Harry Potter Book 7 *SPOILERS*

[BoyLovesBuzz]

The time turners were all destroyed. In HBP when they went to the Department of Mysteries, the room with the bell jar and the butterfly was the room that contained the time turners. I think when they destroyed the bell jar, they destroyed this magic for the time being. Hermione even mentions it, saying something to the effect of "too bad we destroyed them last year..." (not exact quote)

The Patronus being able to send messages is too far advanced for Harry. It is said that this magic hasn't been achieved by Harry. The whole wizarding world didn't really know he could perform such a great Patronus until HBP so that's probably why no teachers taught him the message version, although the Order could have.

Ohh, I see, they maybe didn't destroy all the time turners, but maybe the mother ship that made them all work. That I can buy.

 

[teacherforhi]

I do remember the minstry stock of time turners being destroyed, but come on, this is the wizard world.

I need to read CoS again, becuase I thought that polyjuice potion was a big deal, really rare, and not often used, and only lasted an hour. By book 7 its like pumpkin juice. I will admit that the movies and the books are morphing in my mind, so I may have that intial thought about polyjuice all wrong.

After the speech that Hermione gave in Prisoner of Azkaban about all the laws governing time travel, I just assumed that they wouldn't make any more. I just had a vision in my head of a stockpile that the Ministry confiscated after all the trouble they caused and once they're gone, they're gone.

In Chamber of Secrets, Polyjuice Potion is a big deal for a group of 2nd year students. Hermione says it's the most complicated potion she's ever seen. However, in Book 6, Slughorn keeps a kettle of it in his classroom. So I don't think it's rare, just hard to make.

 

[tigger536]

I believe it was Ron who got the reprieve. He was severely injured when he "spilched" (or however you spell it) himself escaping from the ministry of magic. He was near death and Hermione nursed him back. This is my first guess, my second would be Hagrid, because we see him getting carried away by the giant spiders and he lokos like a goner.

As for Mrs. Weasley's "B" line...I think that it totally fit the situation. It showed how ngry she was (since this language IS out of character for her) and then it showed her channeling that anger it to avenging her family. Besides, what was she supposed to use...she couldn't call her "Witch"...that's not an insult.

 

[MerryPoppins]

Did Hermione give back her time turner?

As far as knowing what happens in the books before you read them...I'm a poster child for that. I usually hate a movie if I've read the book first, so I vowed to wait to read the books until after I'd seen the movies.

That worked out until I went to see Goblet of Fire. DH and the kids answered questions for at least 30 minutes after that movie. They left out so much that I was very confused. I even asked why DD was pulling cotton candy out of his ear and putting it in a bowl. That's what it looked like to me and they didn't really explain it if you hadn't read the book.

I decided that to enjoy the rest of the movies, I better read the series first. However, I already knew that Sirius would die in OotF and DD would die in HBP because my daughter tends to give spoilers away when she sobs over a death in a book.

All this to say this was the first HP book that I didn't either know the plot from seeing the movie or at least know the outcome of the story. I enjoyed it more since I didn't know in advance, but the others weren't ruined for me.

Having said that, I made sure I was the first one to finish this one, so my daughter wouldn't give the outcome away.

 

[disneyfav4ever]

Did Hermione give back her time turner?

As far as knowing what happens in the books before you read them...I'm a poster child for that. I usually hate a movie if I've read the book first, so I vowed to wait to read the books until after I'd seen the movies.

That worked out until I went to see Goblet of Fire. DH and the kids answered questions for at least 30 minutes after that movie. They left out so much that I was very confused. I even asked why DD was pulling cotton candy out of his ear and putting it in a bowl. That's what it looked like to me and they didn't really explain it if you hadn't read the book.

I decided that to enjoy the rest of the movies, I better read the series first. However, I already knew that Sirius would die in OotF and DD would die in HBP because my daughter tends to give spoilers away when she sobs over a death in a book.

All this to say this was the first HP book that I didn't either know the plot from seeing the movie or at least know the outcome of the story. I enjoyed it more since I didn't know in advance, but the others weren't ruined for me.

Having said that, I made sure I was the first one to finish this one, so my daughter wouldn't give the outcome away.

I tend to unintentionally give spoilers away to. My mom reads the books, but she takes forever to get around to them. She is just now reading Half-Blood Prince. Anyway, my mom knows that Hedwig dies, since I got hysterical when that happened. And then the other night we were watching Chamber of Secrets, and we were talking about Dobby, and now she knows he dies, as well as Fred.

 

[Ariel Wanna-be]

I believe it was Ron who got the reprieve. He was severely injured when he "spilched" (or however you spell it) himself escaping from the ministry of magic. He was near death and Hermione nursed him back. This is my first guess, my second would be Hagrid, because we see him getting carried away by the giant spiders and he lokos like a goner.

It was Arthur Weasley.

 

[Sirius]

I believe it was Ron who got the reprieve. He was severely injured when he "spilched" (or however you spell it) himself escaping from the ministry of magic. He was near death and Hermione nursed him back. This is my first guess, my second would be Hagrid, because we see him getting carried away by the giant spiders and he lokos like a goner.

According to the interview from JKRowling on MSNBC (link posted in an earlier post), it was Mr. Weasley who got the reprieve.

 

[WaltD4Me]

As to the Polyjuice potion, I thought it was overused in book 7 myself and it was defintiely stated in Chamber of Secrets that it took a month to make and the effects only lasted an hour.

After they made seven Harrys to escape from Privet Drive, nobody on Voldemort's team was looking out for them to use it again? I thought Hermoine was going to be busted for sure meeting up with Travers in Diagon Alley.

 

[Ragnrok23]

Ok- finished reading the book last night, just finished reading all 37 pages.......

. I agree that there is a big difference between Harry, Voldemort, and Teddy -- that Teddy would grow up loved. Also, Remus making Harry Teddy's godfather gave me the first big clue that Harry would live (although oddly, it didn't tip me off that Remus and Tonks were done for -- willful blindness I suppose). I also see a BIG difference between Lupin wanting to go off with them at Grimmauld Place and going into battle at the end. Harry -- correctly -- I think saw Lupin's desire to accompany them, not as a noble protective gesture, but as an effort to avoid the responsibility and anxiety of bringing his child into the world, especially that world. At the end, Lupin was going into battle to give Teddy a world in which he could safely grow up and not be hunted. The difference might be subtle, but I think it was Lupin's motive for action that Harry was questioning and chiding Lupin for, not the action itself.

I totally agree

Here is a question. Why have seven Harry's, and not just change Harry into someone else? I first thought it was becuase of underaged magic, but they all took the potion right there on Privat Drive anyway.

exactly- Harry was the only one that was still underaged, so he couldn't perform magic himself

I also thought Ron suddenly being able to speak parseltongue was kinda lame.

As others have stated, he just was able to mimic sounds that Harry said, and got close enough

I didn't think about it before someone mentioned it a couple pages back, but it would have been great for Snape to be amoung the potraits of HeadMaster's in Dumbledore's office. Now I'm really disappointed that he wasn't. He should have been.

I'm curious...did you really think Harry was gone for good in the forest? I read some people were really upset, but that scene didn't even phase me, I knew he'd be back.

I had just assumed that no one had been able to put up a new potrait. If I remember correctly, DD wasn't up until after the funeral?

and WHY oh WHY wasn't there a scene where Delores Umbridge got what was coming to her????

She really confused me. I never saw her as "evil" before this book. just a nieve women (who I admit was VERY mean)

A couple of more things that bothered me, was the way JKR just invents or forgets things. For example

Time Turners that was used in POA. How handy would one of those have been during all of this. But as soon as people started dying, those no longer existed.

Patronus. What is up with being able to send a message with your patronus. I know Tonks did it in HBP, but how handy would that have been in OOTP, when Harry was rushing to the ministry. Maybe that is suppose to be new technology or something. The wizarding world version of the iPhone.

After POA- I thought that the ministry destroyed them all (I see some people said they were destroyed at the end of OOTP- so maybe the ministry just took them all and band them?)

 

[WaltD4Me]

Patronus. What is up with being able to send a message with your patronus. I know Tonks did it in HBP, but how handy would that have been in OOTP, when Harry was rushing to the ministry. Maybe that is suppose to be new technology or something. The wizarding world version of the iPhone.

I wondered about this too....the Patronus Messages and also, when teaching the DA, Harry made a big point of telling everyone they really had to concentrate to maintain their Patronus and once their concentration broke the Patronus would fade. I guess it could be advanced magic, but Delores Umbridge wasn't concentrating on her Patronus (the cat) in the interogation room.

 

[JenM]

Did Hermione give back her time turner?

Yes, at the end of POA she said she would be giving it back to McGonagall and just go back to a regular school schedule.

I thought the same thing about the Polyjuice Potion, but then again Barty Crouch Jr was just swigging it out of his own flask for nearly all of Goblet of Fire, and Snape immediately assumed that's what the ingredients stolen from his office were being used for. I guess it's a common potion, especially for people in their line of work (Aurors, Death Eaters, etc).

The only thing I kept thinking about was how much time they spent in disguise from it--which means in the movie you won't be seeing Daniel, Emma, and Rupert in some really cool scenes because they'll need doubles. I'm willing to bet the potion has somehow worn off when they visit Godric's Hollow to let Daniel do the scene at his parents' grave.

 

[Scornelius]

I'm so glad I found this thread! Everyone I know is 'savouring' the book and taking forever to finish!

I've never come across a book that made me cry quite as much as this one. I truly bawled at points. Dobby's death hit me pretty hard. He was just such a devoted little elf. The whole funeral scene just wrecked me.

I love that Snape's true colours we shown, but only because I wanted Dumbeldore's instincts to be vindicated. I couldn't handle the idea of him having been swindled by a double-crossing Snape! It breaks my heart, though, to see the life Snape lived. I just want to hug him and pat his greasy little head. The scene where Snape revealed his patronus to Dumbledore was also very moving. It's amazing how much emotion can be in one word: 'Always'.

Love love LOVE Molly's infamous battle cry! I burst out laughing when I read it. I think it was perfect. With a husband so interested in the lives of muggles, it's completely plausible that she would know the word and it's most simple meaning: bad bad woman. (Come on ladies, haven't we all picked up a little of our husbands' vernacular from work, as generally inapplicable to our lives as it may be?) By 'losing control' and using that word I think it showed us though she was a powerful witch, a member of the OOP, and a freedom fighter, it was all trumped by her love for her children and strong momma bear instincts. I thought it really humanized her, and I felt that tied in well with Kingsley's comments on Potterwatch.

Cried like a baby when Neville stood up to Voldemort. I seriously thought he was about to shuffle off this mortal coil, and I couldn't handle that. He's always had a special place in my heart.

Fred, dear sweet Fred. How I will miss your shennanigans. Life wont be the same, knowing you've gone to that big joke shop in the sky. Prank on, dear Weasley, prank on.

I'm so glad someone posted the article about JKR writing the encyclopedia! How exciting is that! I know she's earned a nice break, but I hope she doesn't stay away for too long! All in all, I loved the book more than I thought I would. I don't care that the epilogue was 'cheesy', after all the death and violence I needed a syrup-y dose of happiness. Thought the Potter kids' names were great. And Teddy and Victoire! How sweet! I hadn't picked up on them both being part-werewolves, I think that's great attention to detail.

Now I can't wait to go back and read every book, in order. I think knowing the final details will really bring a whole new angle to the old stories!

 

[ivanova]

I had just assumed that no one had been able to put up a new potrait. If I remember correctly, DD wasn't up until after the funeral?

DD's portrait was in the office immediately ... when Harry went with McGonagall to her new office (DD's office) his portrait was already there, before the funeral.

 

[ivanova]

And Teddy and Victoire! How sweet! I hadn't picked up on them both being part-werewolves, I think that's great attention to detail.

I don't think Victorie is part werewolf ... Bill never became a werewolf, he was injured by Greyback but not while he was a werewolf ... because Bill was injured by Dark Magic he couldn't be totally healed (like George's ear couldn't be grown back).

 

[Scornelius]

I don't think Victorie is part werewolf ... Bill never became a werewolf, he was injured by Greyback but not while he was a werewolf ... because Bill was injured by Dark Magic he couldn't be totally healed (like George's ear couldn't be grown back).

True, and this is exactly why I didn't pick up on it at first. However, Bill certainly took on some werewolf tendancies, such as eating his meat raw (or near raw), so I'm willing to buy that there's maybe a smidge of werewolf in Victoire.

 

[BostonTink85]

I'm wondering if the encyclopedia will just go up to the "19 Years Later" or if it will go on past that - ie. how their kids go through school, the houses they're in etc. I hope so I'd like to hear how everyone ends up in the end. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[december]

I knew I'd read it, but just went back and look it up. The polyjuice potion they were using throughout the book was stolen by Hermione. On p. 96 she says she smuggled Mad-Eye's whole stock right out from under Ron's mum's nose. So it's not like they were whipping it up in the woods. I'm sure the aurors all kept a stash around.

 

[Accentuate+]

True, and this is exactly why I didn't pick up on it at first. However, Bill certainly took on some werewolf tendancies, such as eating his meat raw (or near raw), so I'm willing to buy that there's maybe a smidge of werewolf in Victoire.

Talk about an interesting mix, the child of Teddy and Victoire would be part werewolf, part metamorphmagus, part veela. So, a devastatingly attractive werewolf that changes colors at will.

 

[wendy46001]

Talk about an interesting mix, the child of Teddy and Victoire would be part werewolf, part metamorphmagus, part veela. So, a devastatingly attractive werewolf that changes colors at will.

That character sounds like he/she needs a book of their own

 

[Scornelius]

Talk about an interesting mix, the child of Teddy and Victoire would be part werewolf, part metamorphmagus, part veela. So, a devastatingly attractive werewolf that changes colors at will.

Fantastic!!