Harry Potter Book 7 *SPOILERS*

[tigger536]

Not sure why the crown didn't.

The crown could have had a jinx on it, but since it was destroyed with the fire (and no one had to put such a curse to the test by throwing spells at it) we will never know.

Oh...and I would have liked to know how James went from being "an arrogant toerag" in his 5th year at Hogwarts to Lily's husband not long after that. I think that would be interesting.

I think the toerag comment shows the attraction - typical adolescent stuff - I like him so I’m gonna pretend I don’t kind of thing. Also she was probably not ready to admit it to herself yet. And sparing Snape’s feelings.

A thought that occurred to me last night: Remember the scene in HBP where Harry is stunned by Draco on the train and Tonks finds him? Tonks sends her Patronus to the school to alert Hagrid, but instead Snape sees it. He then tells Tonks her Patronus is "weak".We find out later her Patronus is a wolf, for Lupin. How interesting that Snape's is a doe for Lily, and far from weak. I dunno...just was interesting to me.

I thought it was a dog, for Sirius, and Snape is saying it is weak because of his hatred for Sirius. Correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[Ariel Wanna-be]

I thought Xenophilius's name was soooo appropriate!!

 

[GlendaO]

I thought Xenophilius's name was soooo appropriate!!

So true -- he's definitely one strange lovin' guy!!

I've always enjoyed the apt naming that goes in HP!

 

[JoyG]

Has anyone asked what was the point of Dumbledore leaving Hermione the book of children's stories if it was not to go chasing after the Deathly Hollows? Did he really just single her out b/c he liked her more than all of the hundreds of other students he worked with at Hogwarts?

I see how Ron's light came in handy to find Harry again after they were separated, but what about Hermione's book?

 

[AC7179]

So.......did Dumbledore actually think that Harry would have to die to get rid of the Horcrux when he was telling that to Snape? Or did he know all along that Harry offering himself would just kill the Horcrux?

 

[tubachick]

Last I remember of Neville's Gran, she was heading out of the Room of Requirement to join the fight.

SHE LIVED. I went back, she over took the two death eaters that came to the house, I thought that since Neville was living in the room of rec that she had died. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Scornelius]

I thought it was a dog, for Sirius, and Snape is saying it is weak because of his hatred for Sirius. Correct me if I’m wrong.

No, I'm pretty sure it was a wolf. I know it was later on in the book, and I would assume it didn't change. When Snape made that comment, I believe the book was still hinting that Tonks was all melancholy over Sirius, when in fact she was lovesick over Lupin. I think. Maybe.

 

[Plantlady]

Has anyone asked what was the point of Dumbledore leaving Hermione the book of children's stories if it was not to go chasing after the Deathly Hollows? Did he really just single her out b/c he liked her more than all of the hundreds of other students he worked with at Hogwarts?

I see how Ron's light came in handy to find Harry again after they were separated, but what about Hermione's book?

I think he left her the book to lead her to the deathly hallows. She said that that symbol was hand drawn.

She had also never heard that story, before reading the book.

I think Dumbledore wanted Harry to know about the Deathly Hallows, but didn't want him to obsess over them, as he himself admitted he had done.

 

[Ariel Wanna-be]

So.......did Dumbledore actually think that Harry would have to die to get rid of the Horcrux when he was telling that to Snape? Or did he know all along that Harry offering himself would just kill the Horcrux?

I *think* he knew all along, since he got a "triumphant gleam" in his eyes when Harry told him that V had taken his blood.

But can I tell you, I was soooo PISSED at Dumbledore when he was telling Snape what Harry would have to do. (This was before we learned that Harry wouldn't really die.) When Snape said something like "so you've just been grooming him like a pig to be slaughtered" I was shouting out "EXACTLY!!!"

 

[MyGoofy26]

So.......did Dumbledore actually think that Harry would have to die to get rid of the Horcrux when he was telling that to Snape? Or did he know all along that Harry offering himself would just kill the Horcrux?

I need to pry back my copy of the book so I can go back and reread that section so I can remember WHY I thought this. . . but there was something when reading that gave me the understanding that in order for this to work, Harry had to believe he was sacrificing himself. Dumbledore knew he'd survive, but Harry couldn't know this - he had to give himself willingly to death.

But I can't remember what in the story made me think that, LOL.

 

[ivanova]

Has anyone asked what was the point of Dumbledore leaving Hermione the book of children's stories if it was not to go chasing after the Deathly Hollows? Did he really just single her out b/c he liked her more than all of the hundreds of other students he worked with at Hogwarts?

I see how Ron's light came in handy to find Harry again after they were separated, but what about Hermione's book?

They needed to learn about the Hallows, specifically the wand, so that Harry would fully understand the wand and eventually figure out how it was his rightfully (via Draco) and not Voldemort's (via Snape).

I need to pry back my copy of the book so I can go back and reread that section so I can remember WHY I thought this. . . but there was something when reading that gave me the understanding that in order for this to work, Harry had to believe he was sacrificing himself. Dumbledore knew he'd survive, but Harry couldn't know this - he had to give himself willingly to death.

But I can't remember what in the story made me think that, LOL.

Agreed. I think Dumbledore intended for Snape to tell Harry he had to die to defeat Voldemort (which Snape did via his memories). Harry had to give himself willingly to protect his friends, thus protecting them with that whole love is most powerful magic stuff. He had to believe his death was unavoidable.

 

[skuttle]

No, I'm pretty sure it was a wolf. I know it was later on in the book, and I would assume it didn't change. When Snape made that comment, I believe the book was still hinting that Tonks was all melancholy over Sirius, when in fact she was lovesick over Lupin. I think. Maybe.

This is correct. I was a wolf. Harry kept thinking it was a dog for Sirius...he thought she was sad over Sirius dying. Later in the book, when they find out that she was really in love with Lupin, it dawns on Harry that her patronus was a wolf and NOT a dog.

 

[ivanova]

So.......did Dumbledore actually think that Harry would have to die to get rid of the Horcrux when he was telling that to Snape? Or did he know all along that Harry offering himself would just kill the Horcrux?

I don't think offering himself alone killed it....I think Voldemort killed it within him.

 

[handicap18]

Mr Weasley got the reprieve is what I believe I saw on the transcript of the interview JK did on the Today show.

Am I missing something on Valdemort being a Horcrux? I don't recall it saying that anywhere in the series, though its been a while since I read some of the books, but since Valdemort was now alive he couldn't carry his own Horcrux or could he?

One thing that I'm lost on is the Elder Wand. There is no mention of how it got back to Dumbledore in his tomb. Last we read, Draco had "Expelliarmus"'d it from him in the Tower. I guess another professor found it and placed it with his body or was it not found and the wand with Dumbledore in his tomb was his original wand, but that couldn't be it either because Harry fixed his own wand with it. Oh well, it worked out in the end. Voldemort killed himself because the Elder Wand would not be able to kill its true master. Worked twice for Harry and Voldemort not only killed himself, but his last and 7th Horcrux with it. Evil fool.

I spend some time on another fan site and it amazed me how many people didn't realize that once Harry walked into the Forest, there was no possible way he could die. Once he opened the snitch he became the true owner of all 3 Hallow's, though it took him a while to realize that he was the true owner of the Elder Wand.

Loved the book and LOVE the series. In the last book Doby's death was the hardest. Fred's probably would have been, but I found a spoiler on that so it wasn't as bad as it could have been for me. Fred & George were a GREAT set of characters.

JK did an outstanding job of getting this story together. This is how a series should be written. She had everything mapped out and outlined of how she wanted things to work out. Writing the actual books was just putting in the finishing touches. I love how all the books are so intertwined and you can't read one without the other. AWESOME!!

I can't wait for her Encyclopedia to come out to tell us more about what happened to many characters before we were introduced to them and what happens in the 19 years before the last chapter and then beyond. Apparently she originally intended Dean Thomas to have a much larger part in the series but couldn't fit it all in. Things like that and more to come. Sign me up!!!

 

[snowy76]

Am I missing something on Valdemort being a Horcrux? I don't recall it saying that anywhere in the series, though its been a while since I read some of the books, but since Valdemort was now alive he couldn't carry his own Horcrux or could he?

Harry was the 7th Horcrux, not V. But V still had a tiny part of his own soul in himself. I think that's where some people are thinking he was a Horcrux. By definition though, a Horcrux has to be another object (or in Harry's case, another person) that is a vessel for a portion of a person's soul.

 

[handicap18]

Harry was the 7th Horcrux, not V. But V still had a tiny part of his own soul in himself. I think that's where some people are thinking he was a Horcrux. By definition though, a Horcrux has to be another object (or in Harry's case, another person) that is a vessel for a portion of a person's soul.

Thats what I thought. Thanks

 

[ivanova]

I spend some time on another fan site and it amazed me how many people didn't realize that once Harry walked into the Forest, there was no possible way he could die. Once he opened the snitch he became the true owner of all 3 Hallow's, though it took him a while to realize that he was the true owner of the Elder Wand.

Well Holy Hannah!! Count me as one of those that didn't make the connection!!

Of course Dumbledore possessed all 3, but never all at once ... he's had the Elder Wand throughout the books, and had the invisibility cloak until giving it back to Harry in the 1st book ... and then in OOTP he had the wand and the ring together. Had he "borrowed" the cloak back from Harry in HBP he could've thwarted death then himself.

 

[poohbear919]

I love that Snape's true colours we shown, but only because I wanted Dumbeldore's instincts to be vindicated. I couldn't handle the idea of him having been swindled by a double-crossing Snape! It breaks my heart, though, to see the life Snape lived. I just want to hug him and pat his greasy little head. The scene where Snape revealed his patronus to Dumbledore was also very moving. It's amazing how much emotion can be in one word: 'Always'.

I loved this whole section too - it made me start crying and I had to stop reading because I couldn't see the words on the page! I, for one, can't wait to see Alan Rickman act the c**p out of this scene in the final movie... I'll like a baby then too, I'm sure!

 

[handicap18]

I'm re-reading Chapter 23 in HBP "Horcruxes". Just in the first few pages I can not possibly see how so many people believed that Voldermort was one of the Horcruxes. It plainly states that a Horcrux is hidden in an object outside the body.

I'm not saying anyone here said or believed that at one time. I've seen it on a few other sites, but its almost impossible to get on those sites right now, so I'm just speaking outloud here.

I need to research how it was that Voldemort came back to a body. I just don't recall some of the previous books right now. I think its at the beginning of GoF. Did he use a Horcrux? I can't remember right now.

I'm just trying to piece everything together myself.

 

[crzyred]

I loved this whole section too - it made me start crying and I had to stop reading because I couldn't see the words on the page! I, for one, can't wait to see Alan Rickman act the c**p out of this scene in the final movie... I'll like a baby then too, I'm sure!

me too!! of course, while reading this final book it really made me wonder what they will cut out of it in the movie.