. Neville kills Bellatrix. A LOT. Payback for his parents.

2. Percy Weasly came back to his parents after GOF and has been pretending to be with the Ministry to keep an eye on the Ministry bigwigs for the Order (but I amnot holding my breath for this one!)

3. Snape (who is good in my world) kills an escaped Lucius Malfoy while saving Draco. (If we are going for the soap opera version, he should hook up with Narcissa Malfoy and help raise Draco)

4. A great big kiss for Ron and Hermione.

5. Harry lives and he and Ginny get back together.

6. Kreatcher is freed.

7. Harry gets the DADA job at Hogwarts.

8. We finally find out what the heck Harry's parents did for a living. You'd think they were Aurors, right? The problem is that they have way too much money for Government work and if it wassomething simple like that, it would already have been mentioned.

9. We also find out why Voldermort, who loved killing, killed James then told Lily that she didn't have to die if she stepped aside. Maybe she was a Death Eater too? Okay....Not likely!

10. Lots more involvement by Luna Lovegood (I *Heart* her so much!) and Neville (I *Heart* him too!)

11. An announcement from JKRowling that she is going to write a series of books based on Harry's parents and their friends time at Hogwarts and after while fighting Voldermort the first time. (Not holding my breath for this either).

 

[debloco]

On a side note, in HBP after DD dies, does the book actually say that DD was already in a picture in the office? I don't remember reading that part, but I do tend to speed read by skipping over words here and there.

Dana

Yes, it does. The part where McGonagall takes Harry up to (what used to be) DD's office to speak with him before the Minister of Magic arrives. It says she only looks at the portrait of DD briefly, presumably due to her grief.
I just finished the book earlier tonight, and I must say that while DD's death was not unexpected, it still had me crying.

 

[teacherforhi]

Sorry about that, I don't have my books so couldn't actually check before I posted. I loaned them to my Mom. I guess I thought it was OotP because that was the book where Barty Crouch Jr. came into the story. right? Anyway, I guess my point is the same though. He could have quite a few memories stored in there, maybe more than he had before? Maybe something that would help Harry later, again just an idea.

On a side note, in HBP after DD dies, does the book actually say that DD was already in a picture in the office? I don't remember reading that part, but I do tend to speed read by skipping over words here and there.

Dana

I don't think that the memories stay in the Pensieve. Dumbledore just puts them there to look for connections for things. I don't have my copy of HBP here, but I do know that he has other people's memories too. I believe those are kept in bottles. That doesn't mean that he can't have left something behind, but it seemed as if he had already shown Harry all he knew, which is why it was so important that Harry get the true memory about the horcruxes from Slughorn.

Barty was impersonating Mad Eye Moody in GoF. He was 'kissed' by a dementor at the end.

Harry sees Dumbledore's portrait in the office when McGonagall takes him to the office so that he can tell his side of what happened.

 

[Desiree]

I'd like to think that Sirius is still alive and that he's just been using his brother's name (since he's still a wanted man), R.A.B.

One can hope right!!??

 

[phillybeth]

I had a very interesting middle-of-the-night thought (and don't ask why I was awake and thinking of HP in the middle of the night!)- Ron and Hermione- and to a certain extent Neville, Luna, and Ginny- are Harry's Horcruxes (and vice versa).
Many primitive cultures believe that when you save someone's life you exchange parts of your soul with them. Perhaps this is where Harry's ability to love comes in? He loves his friends, saves their lives repeatedly (and they his as well), and therefore his soul is divided- not by evil murder as Voldemort has done on purpose, but out of love and concern for his friends.

 

[phillybeth]

9. We also find out why Voldermort, who loved killing, killed James then told Lily that she didn't have to die if she stepped aside. Maybe she was a Death Eater too? Okay....Not likely!

I think Voldemort 'promised' Lily to Snape in return for the information that Snape gave. That is why he gave her so many chances to step aside and not be killed. She was to be Snape's reward.

 

[Florida_luvr924]

Things I would love to see in Book seven:

1. Neville kills Bellatrix. A LOT. Payback for his parents.


4. A great big kiss for Ron and Hermione.

5. Harry lives and he and Ginny get back together.


8. We finally find out what the heck Harry's parents did for a living. You'd think they were Aurors, right? The problem is that they have way too much money for Government work and if it wassomething simple like that, it would already have been mentioned.

9. We also find out why Voldermort, who loved killing, killed James then told Lily that she didn't have to die if she stepped aside. Maybe she was a Death Eater too? Okay....Not likely!

10. Lots more involvement by Luna Lovegood (I *Heart* her so much!) and Neville (I *Heart* him too!)

11. An announcement from JKRowling that she is going to write a series of books based on Harry's parents and their friends time at Hogwarts and after while fighting Voldermort the first time. (Not holding my breath for this either).

I was thinking about all those things when I was reading the book. I read an interview that was posted on this site and she said that book seven is definetly it, but she would maybe write like an encyclopedia on the world of Harry Potter.

 

[Disney Debbie]

I know there's a pun in there somewhere, but it's basically a fan that wants two (usually fictional) characters to get together romantically. Like Luke and Lorelei on Gilmore Girls, or Sawyer and Kate on Lost. There were Hermione and Ron shippers, and Hermione and Harry shippers, and Harry and Ginny shippers. I told my DD the last one would happen!

Just adding that the term comes from relationship.

Thanks! I'd never heard of that term!


I think the pensieve can definitely store memories. Until this book they hadn't been stored in bottles. The ones in bottles were the ones he got from someone else. He didn't put them back in the bottles once they were done.

Harry & McGonagall see the portrait in the office and it says that he was sleeping so it's definitely there.

 

[shmoogrrrl]

I had a very interesting middle-of-the-night thought (and don't ask why I was awake and thinking of HP in the middle of the night!)- Ron and Hermione- and to a certain extent Neville, Luna, and Ginny- are Harry's Horcruxes (and vice versa).
Many primitive cultures believe that when you save someone's life you exchange parts of your soul with them. Perhaps this is where Harry's ability to love comes in? He loves his friends, saves their lives repeatedly (and they his as well), and therefore his soul is divided- not by evil murder as Voldemort has done on purpose, but out of love and concern for his friends.

I LOVE this idea!

 

[shmoogrrrl]

I think Voldemort 'promised' Lily to Snape in return for the information that Snape gave. That is why he gave her so many chances to step aside and not be killed. She was to be Snape's reward.

That could be! It would explain why Snape turned on Voldermort since he killed her anyway. I'm sure he could have done a freezing spell or something on her and just killed Harry, if he wanted to.

 

[shmoogrrrl]

I was thinking about all those things when I was reading the book. I read an interview that was posted on this site and she said that book seven is definetly it, but she would maybe write like an encyclopedia on the world of Harry Potter.

You know, the problem I think she might have is that people are so in love with the world of Magic that she has created that she is going to have to get really lucky to come up with another book that they will actually want to read. She might change her mind if other books bomb.

Then again, she has more money than God so she might just stop writing altogether.

Maybe there will be lots of books based on the world like the Star Wars books!